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Jetser #1 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:26 PM

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Seems WG secretly changed all T-54 ammo to gold ammo!
Every time I meet a T-54, be it in my WZ-131, ELC or Object 704 I ONLY get shot by gold ammo.
"I only load a few shells" my [edited].
I think the gold ammo usage is severly underestimated.

Edited by Jetser, 13 November 2013 - 12:35 PM.


Prohibition #2 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:34 PM

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Yeah those t54 drivers must use gold to kill ELC  :trollface:

aGentleTanker #3 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:36 PM

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Why should someone shoot gold on elc or wz-131?
HE rules

Treborn #4 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

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@Prohibition, aGentleTanker: I though the same as you guys are but since I installed the Damage Received Announcer mod I am amazed how many people shot gold at my FCM and BatChat.

murjar #5 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

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T-54 being such a ding machine its better to shoot APCR/HEAT than regular AP.

Thrombozyt #6 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:41 PM

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I hope you realize, that APCR is the standard ammunition (cost 1250 credits per shot) and 'regular' AP isn't available for the T54 as well as many Tier X medium tanks.

So only HEAT is premium ammunition.

wims80 #7 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:44 PM

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If I got a premium shell loaded and I see a weakly armored target of opportunity I almost never reload to a normal shell. I fire whatever I have in the chamber, then change ammo type. Dealing the damage at that particular point in time is almost always more important to me than to preserve credits. I basically only think about credits whenever I'm grinding credits. When I'm in a match I'll spare no expenses to get the job done. Well, I do, but not at the cost of performance.

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Akula971 #8 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

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When I get shot by gold I think WTF? did you really need gold to pen my Marder or other paper armour tank? But I've found myself in a situation when I'm confronted with an enemy tank that I can't penetrate normally, so I think use gold or die?  Then I have gold loaded, and another tank comes into view after me. Do I take the shot, still having gold loaded? or do I wait to reload with AP? hoping they won't fire?  Like hell, I'll take the shot and not hope. So sometimes I'll shoot gold without needing to.

Also I have quite a few tanks that farm credits, that I use to buy gold ammo for other tanks. Take the Covenantor for example. Its OK against the same tier with my auto cannon, but higher tiers? no good at all, so I will load gold, and do my best!

Really its not gold anymore, yes you can buy it or just use your credits from your successful tank battles. Its part of the game, use it when YOU want to. Perhaps it might be better not to sit around or being in harms ways getting shot?

Has "gold", premium ammo ruined the game? no more than first aid kits, repair packs, cammo nets. If you can use it, why not?  WoT has never been historically accurate, its just a tank themed game.

3kilos #9 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

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View PostThrombozyt, on 13 November 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I hope you realize, that APCR is the standard ammunition (cost 1250 credits per shot) and 'regular' AP isn't available for the T54 as well as many Tier X medium tanks.

So only HEAT is premium ammunition.

Well T54 doesnt have APCR at all, you can either shoot AP(200mm) or HEAT(330mm)

BigFellas_Dad #10 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:46 PM

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Ive just got my T-54 (and great fun it is too, its actually more fun than my M7 and RamII) As yet I havent got the either of the top guns as ive only researched everything to increase mobility and the turret, but yes, im shooting premium shells as default and I carry a few normal AP for those just in case moments when i can get away with out them, arty and scouts etc.  Im still making profit in general so im not too concerned.  Once I get the top gun, this load out will reverse and I should be making more profit than I do now. I havent a stigma over premium shells, they are available in the garage for credits and I earn enough credits in all of my tanks to shoot premium if I want.  But yes, to the OP, the T-54 and shooting premium is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

Jetser #11 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

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View PostAkula971, on 13 November 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Has "gold", premium ammo ruined the game? no more than first aid kits, repair packs, cammo nets. If you can use it, why not?  WoT has never been historically accurate, its just a tank themed game.

I have to disagree here chap, gold ammo gives a significant advantage over your enemy, mainly his armor.

Repair kits only give you a small 'get out of jail' card in a tight position, but you can only use it once.
If you can only load one gold shell the whole round, sure.

AliceUnchained #12 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:48 PM

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View PostThrombozyt, on 13 November 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I hope you realize, that APCR is the standard ammunition (cost 1250 credits per shot) and 'regular' AP isn't available for the T54 as well as many Tier X medium tanks.

So only HEAT is premium ammunition.

Since when is the T-54 a Tier X medium? It fires 'regular' AP and has HEAT as premium choice.

@Treborn: Most likely they have it pre-loaded. I doubt anyone would go "Oi, hang on. No armor vehicle. I'll just switch my premium ammo for regular ammo and wait another 6 - 10 for it to load, then I'll shoot."

Prohibition #13 Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:50 PM

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View PostTreborn, on 13 November 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

@Prohibition, aGentleTanker: I though the same as you guys are but since I installed the Damage Received Announcer mod I am amazed how many people shot gold at my FCM and BatChat.

Well I guess that some players have unlimited credit supply than, wasting 4k+ credits pre shoot on french tanks... or they still haven't learned when to use gold ammo.
But all in all gold ammo is available to all now, and screams about using gold are stupid, it's like whining about enemy team having 15 players with ammo.

Arkhell #14 Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:56 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 13 November 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Since when is the T-54 a Tier X medium? It fires 'regular' AP and has HEAT as premium choice.

@Treborn: Most likely they have it pre-loaded. I doubt anyone would go "Oi, hang on. No armor vehicle. I'll just switch my premium ammo for regular ammo and wait another 6 - 10 for it to load, then I'll shoot."

no i usually go like Oi, hang on no armor tenk, next shell is gona be HE for the lulz :trollface: but yeah i never reload ammo type unless i am like 1 or 2 sec into the reload, that ELC will die from a AP shell but that HEAT will kill it just as quick  :teethhappy:

Alezul #15 Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:05 PM

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View PostTreborn, on 13 November 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

@Prohibition, aGentleTanker: I though the same as you guys are but since I installed the Damage Received Announcer mod I am amazed how many people shot gold at my FCM and BatChat.
Yeah, before using that mod i'd be joining everyone else mocking op probably. But funny enough, there are players that seem to only shoot gold. I'm not talking about having gold loaded first and not switching. I can understand that, i mean two gold shots in a row on my medium or other paper tank.

T54 seems to be, from my pretty short experience so far with the mod, the most prone tank to shoot nothing but gold regardless of armor they face.

And no, i'm not stupid enough to miss the difference between regular apcr and gold ammo because gold has that money bag symbol, hard to miss.

Dan_Abnormal #16 Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

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View PostAlezul, on 13 November 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

And no, i'm not stupid enough to miss the difference between regular apcr and gold ammo because gold has that money bag symbol, hard to miss.

You'll have a hard time spotting APCR coming from a T-54.

TinyViking #17 Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:18 PM

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Oh no, you caught us, now the cat's out of the bag and everyone knows that all T-54 users had their ammo converted to premium!

On a serious note, OP, it's a bit far fetched to think we'd do this no? In case you are still unsure let me clarify this:

We have not release a secret patch aimed at only a specific tank turning all the ammo into premium rounds.

xtrem3x #18 Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

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View PostAlezul, on 13 November 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

And no, i'm not stupid enough to miss the difference between regular apcr and gold ammo because gold has that money bag symbol, hard to miss.

The mod is often wrong with that money bag symbol.
All APCR, HEAT and HESH shows the money bag symbol. APCR as standard (for example in batchat) still shows the money bag symbol when it hits you.

The mod is very good at catching liars though.
Was in my WZ120 and was hit with an APCR round from an E-75, I said "nice gold nooooooooob" because I like to troll premium ammo players.
He says "I don't need gold to pen WZ stupid noob"
He then shot me with it again so it was clear to me he was only using premium rounds.

I know anyone can use premium ammo now and some tanks to an extent do need it more then others (E-100), in general I feel it does break the game. Why grind for a heavily armoured tank? If you enjoy slow tanks with good armour, you like angling it perfectly etc, then someone comes along with gold ammo, it wrecks the game for you.  Like most people I carry approx. 5 rounds of gold in each tank I play. This is only because I can and I'd be an idiot not to. The only tank I use it as standard is my FV  :smile:

Innocuous #19 Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:39 PM

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Problem with the T-54 is that it's the statpadders tank of choice in the higher tiers and those type of players will happily spam premium rounds regardless of the target. Second problem is that the T-54 gets a far too massive a benefit from it's premium rounds (from 201 to 330), which when compared with other tanks differences of penetration between their standard rounds and their premium rounds is probably the best in it's tier (if not the entire game - though the American's 90mms might beat it). Turning the tank from one that requires flanking to be truly effective into one that can frontally penetrate any tank unless you aim like a halfwit.

As for premium spamming in general, yeah there is far more then I thought there was before the damage announcer mod appeared. It's also not just veterans playing in their their carry tanks either, seems to be an awful lot of newer players loading it and using it by default (in most cases for no reason - about 75%+ of cases they most likely would of went right through me with standard AP). XVM could also have an effect since more then a few people see a good player and try to premium round him into the ground regardless of the tank he is in.

porta27batt #20 Posted 22 November 2013 - 08:29 PM

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Thrombozyt #6
Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:41 PM
I hope you realize, that APCR is the standard ammunition (cost 1250 credits per shot) and 'regular' AP isn't available for the T54 as well as many Tier X medium tanks.
So only HEAT is premium ammunition.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:45 PM
Well T54 doesnt have APCR at all, you can either shoot AP(200mm) or HEAT(330mm)
Just to put the AP/APCR/HEAT argument to rest;
        

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