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Gremlin182 #21 Posted 14 October 2013 - 05:46 PM

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KV1s does have more pen than other tier 6 tanks 175 compared to 167 for the other soviet tier 6s and of course its not historical 76mm is the gun thats listed in the always accurate wikipedia end sarcasm

Its probably the best performing tank in that tier but its not an impossible tank to kill 750 hit and 75 front armout 60 sides means its as vulnerable to the other heavies and TDs it faces.

As I hear they are splitting the tank into two KV85 at tier 5 and a 122mm version at tier 6  I assume they will reduce some stats on the tier 6 or it seems pointless.

Anyway I like the kv1s and will drive it till the change then see what they do to it. KV1s was never a keeper for me I always intended to keep ginding the tier.

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View PostSteffenximus, on 14 October 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:


It will be nerfed and rightly so, 390 alpha at T6, 13s reload time, huge pen, very mobile, decent armor
only mobility will be nerfed

Paranoidmonkey #23 Posted 14 October 2013 - 05:51 PM

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well the 122mm was never on the kv-1s, the historically accurate kv -1s was just a less armored kv1 with a 76mm gun mostly used on the as a test tank. They did try puting a 107mm and there was a kv-122 with a 122mm gun but when they test fired it it broke the turret.
Wot thinking is biger alfa dmg vs DPS = balanced but in reality alfa most times beats DPS coz of view range, popout firing, etc. kv-1s its needs a nerf. :izmena:

Ulfhedinn_ #24 Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:03 PM

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No, the KV1s with the 122mm gun is not historically accurate at all. In reality that tank sported a 76mm, but I think was upgunned to an 85mm gun and renamed KV85 -
http://en.wikipedia....Voroshilov_tank
It couldn't mount the long 122mm D25T because the recoil on that gun was far too long for it's turret. And actually, the graphics in game don't even display a 122mm gun when it's mounted on the KV1s (I assume because it would look ludicrous), instead a much smaller caliber gun is shown (compare the bore on the 'smaller' T34 120mm gun to the 122mm on the KV1s and you'll see what I mean).
I appreciate that tanks in game have bigger guns than they had in history - for instance the Tiger has an 88 L70 when it reality it only had an 88 L56, and the King Tiger has a 10.5cm L68 when in reality it only had the 88 L70. But those bigger guns (that again weren't mounted in reality coz of recoil issues) are only one step bigger than the historically accurate ones. The KV1s 122mm is AT LEAST 2 steps bigger - to be on par with the over gunned Germans, the KV1s should have a 100mm gun at most.
Also, that 122mm gun used a separate shell and powder charge, so the reload time for the KV1s with one loader (that is a similar reload time to the 120mm stratosphere gun on the T34 that requires 2 loaders) is ridiculous. In truth it should be reloading twice a minute at most. And it should be uber limited on ammo capacity too, coz you'd only fit perhaps 10 of those 122mm shells and powder charges in the tank.
And why is that gun on that tank at tier 6? No good reason on earth, other than the fact SerB likes it, it's his little toy. We must all suffer so that SerB has his little Russian toy.

Edited by Maxmk6, 14 October 2013 - 08:27 PM.


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View PostSchmeksiman, on 14 October 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

A competent driver will know how to easily counter a KV-1S.

A competent KV-1S driver will blast your counter manouver in the face with 122mm cannon. This argument gets you nowhere.

Gremlin182 #26 Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:07 PM

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If you wanted to use historical accuracy to the KV1s then of course its the 76mm gun or prehaps the 85mm gun because its possible even probable that any KV1s tanks still in service when the T34-85 and KV85 were in use they might well have been modified to take such a gun.
Guns grew steadily in size and power throuought the war so had they still been making KV1s tanks in 1943 44 then a 122 mm gun would almost certainly have been equipped.
Its precisely what the Germans did with the Panzer IV upgunning and up armouring it throughout the war.
The russians didnt do this to the KV1s because they went with the IS instead.
The game has plenty of what if tanks already so a 122mm kv1s isnt so far fetched, I would be happy if they did change the gun for a100mm or 107 as on the KV2 167 pen is perfectly fine, the playing style would suit a faster firing gun imo.

Edited by Gremlin182, 14 October 2013 - 06:09 PM.


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View PostAchibot, on 14 October 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

The armour is poor because it has no strong points, even the turret front is very soft. In 8.9 it will also get a slight nerfing to the front plates with most of it's "bouncy spots" removed. Tier 5 mediums are capable of engaging a KV-1S frontally and hurting it, the same is not really true of say a T-150 or VK36.

And here is the new soon to come armour model compared to the current:
http://ftr.wot-news....larmor-changes/

The weld strip on the front hull point where LFP and UFP meet is knowed to be able to bounce a few shots as when opponents don't have time to aim properly and they shoot at your front they usually shoot smack in the middle on the thick weld strip.
Pretty soon in 8.9 sadly this will be a thing of the past.
And in 9.0 it will be removed all together just like T-50-2.

Lesas #28 Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

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why vk 30 h had a nerf to go at tier 5 and kv 85 will remain tha same? with the speed kv 85 will be over kv 1 as best tier 5

Ulfhedinn_ #29 Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:21 PM

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I'm sorry Gremlin but it's beyond far fetched, it's ridiculous. It would have been physically impossible to mount a long 122mm on that KV1s turret coz of recoil length. They could of course tried what the British did with the 17pdr when they fitted it into the M4 turret to make the Sherman Firefly, put the recoil on the side of the gun rather than behind it, but then the KV1s turret is nowhere near wide enough to allow for that.
Yes, there are plenty of what if tanks in game, and tanks that stretch reality by having guns one step bigger than they had in history, but the KV1s with  the long 122mm is just stretching reality way too much and way more than on any other tanks in game. It's the equivalent of putting the British 17pdr on a Crusader, just plain stupid.

Edited by Maxmk6, 14 October 2013 - 06:22 PM.


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View PostMaxmk6, on 14 October 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

I'm sorry Gremlin but it's beyond far fetched, it's ridiculous. It would have been physically impossible to mount a long 122mm on that KV1s turret coz of recoil length. They could of course tried what the British did with the 17pdr when they fitted it into the M4 turret to make the Sherman Firefly, put the recoil on the side of the gun rather than behind it, but then the KV1s turret is nowhere near wide enough to allow for that.
Yes, there are plenty of what if tanks in game, and tanks that stretch reality by having guns one step bigger than they had in history, but the KV1s with  the long 122mm is just stretching reality way too much and way more than on any other tanks in game. It's the equivalent of putting the British 17pdr on a Crusader, just plain stupid.

True enough I was talking generally and did assume you would need a new turret, but the soviets were very adept at coming up with modifications to their tanks.

I consider a field modification could have upgunned them to 85mm whereas a 122 would need a redsign new tuirret and perhaps lenghtening the hull but if it proved impossible in that way they would have to go the Churchill black prince rout and totally redesign it and that is extremely unlikely.

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If I understand wikipedia and other sources correctly (coz I am definitely no expert on Russian tankys at all) that redesign to allow for a bigger gun (one that could kill a Panther and Tiger) was the IS2.
I'm just annoyed about this though coz I'm still sore about them nerf murdering my beloved VK36 medium (with it's very pretty standard turret) into a slow hvy (that has to use it's ugly upgrade turret). I was appeased over that by being lead to believe they weren't really anti-German pro-Russian biased coz the KV1s was supposedly also being reigned in by it losing it's 122mm in patch 8.9. And here we are and the gun remains.
But as they say, if you can't beat them join them, so I have now got myself a KV1s. To noobinity and beyond!!!!!

Edited by Maxmk6, 14 October 2013 - 06:59 PM.


duvvel #32 Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:45 PM

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Original KV-1 (and  KV-1S) turret could barely fit even 85mm gun - it was very difficult to operate. So Soviets put IS turret on KV-1S hull. And that's how KV-85 was born. It was only temporary measure before mass production of IS tank could begin, only 148 tanks were manufactured. But this turret could mount 122mm gun.
I don't have 'historical' issue with 122mm gun on KV-1S (maybe except name of tank, it should be KV-85/KV-122), there are much more fantasy concepts in WoT. I do have a problem with 122mm gun on tier 6 - it's very unbalanced imho.

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View PostKurnubego, on 14 October 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

A competent KV-1S driver will blast your counter manouver in the face with 122mm cannon. This argument gets you nowhere.

I don't think he will be able to blast anything during his 15 second reload time and in that time I can nicely pen a few of my shots dealing more damage than he can. I have killed countless KV-1S tanks by simply being very aggressive during their reload and taking a shell if needed knowing that again I'll have another 15 seconds to finish him off. Simple as that, don't play by his rules.

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View PostAchibot, on 14 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

They claim it's historically accurate, hence the reluctance (on SerB's part) to remove it. The downsides to the KV-1S are a lack or armour, long reload time, poor accuracy and long aim time.

I looked around and I can't find any reference to the KV-1S having this gun. AFAIK the turret ring for the gun would be too large for the KV chassis and that is why it was dumped for the IS series.
Would like to be proved wrong so if anyone has a link or a reference that can be checked, I'd like to see it.

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Here it is, the KV-1S with an IS turret and the D-25T gun, also called the KV-122

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View PostFluffy_Bunny_Pants, on 14 October 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I looked around and I can't find any reference to the KV-1S having this gun. AFAIK the turret ring for the gun would be too large for the KV chassis and that is why it was dumped for the IS series.
Would like to be proved wrong so if anyone has a link or a reference that can be checked, I'd like to see it.
I'm no historian but my own understanding is that the KV-85 (itself a KV-1S variant) was fitted with an IS-1 turret capable of mounting that 122mm gun and that prototypes of it and several similar tanks (KV-100 & KV-152) were built. In WoT the designers decided to bundle variants like this that they approved of into the module system. As in many similar cases throughout the game an elited KV-1S represents the furthest development was ever taken on the tank and the stock version respresents the tank as it was in production at the time. This is actually reasonably historical in the context of WoT, especially when you consider many of the tanks ingame were never more then blueprints or theoretical designs.

Edited by Achibot, 14 October 2013 - 07:36 PM.


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View PostAchibot, on 14 October 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

I'm no historian but my own understanding is that the KV-85 (itself a KV-1S variant) was fitted with an IS-1 turret capable of mounting that 122mm gun and that prototypes of it and several similar tanks (KV-100 & KV-152) were built. In WoT the designers decided to bundle variants like this that they approved of into the module system. As in many similar cases throughout the game an elited KV-1S represents the furthest development was ever taken on the tank and the stock version respresents the tank as it was in production at the time. This is actually reasonably historical in the context of WoT, especially when you consider many of the tanks ingame were never more then blueprints or theoretical designs.

*reminds self that its an arcade game with tanks*
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Stop being delusional some of you. It's painfully OP.
This tank is a joke. Gun's brutal and VERY accurate. Mobilty is great & armour trollish. Period.



Merton15 #39 Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:19 PM

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In skilled hands it is a monster. In unskilled hands? I have lost count of the number of KV1S's I have seen die with zero damage when top tier. Usually when they are on my team and often it is a platoon of three of them that manage this "feat".

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View PostLord_WC, on 14 October 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

A competent driver picks some other tank that actually can influence the game, not that pile of crap.

KV-1S is only good for total idiots who can only shoot twice per match before getting raped - because it's more damage with a high alpha gun.
Think u upset some noobs mate.  :trollface:
Btw i totally agree with you. I'd rather play an m6 or a hellcat.




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