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DO u want the abram to be Tier 11 heavy american tank

  1. Yes (17 votes [30.36%])

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  2. No (39 votes [69.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.64%

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ramy2017 #1 Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:16 PM

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The M1 Abrams is an American third-generation main battle tank produced by the United States. It is named after General Creighton Abrams, former Army Chief of Staff and Commander of U.S. military forces in the Vietnam War from 1968 to 1972. Highly mobile, designed for modern armored ground warfare,[10] the M1 is well armed and heavily armored. Notable features include the use of a powerful gas turbine engine (multifuel capable, usually fueled with JP8 jet fuel), the adoption of sophisticated composite armor, and separate ammunition storage in a blow-out compartment for crew safety. Weighing nearly 68 short tons (almost 62 metric tons), it is one of the heaviest main battle tanks in service.
The M1 Abrams entered U.S. service in 1980, replacing the M60 tank.[11] It served for over a decade alongside the improved M60A3, which had entered service in 1978. The M1 remains the principal main battle tank of the United States Army and Marine Corps, and the armies of Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Australia, and Iraq.
Three main versions of the M1 Abrams have been deployed, the M1, M1A1, and M1A2, incorporating improved armament, protection and electronics. These improvements, as well as periodic upgrades to older tanks, have allowed this long-serving vehicle to remain in front-line service. As of 2009, the M1A3 was under development.[12]


The M1 Abrams was developed during the Cold War as a successor to the canceled MBT-70. The M1 Abrams contract went to Chrysler Defense and was the first vehicle to adopt Chobham armor. Adaptations before the Persian Gulf War (Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm) gave the vehicle better firepower and NBC (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical) protection. Being vastly superior to Iraqi tanks, very few M1 tanks were hit by enemy fire. Upgrades after the war improved the tank's weapons sights and fire control unit. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 destroyed Iraq's military. The subsequent insurgency exposed the tanks' vulnerability to rocket-propelled grenades and mines. These problems were partially rectified with the TUSK modification. The Marine Corps sent a company of M1A1 Abrams to Afghanistan in late 2010.


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The first attempt to replace the aging M60 tank was the MBT-70, developed in partnership with West Germany in the 1960s. The MBT-70 had advanced features such as a height-adjustable pneumatic suspension and a very small body with the driver in a turret design that allowed the driver to always face the direction of travel. The MBT-70 ultimately proved to be too heavy, complex, and expensive. As a result of the imminent failure of this project, the U.S. Army introduced the XM803, using some technologies from the MBT-70 but removing some of the more troublesome. This succeeded only in producing an expensive system with capabilities similar to the M60.[13]
An XM1 Abrams, during a demonstration at Fort Knox, Kentucky in 1979
Congress canceled the MBT-70 in November and XM803 December 1971, and redistributed the funds to the new XM815, later renamed the XM1 Abrams after General Creighton Abrams. Prototypes were delivered in 1976 by Chrysler Defense and General Motors armed with the license-built version of the 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 gun along with a Leopard 2 for comparison. The turbine-powered Chrysler Defense design was selected for development as the M1; Chrysler had significant experience designing turbine-powered land vehicles going back to the 1950s. In March 1982, General Dynamics Land Systems Division (GDLS) purchased Chrysler Defense, after Chrysler built over 1,000 M1s.[citation needed]
A total of 3,273 M1 Abrams were produced 1979–85 and first entered U.S. Army service in 1980. Production at the government-owned, GDLS-operated Lima Army Tank Plant in Lima, Ohio, was joined by vehicles built at the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant in Warren, Michigan from 1982 to 1996.[2] The M1 was armed with the license-built version of the 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 gun. An improved model called the M1IP was produced briefly in 1984 and contained small upgrades. The M1IP models were used in the Canadian Army Trophy NATO tank gunnery competition in 1985 and 1987.


Like if u got some info about it, So i wonder if world of tanks puted it tier 11 Heavy American tank

Man_Of_HavoK #2 Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:48 PM

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Umm i am thinking of why people are disliking it?

Darkherring #3 Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:52 PM

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Yeah... sure... So let's give T-90 for Russians, Challenger2 for British, etc. It would be so fun in shooting with over 800mm penetration into Maus, and penetrating it with no problem into UFP.
Guys... think before you post...there has been incredible advancement in military technology throughout 60s-90s... You cannot put those tanks against each other.

Armedman #4 Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

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View PostDarkherring, on 20 November 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Yeah... sure... So let's give T-90 for Russians, Challenger2 for British, etc. It would be so fun in shooting with over 800mm penetration into Maus, and penetrating it with no problem into UFP.
Guys... think before you post...there has been incredible advancement in military technology throughout 60s-90s... You cannot put those tanks against each other.
But he said Tier 11 or tier 12, u dont know what will put in those big tiers, some people saying is-7 will be tier 12 with the auto loader gun

AaMelon #5 Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:05 PM

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Then look at Leopard 1, T-62A, they were developed in the 60's but were rebalanced because them being a MBT, why not just do it with the abrams too? After all WG said it themself, they didn't create a game about tanks only in WW2. But again they fail like they usually do.
wow, 6 negreppers didn't even understand the text.
It was sarcastic meant.

Edited by Aa_Melon, 26 November 2013 - 05:21 PM.


Hopeinen #6 Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:14 AM

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There is not a single gun in the game that could penetrate the M1A2 frontally, and the M1A2 with its 120mm gun could kill anything in the game with ease.

Tier 11(or 12) would be the sorts of T-72A and M60A1/A3 if we look at how the tech trees are going now. M1A2 would be Tier 14 or 15, the original M1(with the 105mm gun) being maybe a Tier 12 or 13.

PERKOZ93 #7 Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:43 PM

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View PostHopeinen, on 21 November 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

There is not a single gun in the game that could penetrate the M1A2 frontally, and the M1A2 with its 120mm gun could kill anything in the game with ease.

Tier 11(or 12) would be the sorts of T-72A and M60A1/A3 if we look at how the tech trees are going now. M1A2 would be Tier 14 or 15, the original M1(with the 105mm gun) being maybe a Tier 12 or 13.


Paper rear and side, and big WS on turret ;) http://pl.wikipedia....transparent.png

Mr_Sukebe #8 Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:25 PM

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I've asked this several times.  I see absolutely no reason why WG couldn't introduce Tier11 and 12 tanks.
I personally don't see an M1 being tier 11 unless it's downgraded a bit.  So for example, maybe it could have the good armour, speed and the equivalent of the L7 105mm.  That to me would make some sense.  Then have the upgraded 120mm at Tier 12.
That would then give room for other vehicles including:
- Leopard 1 upgraded and Leopard 2 (Tiers 11 and 12)
- T72/82/90 (can't say I genuinely understand the differences, but someone in WG will)
- Challenger 1 and 2
etc

Blue_Badger #9 Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:34 PM

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The feasiblity would depend on the variant he is suggesting is added.

M1 --> perhaps, at a stretch, tier 12. L7, massive armour but still mostly analogue. M1A1 and A2 and A2sep forget it, your smoking something weird. There would have to be a later version of the M60 at tier 11 though.

Hopeinen #10 Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:39 PM

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Generation of tanks from 60s on wards would require their own game modes, i would not call the M1A2 to have "paper" sides as far as the penetration values go in the WoT, because even the low-end RPGs and old(export T-72) tank guns can still quite easily penetrate the sides of the M1a1 there is few tanks in this game that could achieve it, even with premium ammo.

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Cpt_Blue #11 Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:49 AM

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NO need to add modern tanks to the game. Also the title of the thread M2A1, seriously, and no wikipedia cut and paste.

suvicze #12 Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:56 PM

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Its completely stupid.. For me its not that I couldnt live with T11/12 tank from 1960+ in game. Problem is that those tanks would be just so downgraded that in the end it would be completely different tank except apparence..and thats what I really dont want to see.... Look at it now.. We have tanks like Leopard 1.. M48 patton, T62a even M60patton as T10 premium for clanwars. If those tanks would be in game as they were in real they would just stomped any other tank... They would hit you during full speed on 300m range no problem(in game environment)...IS7 would be unpenetrable from the front with all oldschool tanks and would be running at 60km/h...Not to mention they would have to adjust the engine to support armor from different materials with different durability.. because those modern tanks wasnt made from same materials as tanks during WW2..

Syned #13 Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:46 PM

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just put a custom skin on one of your tier 10 mediums or lots of custom skins for them all and watch a "modern" battle. It is hard enough trying to get the chieftain (even the prototype) considered for the Brits (not a long shot really what with the leopard) without crazy chobam armored tanks with smoothbore, missile firing, infra red sighted, depleted uranium APFDS firing tanks.

when they say it isnt just a game for WWII tanks they mean they are including korea and vietnam for example...




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