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Pre-Alpha British tree dug out

Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 27 Mar 2011

ITs a little russian, but its not painfull.
Mind that it was made as far as pre-aplha and it might change.
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Charcharo's Photo Charcharo 27 Mar 2011

Charcharo approves
17 pdr on tier 5!
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Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 27 Mar 2011

Its a subject to change, and its really likely.
(shh, if you approve, + me, i kinda need it :D)
Do i see Sherman Firefly in Premiums? YES!
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Sturmtiger_304's Photo Sturmtiger_304 27 Mar 2011

View PostKazomir, on 27 March 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Its a subject to change, and its really likely.
(shh, if you approve, + me, i kinda need it :D)
Do i see Sherman Firefly in Premiums? YES!

Need some work that -155 reputation of yours. :>
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Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 27 Mar 2011

Just for info for thoose who dont know russian
Легкий Танк- Light Tank
Средний Танк - Medium Tank
Тежел(blah)й танк- Heavy tank
САУ- SPG (the Anti tank SPGs are on the right side, the arty is on the left)
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punkadelic's Photo punkadelic 27 Mar 2011

ROFL, gotta love the starter tank, Little whilly  :lol:
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Small_Bob's Photo Small_Bob 27 Mar 2011

If the 17 pounder is at tier 5 that's a problem, because the 17lb was historically the best penetrator of the war. It shouldn't appear till tier 7 or 8. The only reason to have it so early is that it's been weakened from it's historical potency.

So again we see russian devs shortchanging other nations.
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Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 27 Mar 2011

View PostSmall_Bob, on 27 March 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

If the 17 pounder is at tier 5 that's a problem, because the 17lb was historically the best penetrator of the war. It shouldn't appear till tier 7 or 8. The only reason to have it so early is that it's been weakened from it's historical potency.

So again we see russian devs shortchanging other nations.
Please keep in mind that is PRE-ALPHA tree.
Also, there is a precedent for this, the 107mm ZiS-6 (or ZiS-6C for SU-85, with slightly better reload) tier 5 cannon can penetrate 167mm of armor.
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SiRiRu's Photo SiRiRu 28 Mar 2011

nice to see the tree.. Nicer to see the centurion!!! ;)

nice to see vickers there. I work for vickers ;)

tortoise hmmmmmmm now there were only a handfull of those made and I believe it had a gun of over 30lb's. good old rolls royce engines eh that will be good for all of what... 10mph /?


he he good times cant wait for release. i have to say though the most fun ive had so far is in my bt-2 its the weapon of choice for killing loltracktors ;)
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bojan's Photo bojan 29 Mar 2011

View PostSmall_Bob, on 27 March 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

If the 17 pounder is at tier 5 that's a problem, because the 17lb was historically the best penetrator of the war.
With APDS, so gold ammo.
With AP, it was pretty similar to 75/70 from Panther.
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MoZo_87's Photo MoZo_87 29 Mar 2011

Looks good! I dont know so much about premium tanks and its a shame they but firefly to there.  :huh:

But i need to get that cromwell! Theres just something in that tank. Even tho its gonna be crap for sure, i just like that tank for some weird way.  :rolleyes:
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Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 29 Mar 2011

Im gonna be liking My Tortoise :)
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Paavopesusieni's Photo Paavopesusieni 29 Mar 2011

View PostSmall_Bob, on 27 March 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

If the 17 pounder is at tier 5 that's a problem, because the 17lb was historically the best penetrator of the war. It shouldn't appear till tier 7 or 8. The only reason to have it so early is that it's been weakened from it's historical potency.

So again we see russian devs shortchanging other nations.

17 pounder didn't have the best penetration, it only had the best from western allied guns (during WWII). It was also inaccurate gun and does minimal damage compared to German 75mm for example because of the lack of HE fuse. IMO it fits really well tier V/VI only thing it has over it's counterparts is penetration.

Can't wait for Centurion, that thing was actually better than T-54 IRL unlike the M48 Americans are going to get.
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Kazomir's Photo Kazomir 29 Mar 2011

Just noticed,
All the tanks in the medium branch (cruiser Mk3 to Centurion Mk3) Start with the letter C :)
Also tier 6 Black Prince looks niiiiice
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Lobo's Photo Lobo 29 Mar 2011

Churchill AVRE

290mm mortar. This will hurt a lot.
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DarkFenix's Photo DarkFenix 29 Mar 2011

View PostPaavopesusieni, on 29 March 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

17 pounder didn't have the best penetration, it only had the best from western allied guns (during WWII). It was also inaccurate gun and does minimal damage compared to German 75mm for example because of the lack of HE fuse. IMO it fits really well tier V/VI only thing it has over it's counterparts is penetration.

Can't wait for Centurion, that thing was actually better than T-54 IRL unlike the M48 Americans are going to get.
Actually the 17 pounder was only inaccurate when using APDS shells, which were somewhat experimental at that time. I do think the 17 pounder will be fairly underwhelming in WoT though, since the historic conditions that made it one of the greatest guns of WW2 aren't present in game. It'll be roughly comparable to the German 75mm L/70 in all likelihood for game balance's sake. The British tanks will be getting plenty of post-war guns far superior to the 17 pounder anyway, so I'm not worried.

As for the Centurion, I wouldn't pin any hope on it, many tanks history says were great have turned out to be sub-standard while the T-54 has been put in with carefully cherry-picked stats well in excess of any actual real life model.


@Lobo: I'm more looking forward to the 380mm rocket-mortar on the Sturmtiger to be honest :P

@Kazomir: The British pioneered the cruiser tank, which evolved into the MBT. All British cruiser tanks and MBT's have been named beginning with C since the start and carry on to this day.
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Lobo's Photo Lobo 29 Mar 2011

View PostDarkFenix2k5, on 29 March 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

@Lobo: I'm more looking forward to the 380mm rocket-mortar on the Sturmtiger to be honest :P

Love that tank since "A Bridge too Far" that's why I'm looking for it ;)
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YOOP's Photo YOOP 30 Mar 2011

Well, first off all I like heavies.
The FV214 Conqueror is a tier 9 tank  as I see in the Kazomir pre-alpha tree.
It was designed to fight against IS3 but is3 is tier 8 tank in soviet tree.
So there is a little discrepancy compared to the real history facts.
Anyway I am waiting the British tree.

Good luck.
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PzGrenKdr's Photo PzGrenKdr 30 Mar 2011

was posted a long time ago, look here: http://forum.worldof...post__p__286374 so nothing real new, sorry.
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Paavopesusieni's Photo Paavopesusieni 30 Mar 2011

I think we all know that this ain't new.
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