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Bat Chat.25t french med buff

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Poll: Bat Chat.25t needs buff (321 members have cast votes)

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Bring back 6 magazine clip for bat?

  1. Yes? (132 votes [41.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.12%

  2. No? (111 votes [34.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.58%

  3. Leave as is? (78 votes [24.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.30%

Limit amount of tier x tds in battles?

  1. Yes? (154 votes [47.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.98%

  2. No? (167 votes [52.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.02%

Buff bats hp

  1. Yes? (104 votes [32.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.40%

  2. No? (129 votes [40.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.19%

  3. Leave as is? (88 votes [27.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.41%

Increse ammo ammount from 30 to 40

  1. Yes? (221 votes [68.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.85%

  2. No? (70 votes [21.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.81%

  3. Leave as is? (30 votes [9.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.35%

Increse acceleration

  1. Yes? (124 votes [38.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.63%

  2. No? (125 votes [38.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.94%

  3. Leave as in? (72 votes [22.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.43%

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Busse #41 Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:04 PM

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PS: You fellows out there have to thank mother nature that not all the Bat players are able to use their brain. Imagine what would had happened then, a 900 wn8 braindead moron chasing and killing you in each tier 10 game.

7049 #42 Posted 16 May 2014 - 12:48 PM

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View PostLuck0r, on 29 March 2014 - 05:01 PM, said:

Players till 53 % WR suck in this Tank compared to their other Tanks, so guess what cohen you with your 48 % Winrate would perform with Batchat even worse then with your Maus, even if i'm not sure if thats possible. :trollface:

 

This just means that many high win rate/high WN8 play the BC25 with platoons and or gold ammo. Most tomato's like me play 1005 solo. The BC25 is not a great solo tank. very team depended.



keyres #43 Posted 17 May 2014 - 09:59 PM

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View Post7049, on 16 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

This just means that many high win rate/high WN8 play the BC25 with platoons and or gold ammo. Most tomato's like me play 1005 solo. The BC25 is not a great solo tank. very team depended.

 

I play it mostly solo and I don't use gold ammo in randoms, and I seem to fall into "high win rate/high WN8" category. I do believe that this renders your argument invalid.



Busse #44 Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:20 AM

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Team dependent^^... Tell me which tank in this game is able to carry a match all alone. I strongly belive that this is at the hands of the player and lady luck. I had epic games in all my tanks and i had epic fails in all of my tanks, this makes me think that there is not a best or a worst tank, all in this game is situational and all machines are capable to do great if the environment and the moment are good.

 

I managed to hold a position in WT Pz IV all alone against 5 enemy tanks because they just did not rushed me, they were ok with trading shots with me and my arty team mates.

On the same tank, i was unable to kill some stationary KV 4 at 250 meters away because in 4 shots my gun decided to throw on me 2 misses a damaged track and a side bounce.

 

The game has a lot of problems but this "balance" is not one of them... You want all tanks to be the same? There are roles and tanks for each one. If you will try to take on a Maus head on on the streets of Himmelsdorf with a Lorraine, then you're doin' it wrong, as well as if you try on Malinovka to advance strait to the enemy base in a Maus. 

 

To point out what i may see as a wrong MM is, i will take as example the French med line. You have there 5 tanks in 5 different tiers that end up in a tier 10 match.

Those tanks are: AMX 12t, AMX 13 75, AMX 13 90, Lorraine 40t and Bat Chat 25t.

While for the Bat, Lorr and the 13 90 it is ok, for the 13 75 and the 12t i find it wrong. Why bother to make all those tiers if you will throw em all in the same pot?!? It is true that these two are not always in tier 10 matches but then again, they do end up there every once in a while.



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View Postkeyres, on 17 May 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

 

I play it mostly solo and I don't use gold ammo in randoms, and I seem to fall into "high win rate/high WN8" category. I do believe that this renders your argument invalid.

 

I all random battles you get zero support from your team. That mean a BC 25t is a easy kill. Since after you did you 5 shot no one will cover your retreat or help you out in any way. Normally of the 5 shots 4 will hit 2 or 3 will penetrate. that mean you do between 600 and 1200 damage on a full clip. That is not enough to kill any tank. Meaning once you have to reload more often then not you are dead.



keyres #46 Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:44 PM

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View Post7049, on 19 May 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

I all random battles you get zero support from your team. That mean a BC 25t is a easy kill. Since after you did you 5 shot no one will cover your retreat or help you out in any way. Normally of the 5 shots 4 will hit 2 or 3 will penetrate. that mean you do between 600 and 1200 damage on a full clip. That is not enough to kill any tank. Meaning once you have to reload more often then not you are dead.

 

Somehow I manage most of the times to cover deficiencies of Bat sufficiently to not be an easy kill. If you really think that Bat is such a weakling, then simply don't play it - and be happy to stomp it (if it's really that easy to you...).

 

Also - all tanks are really team dependent, and autoloaders most of all. Apart from some monstrosities like KV-220 there aren't really tanks that can win a game purely by themselves.



Keyhand #47 Posted 19 May 2014 - 03:34 PM

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View Post7049, on 19 May 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

I all random battles you get zero support from your team. That mean a BC 25t is a easy kill. Since after you did you 5 shot no one will cover your retreat or help you out in any way. Normally of the 5 shots 4 will hit 2 or 3 will penetrate. that mean you do between 600 and 1200 damage on a full clip. That is not enough to kill any tank. Meaning once you have to reload more often then not you are dead.


I have to go with keyres, I have the same experience in mine, actually its my favourite tank in the game and actually, if some changes needs nerfing :P wether in platoon or solo it is always capable of doing something awesome because of the high mobility combined with the high dmg high pen autoloader (more dmg in clip than both tier X clipheavies) the longer the game goes the stronger the batchat becomes because less guns can shoot back while unloading

but of course i wouldnt mind a buff to my lovable little bugger



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View Postkeyres, on 19 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

Somehow I manage most of the times to cover deficiencies of Bat sufficiently to not be an easy kill. If you really think that Bat is such a weakling, then simply don't play it - and be happy to stomp it (if it's really that easy to you...).

 

Also - all tanks are really team dependent, and autoloaders most of all. Apart from some monstrosities like KV-220 there aren't really tanks that can win a game purely by themselves.

 

I often can be found on the front line. Also in my BC 25t. So it is not uncommon do drive be at the receiving end of a tier 8,9 or 10 TD. Or some other monstrosity, killing a BC 25t in 1or 2 hits.



keyres #49 Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:08 PM

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View Post7049, on 19 May 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

 

I often can be found on the front line. Also in my BC 25t. So it is not uncommon do drive be at the receiving end of a tier 8,9 or 10 TD. Or some other monstrosity, killing a BC 25t in 1or 2 hits.

 

To that, I can relate - getting one shoted by FV 183, is no fun at all.

 



Fordox #50 Posted 21 May 2014 - 07:57 AM

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I just got the BC.

 

My first reaction:

Wow this monster had an 6 shell drum?? no wonder its nerfed.



Busse #51 Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:25 PM

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The damn brit TD can one shot tier 10 heavy, let alone a poor Bat. The idea is not to get hit by it and not to hope you survive the blow. I guess that the tier 10 brit trol lTD, should be played only with gold ammo. I cant see any reason not to do that since those have to be real fun. 

Anyway, i am close to the Bat now, i need around 30k xp and Lorri does real great for me and i can't wait to see if it is as i hope. If it goes as much as the Lorri, i will love it. Atm, i have 3100 vn8 on Lorri.



GeneralRudolfski #52 Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:44 PM

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I play batchat also a lot, and think its fine, the only thing is, the 30shells is a little bit meh. got out of ammo a lot ot times.

Timberjac #53 Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

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Batchar buff? It must be a bad joke.

 

Batchar, is the only scout on tier X. It is a "medium" tank only beacouse WG had a crossing wire some of "light" tanks are more heavy tan Batchar.

It carry a lot of firepower in a very small packing. Even worse, their magical tracks are able to take awesome shoots (even their armor surface do HESH unusefull, you can do more damage to any german tank with enormeus armor that "paper's" BatChar armor).

 

Until the rest of nations had tier X "scouts" Batchar is even a error that do the rest of scouts are stupid things with MM really bads (just as BatChar havent).

 

BatChar have the best of both worlds. It have too much.

 

Maybe french army need a medium tank as others nations and the rest of nations need their own batchars (high tier scouts).



sady3296 #54 Posted 21 May 2014 - 03:10 PM

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Yes buff bat and nerf pointless tds even more. Because the fastest tank with the most camo in t10 is up... oh and it also has a drum that can 1 clip other t10 meds. They should also buff obj140, e5 and t57 while theyre at it.

 

10k games in bat op and still clueless? wow


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keyres #55 Posted 21 May 2014 - 05:55 PM

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View PostFordox, on 21 May 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

I just got the BC.

 

My first reaction:

Wow this monster had an 6 shell drum?? no wonder its nerfed.

 

It still has a 6 shell drum. Just not with the 105 mm gun but the 100 mm known from 50 100 and Lorraine. 105 one always had 5 shells.



Fordox #56 Posted 22 May 2014 - 07:49 AM

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But why does everyone yell "BRING BACK THE 6 SHELL DRUM!!!!!1!!11". It doesn't make sense if the BC allways had 5 shells in the 105.

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On tier 9 it only had the 100mm gun and that with 6 shells so that might be why

Busse #58 Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:55 AM

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Well if the tier 9 only had the 10mm gun and folks are yelling that they want it back, i can only say that they have it... Mount the second gun on the bat and you maked it like the tier 9 one with a little more HP. MM wise, i don't think that was much of a difference between tier 9 and tier 10.

 

Anyway, if you actually do that, mount the 100mm gun for one extrea shot in the clip, i have to tell you that you are plain dumb. The 105 is better by all measures...

 

Why do folks want more rounds per magazine?!?

 

Having less but with more punch is the way to go. You can't always stand around and spam shot after shot, sometimes you get the chance to score one, maybe two hits. Considering the fact that the reload for the clip is the same, isn't better to strike harder? Not to mention that the full clip of 5 rounds from the 105 does more dmg then the full 100mm clip of 6 rounds and in less time which translates in less exposure to enemy fire.

 

Mount whatever gun you want but the 105 gun  is better then 100.



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especially since APCR is standard on the 105...

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BatChat is amazing at it is, making it better would just make people cranky. Leave it as it is and leave it off the WG "nerf radar".




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