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Hammerbolt #61 Posted 12 April 2011 - 01:35 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 12 April 2011 - 11:45 AM, said:

Japanese and italian tanks where the first production tanks who used diesel engines

you gotta give them credit ;)

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View PostSgt_Steiner, on 11 April 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

why the devil are we getting a french tank tree when the obvious choices would be British first or Italian?

the French were out WW2 in the first round (as would us Brits have been if it were not for the fact we are an island), where as us Brits were there till the end and italy were around in some capacity on both sides of the axis allies divide,
i freely admit that British tanks were often seen as "inferior" but so were USA tanks, i believe this was so because these country's had no genuine battlefield test ground for tanks unlike Germany and Russia who were slugging it out big time which allowed for proper in the field feedback,

the French tank tree is filled with tanks that were never more than drawings or test subjects from pre-war and a few (which were actualy good tanks but used with terrible tactics)

Britian has a whole list of tanks that were actualy used in numerous areas of the war,

TANKS, Churchill black prince, Churchill Avre, Comet, Valentine, Matilda,the crusader series, Cromwell, Challenger!!!

TANK DESTROYERS, Archer, Deacon,

SPG's, Sexton, Bishop,

LIGHT tanks/scouts, Daimler, Tetriarch,

and these are just a few that ACTUALY seen action in the war, ive not included ANY that were on the drawing board and did'nt make it for whatever reasons!!!



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Leo2A4T90 #63 Posted 16 December 2011 - 04:46 PM

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LOOOl most of you are so foolish xD you have not very much idea of tanks, arent you? You dumb ignorance makes my sick pah! japan had very good experimental stuff that will kick ass haha now you are loughting about them, then when they come you will cry thats for sure :D
and italians P26/40 was good tank also Japans Typ 4 and Typ 5 HO RI etc etc.
btw. the first plans for an real tank with tracks and a fully rotating turret comes from austro-hungary the Burstyn Motorgeschütz from 1911(search for it) they also built the firs armored cars ever! LEARN ABOUT TANKS HISTORY. ps: if you guys are not to ignorant for that...or arrogance i dont know what it is and whats wrong with you......

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To be brutally honest with you, I think French tanks are far superior to British tanks and as Theta said, incredibly underrated...

Hammerbolt #65 Posted 16 December 2011 - 05:12 PM

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View PostUMM, on 16 December 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

To be brutally honest with you, I think French tanks are far superior to British tanks and as Theta said, incredibly underrated...

The brits got scr$wed by the continuous use of the 2pdr...

Battledragon #66 Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:20 PM

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Yeah, it took way to long to develop bigger guns.  the 6pdr was really needed in 1940, and didn't arrive until 1942.  and the 17pdr was needed in 1942-43 and didn't come into use on tanks until 1944 and even then only as a cludge installation in a converted Sherman, or on the A30 Challenger, which was basically a stretch Cromwell and very rare (only a few hundred built).

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View PostBoddiker, on 11 April 2011 - 02:33 PM, said:

Isn't it obvious?

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First time I've seen this thread, so you'll forgive me on the latness of pulling you up on this, but:


That's a bloody German(ish) tank!
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Kinda...

timer67 #68 Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:31 AM

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Who the hell said that the french had better post 1940 tanks?

one word Centurion

For reference
- Battle of the Imjin River (1951)
- Battle of the Hook (1953)
and probably most famously
- Battle of "The Valley of Tears" (1973)

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during the war, Meh.. We didn't have the best designs that for sure
The Firefly was nice (but obviously not our tank to start with) And the Black Prince would have been good

Hammerbolt #69 Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:19 PM

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View Posttimer67, on 17 December 2011 - 03:31 AM, said:

Who the hell said that the french had better post 1940 tanks?

Post war, UK tanks had the best armor AND gun of any tank, right till t
he M1A1 showed up, and even then, the Challenger II still is on top list.

Listy #70 Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:58 PM

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View PostHammerbolt, on 17 December 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

Post war, UK tanks had the best armor AND gun of any tank, right till t
he M1A1 showed up, and even then, the Challenger II still is on top list.

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Hammerbolt #71 Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:21 PM

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View PostListy, on 17 December 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

:D
*snip video*

Badass  :Smile-playing:

And the people who go all gaga at the M1 should do well to remember that:
-it's gas turbine drinks fuel at a massive rate, which means US armor units need more logistic support
-it's gun is not american; it's an american version of the same gun of the Leopard
-it's Chobham armor was invent in the UK;

Battledragon #72 Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:11 PM

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And Challenger 2 has Dorchester armour (chobham mark 2) and a rifled gun which gives it 50% more accurate range.  longest range tank V tank kill in history, was made by a Challenger.  Also the rifled gun can fire HESH rounds, this means it can kill other things besides tanks, the Abrams has no HE round!

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View PostBattledragon, on 18 December 2011 - 02:11 PM, said:

And Challenger 2 has Dorchester armour (chobham mark 2) and a rifled gun which gives it 50% more accurate range.  longest range tank V tank kill in history, was made by a Challenger.  Also the rifled gun can fire HESH rounds, this means it can kill other things besides tanks, the Abrams has no HE round!

About that... the Challenger's gun is in big trouble. There are serious plans to replace it for a variant of the Leopard's gun; and one of the reasons is that the firm that makes the HESH rounds is going under...

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View PostHammerbolt, on 18 December 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

About that... the Challenger's gun is in big trouble. There are serious plans to replace it for a variant of the Leopard's gun; and one of the reasons is that the firm that makes the HESH rounds is going under...

There an article on this anywhere?

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Hammerbolt, Listy and Timer67 i would like to thank you all for your fantastic contributions to this thread and your support of the British Forces,

Timer67, CENTURION, now there's a tier 10 if ever i seen one, and if the type 59 fits the games criteria im bloody well certain this beast is more than fitting for the game!!!

listy GREAT video m8 :)

Hammerbolt, great information which is spot on, im sick to death of looking at tank vids on Utube and seeing americans praise the almighty M1 abrahms which is German firepower, British composite armour and a typicly american "gas" munching engine!!!

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View PostEbeneezergoode, on 18 December 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

There an article on this anywhere?

Yeah, but I'm having a "#$% of a time finding this... it's 2-4 years old :(

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Going back to the french:

The french army's main problem was doctrine, not equipment. As anyone can see, the 2 main french tanks (S35 and B1-bis), in the hands of a properly trained crew, could kill any german tank with ease, while being almost impossible to kill by the same tanks. German's superior training, tactics and planing carried the day.

And the brits, in 1940, found themselves backed to a corner. They needed tanks and guns now, not 6 months away. So the 5pdr, which was ready, but not for production, was set aside in favour of the available-right-now 2pdr. And the 17pdr was too big for the existing tanks...

French designers had the time, during 1940-1945, to come up with any number of ideas. They didn't have a desperate army breathing down their neck, screaming for "moar tanks now!!!". So what if they wasted time designing new toys, of remaking pre-war ones?

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View PostHammerbolt, on 18 December 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yeah, but I'm having a "#$% of a time finding this... it's 2-4 years old :(

Because its not going to happen. the whole Idea of the smoothbore was cheaper ammo. Ammo in a CR2 is split piece, the smoothbore round is one piece. You can't store the same ammo in the same tank, so that would require an entirely new turret, which is more expensive than the ammo savings.

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View Postsgt_steiner, on 18 December 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

listy GREAT video m8 :)

Have some more:


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