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[Wabbit_Slayer]

Just intresting why the kv1-s have a gun with 175 pen and 390 dmg on tier 6 . It seems to me when you get into tier 6 matches (are tier 4 btw you always look how many kv1-s you have on your side or how many the enemys have. Sure it not always the case you lose but certainly a competent kv1-s driver seems to have a oppurtunity to have a massive impact on every match that i feel many other tier 6 tankt are not even close to have .So is the 120 mm historical accurate or why did they feel the need to  give a kv1-is the gun of doom and whats the downside with driving the kv1-s?. Btw this is no whine thread im just curios.

[Lord_WC]

Wabbit_Slayer, on 14 October 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

a competent kv1-s driver seems to have a oppurtunity to have a massive impact on every match

A competent driver picks some other tank that actually can influence the game, not that pile of crap.

KV-1S is only good for total idiots who can only shoot twice per match before getting raped - because it's more damage with a high alpha gun.

[Achibot]

They claim it's historically accurate, hence the reluctance (on SerB's part) to remove it. The downsides to the KV-1S are a lack or armour, long reload time, poor accuracy and long aim time.

[BattleMetalChris]

In before 'it's getting a nerf soon'.
The main drawback is the huge reload time. Use cover to get close and as soon as they've fired you can can usually get two shots off before they reload, or get round behind them where they're helpless.

Edited by BattleMetalChris, 14 October 2013 - 05:17 PM.

[wims80]

The 122mm on the KV-1S has really significant drawbacks as well, the aimtime, the accuracy and the rate of fire is the worst of any tier 6 tanks. The alpha damage is the only thing good about it tbh. It's a very unreliable gun.

[Schmeksiman]

A competent driver will know how to easily counter a KV-1S.

[playre_eu]

a Good player in KV1s will never see T6 games.

I'm constantly bottom tier in every match I play with it.
Watch as your 175mm gun bounces off a tigers front, or T29's cupola :)
And against T8 heavies you actually need to use premo anyway.

if you can't manage 2K dmg in these games playing support GTFO.

[Wabbit_Slayer]

Lord_WC, on 14 October 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

A competent driver picks some other tank that actually can influence the game, not that pile of crap.

KV-1S is only good for total idiots who can only shoot twice per match before getting raped - because it's more damage with a high alpha gun.

well sure the reload time seems bad but it seems to me if you have a gun who do 3 times more dmg and high pen as kv-1s doing, fighting in bottlenecks when you do peak and shoot seems pretty devasatating.

[LegateAquila]

122 gun bouncing off tiger fronts? What the F are you aiming at?

Edited by LegateAquila, 14 October 2013 - 05:25 PM.

[oruor]

With this tank you can even influence tier8 battles. The tank for sure has drawbacks, but in general it feels quite good. I didn't like it at the begining, but once you learn how to deal with the long reloads and you put a decent crew... it's pure fun.

[Elixis_]

BattleMetalChris, on 14 October 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

In before 'it's getting a nerf soon'.
The main drawback is the huge reload time. Use cover to get close and as soon as they've fired you can can usually get two shots off before they reload, or get round behind them where they're helpless.

No its not its just getting split into 2 tanks but its still keeping the 122 mm

- apparently, KV-1S will indeed be split into two: historical KV-85 will be on tier 5 with current speed/agility, on tier 6 there will be KV-85/122, with seriously nerfed speed/agility, but it will keep the 122mm gun

Source http://ftr.wot-news....ting-with-serb/

[J00F]

Poor accuracy - are u serious guys ? I have 81,36% accuracy and 321 battles in it .

Edited by J00F, 14 October 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[apulunas]

soviet guns are not historically accurate, not even close to any accurate let alone historical.

[Achibot]

J00F, on 14 October 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Poor accuracy - are u serious guys ? I have 81,36% accuracy and 321 battles in it .

Yes, but you are a very good player. I will certainly admit that "poor" is a relative term, but by comparison with other T6 heavies it does lack accuracy. I suspect (purely anecdotally) that you won't take low percentage shots with the KV-1S because of the long reload, contributing to your already high level of general accuracy. I think it's safe to say this doesn't apply to most users of the KV-1S, when we speak in general terms.

Edited by Achibot, 14 October 2013 - 05:30 PM.

[Darky1029]

and then theres su-100 with 10s rld time, driving around pawning noobs and not getting spotted coz of 100% camo on all crew, what a lovley machine

[Pastaiolo]

It's a easy to use tank, even with the long reload, but they announced they are going to split it in one of the next patches, so imho it's not worth discussing about it again, since this topic comes every single week

Edited by Pastaiolo, 14 October 2013 - 05:34 PM.

[Dan_Abnormal]

J00F, on 14 October 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Poor accuracy - are u serious guys ? I have 81,36% accuracy and 321 battles in it .

I don't think personal accuracy figures show the whole story. I have more or less identical accuracy figures in lots of very very different tanks.

With low RoF guns with poor aim time you tend to take more care with your shots because you need to make them count, where as with high RoF guns you tend to spam more shots 'from the hip' so to speak, because when you reload it 3-4 seconds it doesn't matter if you miss so much.

With some high RoF guns I quite often fire 30-45 shots per battle, even though the hard stats of the gun make it look more accurate my actual accuracy % with these tanks is much lower than slow RoF higher alpha guns with worse hard stats for accuracy and aim time. Go figure.

The reason I hate the KV-1S is not because it's OP, but because it lets any super tomato have his say in the battle, and they quite often ruin your chances of a super carry, it only takes one shot from one of these 600WN7 idiots to ruin a potentially epic carry. Most of them don't fire more than two shells per battle...

[duvvel]

Achibot, on 14 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

They claim it's historically accurate, hence the reluctance (on SerB's part) to remove it. The downsides to the KV-1S are a lack or armour, long reload time, poor accuracy and long aim time.

Lack of armour? Sorry, compared to other tier VI tank KV-1S has decent armor. Not good, but not bad either. So hardly a downside.
Poor accuracy? On paper, yeah. In practice I got one-shoted by KV-1S from half a map away so many times I lost count. And with 175pen you don't have to aim too much in close quarters - just don't aim for bouncy parts and you will pen.
Only MAJOR drawback of KV-1S is long reload and aim time. But it only matters if you are able to survive the first hit. And many tanks that KV-1S faces do not.

[Steffenximus]

I see people complain about reload time, accuracy, aim time. i have a KV-2/152mm. I have absolutely no problems with any of those. KV-1S is a monster and it has some angles which can bounce a lot of shots, no matter how much noobs complain about armor.

It will be nerfed and rightly so, 390 alpha at T6, 13s reload time, huge pen, very mobile, decent armor.... Why didn't they give the VK36 this gun ? Because it would be OP, like this russian unrealistic tank is.

[Achibot]

duvvel, on 14 October 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Lack of armour? Sorry, compared to other tier VI tank KV-1S has decent armor. Not good, but not bad either. So hardly a downside.
Poor accuracy? On paper, yeah. In practice I got one-shoted by KV-1S from half a map away so many times I lost count. And with 175pen you don't have to aim too much in close quarters - just don't aim for bouncy parts and you will pen.
Only MAJOR drawback of KV-1S is long reload and aim time. But it only matters if you are able to survive the first hit. And many tanks that KV-1S faces do not.

I will agree that in the hands of a competent player the accuracy difference between the KV-1S and it's peers is not massive, but it does exist. I would not classify it as a major disadvantage either. The armour is poor because it has no strong points, even the turret front is very soft. In 8.9 it will also get a slight nerfing to the front plates with most of it's "bouncy spots" removed. Tier 5 mediums are capable of engaging a KV-1S frontally and hurting it, the same is not really true of say a T-150 or VK36.

Edited by Achibot, 14 October 2013 - 07:40 PM.