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PunisherPT #61 Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

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Nice! Tiger next?  :honoring:

TheKroo #62 Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:00 PM

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View PostPunisherPT, on 08 November 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Nice! Tiger next?  :honoring:

Will probably finish this series with some KV-2 info.

And then we will see.

Tuccy #63 Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:26 PM

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Bah Tiger... I vote for the most underrated tank :D M4 Medium AKA Sherman :D

TheKroo #64 Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:34 PM

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View PostTuccy, on 08 November 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

Bah Tiger... I vote for the most underrated tank :D M4 Medium AKA Sherman :D

For all of M4 Sherman fans, some fan fiction : http://forum.worldof...steel-and-fire/

delict #65 Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:19 AM

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For the people interested in more on the subject I d recomend watching 'german war files' series on youtube especially parts Pz.Kpfw. IV and Pz.Kpfw. VI which offer great footage of both early and late stages of war and information on tank development and military operations of that era. Obviously from german perspective.
German war files thread.

Edited by delict, 09 November 2013 - 11:25 AM.


Dracorian15 #66 Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:53 PM

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Nice article, and well written it's nice to see something like this on the forums...

However, we all know that Wargaming is an East-European/Russian game company. This means, if you write an article about Russian tanks, you should look out that you are not bringing the facts a bit too positive, than, people can understand it as "propaganda" . I'm not directly saying that this is the case in this article, but you might get hate from West-European people as they see it as propaganda. Please note that in all your articles, especially in the articles about Russian tanks. It's just a hint ;)

sorry for poor English...

maydays #67 Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:27 AM

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View PostAngryBanana, on 06 November 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

So? I was aware of that but it still doesnt make it an AT gun.
If you read the wiki page carefully, it were used as BOTH AA, and as AT gun, so it actually did make as an AT gun as well.

Edited by maydays, 10 November 2013 - 06:35 AM.


steelers708 #68 Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:01 PM

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View PostHunter1911, on 07 November 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I was referring to the fact that no vehicle mounted German guns of the initial war period were able to reliably penetrate the KV-1 series.
88mm was vehicle born only after the appearance of 88mm KwK gun
If you believe this then I would suggest you go and study some more.  The 8.8cm Flak 18 matched with the DB10(Zgkw12t) to produce the 8.8cm Flak (sfl) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8), 10 were produced and issued to 1./schwere Panzerabwehr-Batterie 8, ultimately becoming the 3./ schwere Heeres Panzerjager Abteilung 559. They served in Poland, France and Russia whilst equipped with the 8.8cm Flak (sfl) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8).

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View PostDracorian15, on 09 November 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Nice article, and well written it's nice to see something like this on the forums...
However, we all know that Wargaming is an East-European/Russian game company. This means, if you write an article about Russian tanks, you should look out that you are not bringing the facts a bit too positive, than, people can understand it as "propaganda" . I'm not directly saying that this is the case in this article, but you might get hate from West-European people as they see it as propaganda. Please note that in all your articles, especially in the articles about Russian tanks. It's just a hint ;)
sorry for poor English...
Thanks for the advice.
I have chosen this article as German tanks tend to get more references and pop culture highlights so I wanted to write about something not so well known.
But all nations will get their five minutes of fame :)

View Poststeelers708, on 10 November 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

If you believe this then I would suggest you go and study some more.  The 8.8cm Flak 18 matched with the DB10(Zgkw12t) to produce the 8.8cm Flak (sfl) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8), 10 were produced and issued to 1./schwere Panzerabwehr-Batterie 8, ultimately becoming the 3./ schwere Heeres Panzerjager Abteilung 559. They served in Poland, France and Russia whilst equipped with the 8.8cm Flak (sfl) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8).
I am familiar with this :)
But Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8) IMHO was more of a delivery system than an actual front line AT vehicle.
Pardon my lack of specification. But I was more referring to the fully tracked and armored vehicles fit for front line and armored vehicles engagements.
It was more fit for mobile defense roles and support than escorting tank units as tank hunter.
As getting the poorly to none armored half tracks into a heart of combat would not really go well.. well at least in this story.

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View PostHunter1911, on 10 November 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

I am familiar with this :)
But Zugkraftwagen 12t(Sdkfz 8) IMHO was more of a delivery system than an actual front line AT vehicle.
Pardon my lack of specification. But I was more referring to the fully tracked and armored vehicles fit for front line and armored vehicles engagements.
It was more fit for mobile defense roles and support than escorting tank units as tank hunter.
As getting the poorly to none armored half tracks into a heart of combat would not really go well.. well at least in this story.

Then I suggest you read the following book: http://www.autumngale.com/

You will find out that during the initial stages of Barbarossa the unit was attached to the 7th panzer division and on the 6th July during Timoshenko's counter-attack at Lichatschi the unit formed part of the 7th's AT screen and is credited with knocking out 34 T-34's, it's commander Leutnant Engelbert Lattka was credited with 15 of these for which he was awarded the Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse.

An interesting aside is that until they were destroyed/lost the 1./schwere Panzerabwehr-Batterie 8 were equipped with the only 2 prototypes of the VK901 or Panzer Selbsfahrlafette 1C 5cm auf panzerkampfwagen II (VK901).

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View Poststeelers708, on 10 November 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Then I suggest you read the following book: http://www.autumngale.com/
You will find out that during the initial stages of Barbarossa the unit was attached to the 7th panzer division and on the 6th July during Timoshenko's counter-attack at Lichatschi the unit formed part of the 7th's AT screen and is credited with knocking out 34 T-34's, it's commander Leutnant Engelbert Lattka was credited with 15 of these for which he was awarded the Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse.
An interesting aside is that until they were destroyed/lost the 1./schwere Panzerabwehr-Batterie 8 were equipped with the only 2 prototypes of the VK901 or Panzer Selbsfahrlafette 1C 5cm auf panzerkampfwagen II (VK901).
Oh that book looks like an interesting read. Will give it a look after I am back from my trip. Thanks :)
And will refill my reply to your post afterwards :)

Edited by Hunter1911, 10 November 2013 - 09:16 PM.


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Nice article, will there be one for the KV-1 754r?

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View PostPichu_Trainer, on 11 November 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

Nice article, will there be one for the KV-1 754r?

It will probably get its mention :)

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View PostAngryBanana, on 06 November 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

ahahaha, the germans didnt have L/48 L/48s or L/60 5cms at the start of the war, and the 88mm FlaK is a FLugzeugAbwehrKanone, not an antitank gun.
So that's what flak means :P
I always wondered
PS: interesting read

Edited by Sirrobert, 22 November 2013 - 01:52 PM.


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View PostSirrobert, on 22 November 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

So that's what flak means :P
I always wondered
PS: interesting read

Non-English term for air defence - German flak (from the German Flugzeugabwehrkanone, aircraft defence cannon).

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View PostHunter1911, on 22 November 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Non-English term for air defence - German flak (from the German Flugzeugabwehrkanone, aircraft defence cannon).

When I was growing up in the 60's and into the 70's it was commonly used by veterans and TV documentaries, my old English teacher who flew in Lancasters  during the war always used the term FlaK when referring to anti-aircraft fire.  Unfortunately we now have to but up with the horrible American term Triple A - Anti Aircraft Artillery.

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Very nice. I enjoyed reading this. Thank you!

TheKroo #78 Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:09 AM

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View PostSmokey957, on 24 November 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Very nice. I enjoyed reading this. Thank you!

Nice to hear that! :)




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