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Shoeshine #21 Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:23 AM

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View PostOverlord, on 29 March 2011 - 10:07 AM, said:

It's a bit alogical to have Schmalturm in-game with 10.5 cm mounted. Better to introduce something more credible.

something more credible...like the long 8.8, effectively making the Panther 2 under gunned for T8?

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View PostOverlord, on 29 March 2011 - 10:07 AM, said:

It's a bit alogical to have Schmalturm in-game with 10.5 cm mounted. Better to introduce something more credible.

What? The current P2 already can mount the 10.5 cm with the Schmalturm.

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View PostShoshine, on 29 March 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

something more credible...like the long 8.8, effectively making the Panther 2 under gunned for T8?

Panther which is tier 8 at the moment with its current 8.8 L/71 is not undergunned. Overall this gun is better than both 100mm D10T and 90mm M3.

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View PostStanislavKus, on 29 March 2011 - 10:25 AM, said:

What? The current P2 already can mount the 10.5 cm with the Schmalturm.

And this can be changed if it goes tier 8.

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View PostOverlord, on 29 March 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

And this can be changed if it goes tier 8.

Is it so bad to give a 10.5 mm with low rate of fire like

122 mm D-25-44 390/390/465 175/217/61 3.57

of T-44....

So with above example, 390 x 3.57 = 1392,3 DPM

or the 100 mm from T-44 230 x 8 = 1840 DPM

and the Panther's Long 88 220 x 8.96 = 1971 DPM

So is it so bad to give Panther a 10.5 mm with 320 x 4.5 = 1440 DPM gun....

The problem with Panther and Panther II, with paper thin armor, the more u present ur selve to the enemy, the more disadvantageous it is, so RoF is not bringing anything....


Panther is well balanced against T-23 (but I don't see that tank quite frequently in the battle field) but because of 122 mm of T-44 not so I think...

radmor #26 Posted 29 March 2011 - 12:47 PM

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So the actual full german tech tree ll be changed? Its good idea to be the same as now, its just release tree with additional e serie tanks and thats good solution

E series should have:
good armor
good mobility with HorsePower/weight minimum 10
good rpm minimum 5
good accuracy minimum 0,35
turret speed minimum 28

PLS leave E tanks in 1 vertical line(anyway as tank names says E50 the next step in this type is E75 and then E100, simple and clear, itsd something which can make that hell more ppl will use german tree instead or russian , like me, i just want them in 1 line and to be a good tanks in everything as russians r


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I have no problem of PII losing it's 105 if it becomes tier 8, actually that's how I want it to be. 88 L/71 i really good tier 8 medium gun. Neither T-44 gets the IS or IS-3 122mm it only gets crappy one. If Panther II becomes tier 8 it's basically bigger Panther with better armor (maybe better maneuverability), armor would be almost as as good as T-44's sloped 90mm frontal plate. I would call that balanced.

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View Postgoslaw, on 29 March 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

PLS leave E tanks in 1 vertical line(anyway as tank names says E50 the next step in this type is E75 and then E100, simple and clear, itsd something which can make that hell more ppl will use german tree instead or russian , like me, i just want them in 1 line and to be a good tanks in everything as russians r
But E tanks should NOT be in one line, E-50 was proposed as "heavy Medium", to combine Panther and Tiger II and thus replace the cancelled Panther II. E-75 and E-100 were to be heavies - and I would dare suggest the line should be reversed, E-100 first (big guns and less mobility, less rof and other disadvantages) with E-75 as the Tier X (same PRACTICAL gun, ie 128mm, and more mobility, smaller size etc.). There IS a reason the post-war trend was "heavy Mediums" rather than "superheavy".

EDIT: And why guns settled at 90-105mm range, with 120mm+ being exceptional until the arrival of composite armor.

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View PostOverlord, on 28 March 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

It is likely to get 120mm front hull weighing about 60 tons, most possible engine is Maybach HL234 900 h.p. which is expected to produce up to 1200 HP with supercharging.

120 mm sloped at how much degrees? Please bare that Panther II as it is right now, is really soft for a Tier 9 tank, since E-50 is somewhat "fantasy paper" tank, have you considered perhaps playing with it's stats to make it more viable (as with VK4502 Ausf. B)

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The general outline of E-50 seems to keep in line with Tiger II/Panther - will guess 55 degrees slope. Maybe more...

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View PostOverlord, on 29 March 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

And this can be changed if it goes tier 8.
So, the best gun for a tier VIII Panther II would be the 75 L/100?

It could work like this: Panther with 88 L/71, Panther II with 75 L/100, E-50 with 88 L/100 and/or 105 Ausf B.

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2 questions:

When we ll finally look at official release tank trees? especially german


Do Open beta testers ll get gift also?

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View Posttuccy, on 29 March 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

The general outline of E-50 seems to keep in line with Tiger II/Panther - will guess 55 degrees slope. Maybe more...


E-75 slope was 60 degrees, so that 150mm plate would be 300mm effective armor. E-50 is probably the same, so 120mm would be 240mm effective armor, pretty much equal to T-54 and Tiger II.

That picture Overlord posted sure looks like 60 degrees.

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View Posttuccy, on 29 March 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

The general outline of E-50 seems to keep in line with Tiger II/Panther - will guess 55 degrees slope. Maybe more...

Anything below 200 mm effective is a joke for a tier 9 frontal armor... It has to be at least 220 to be considered "good"...

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Move panther 2 to tier 8, remove the 105 from it.

Move panther to tier 7, remove the long 88 and give it the 75mmL100 as a top gun

Move db to tier 6 and remove 200-350 hitpoints, or more.

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View PostOverlord, on 28 March 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

Both options are possible. This is under discussion currently.

how about :

Panther alongside 3002db as tier 7 tank with 75mm l/70 and 75mm L/100 ( or 8.8cm L/56 ).
Panther II as tier 8 with default 75mm L/75 with option for 75mm L/100 and 88mm l/71 gun.
E50 with default 75mm L/100 wiht option for 88mm L/100 and as best gun 10.5cm L/52 Ausf. B ( gun that we have now on P2 ).

Path would be :
3002db ;
Panther > Panther II > E50
- - - t7 - - - - - - t8 - - - - - t9

Makes more sense to me then what we have now :)

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leave e tanks in 1 line, thats only reason to go with german tree

as name says older brother of e50 is e75, older brother of e75 is e100, pls leave it this way

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View Postgoslaw, on 31 March 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

leave e tanks in 1 line, thats only reason to go with german tree

as name says older brother of e50 is e75, older brother of e75 is e100, pls leave it this way

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E75 is not the successor of E50...

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Soo, hell yea, we are getting a competitive medium tank!

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Very good news ina there. The E50 is a medium.
Making it a t9 medium would make an absolutly great tank. Moving the others down is a absolutly great idea, i guess you got almost the whole community behind you with this idea Overlord.
But it would really be nice, if it gets the 10,5 Ausf. B (PII looses it, and moves one tier down), and as alt. the 88L/100.

Isnt the Ausf. B planned yet Overlord?

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View PostGeamr, on 29 March 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Move panther 2 to tier 8, remove the 105 from it.Move panther to tier 7, remove the long 88 and give it the 75mmL100 as a top gunMove db to tier 6 and remove 200-350 hitpoints, or more.

The 3002DB at Tier 6, even if it had 650 hitpoints, would still be OP. That thing bounces more than the KV-3, it seems. Then again if you start nerfing other stats it becomes a different tank from what it is, and that sounds sad. What a challenging situation.

Oh well, maybe it wouldn't be OP, it'd just be the T-54 for tier 6.




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