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Tazilon #81 Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

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View Post3Form, on 11 January 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:


Hang on, you start this thread because there is a terrible problem with light tanks that needs fixing, but now the VK2801 is fine because you can kill Chaffees? I don't understand what you mean by this. I'm saying Chaffee is OP on open maps because good spotting allows your team to dominate the enemy. This is compounded because 9/10 LT drivers are shite and die in the first 2 minutes, so when the enemy has no way to spot you there is nothing they can do.

I'm sure you can do the same thing in a VK2801, I just speak from the position of not having a lot of games in any other scout than the M24.

I carry harder in the M24 solo than I do in any other tank, even any other tank platooned. In my mind I can equate that only with it being OP since I'm not a godlike player.

 


Longest view range was on the Chaffee at 403m. This was far less than the 420m on the M46 Patton so I'm not really sure you are correct when you say that for a long time the scouts had the best view ranges. As far as I know they never did!

T-50-2 and VK had between 390 and 400 I believe? IS-7 has 400m, Maus 400m...

 

 

As I said , the Chaffee is not OPd on anything.  It is an above average tank but not a great one.


Edited by Tazilon, 13 January 2014 - 05:54 PM.


Tazilon #82 Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:40 PM

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View PostBoletusLuridus, on 11 January 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:


Chaffee will rape VKs from 200 metres while they keep missing with their pathetic gun...

 

 

In my 30K games in my 28.01, I haven't had that experience.  Chaffees = XP 



3Form #83 Posted 11 January 2014 - 11:14 PM

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Well like I said, most LT drivers are straight up bad, so it's no surprise you trounce them :)

Noo_Noo #84 Posted 12 January 2014 - 08:31 PM

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Teh way I see it's going they might as well drop the idea of getting "points" for spotting and mount light tanks with a worthwhile cannon. 

 

Give them something to work with is all I ask. 



madmatone #85 Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:48 PM

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View PostTazilon, on 15 December 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

(by the way - where is that RU-251 we were promised a year ago when the 28.01 got mega-nerfed?)

Is There Hope?

There is not.

Ever since the 1st unnecessary VK28.01 downgrade.

Sadly.



Tazilon #86 Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:55 PM

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View Postmadmatone, on 13 January 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

There is not.

Ever since the 1st unnecessary VK28.01 downgrade.

Sadly.

 

actually, Wargaming just re-confirmed the RU-251 as the upcoming Tier VIII German scout.  The only question is how very, very long will that take?


Edited by Tazilon, 13 January 2014 - 05:56 PM.


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View PostTazilon, on 13 January 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

actually, Wargaming just re-confirmed the RU-251 as the upcoming Tier VIII German scout.  The only question is how very, very long will that take?

 

Those confirmations... at the current pace it's gonna be years if at all.

 

I have more hopes for the other game.

Without breaking the NDA (as it has been said in public chat/stream): Recon for artillery AND planes, smoke screens, visible equipment, unlimited drawing distance and maps that deserve the name are strong points for me to at least have hope.



Zarax999 #88 Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:38 AM

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Well guys, if you want buffs you have to ask WG historical ones.

Here's the list from my research: http://zxhistory.blo...-ii-series.html

I have some contacts that might listen but remember that in most cases there would be trade-offs but that's all stuff they will at least consider.

 

As you're much better light tank players than me I'd welcome your suggestions.



Tazilon #89 Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:07 PM

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View PostZarax999, on 15 January 2014 - 08:38 AM, said:

Well guys, if you want buffs you have to ask WG historical ones.

Here's the list from my research: http://zxhistory.blo...-ii-series.html

I have some contacts that might listen but remember that in most cases there would be trade-offs but that's all stuff they will at least consider.

 

As you're much better light tank players than me I'd welcome your suggestions.

 

 

Zarax, this game is so ahistorical it is funny.  The game is LOOSELY based on actual tanks but that is it.  Many of the tanks never existed even as prototypes.  As engineers and designers frequently find out, the calculus behind the "if we make it like this it will do this" and the actual performance they end up with is often way off.  Wargaming should just make tanks which are balanced and somewhat unique and forget the "this is historical " hoax.

 


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Zarax999 #90 Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:42 PM

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Tazilon, I'm offering you a tiny chance of doing more than complaining, it's up to you.

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View PostTazilon, on 20 December 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

 

 

What you are saying is that Wargaming has screwed up their game and need to backstep and fix it.

 

 - Lights should go faster than any tank they face.

 

 - Lights should have slightly higher View Ranges than the tanks they face.   Believe it or not, the scout Tank did NOT do the scouting for their unit.  They were there to support the wheeled, armored vehicles which were there to over watch the actual Scout - a Jeep or similar type vehicle.  Closed turret or not didn't affect the Scout unit's ability to spot - because the REAL spotters were in small mobile 4WD vehicles - the Scout tanks simply supported the real spotters.  Thus giving scout tanks slightly higher View Ranges would portray the inclusion of those spotters with the Scout tank.

 

- Environmental Camo should return to how it used to be and Mediums/TDs should be harder to hide than their smaller brethren in Scout tanks.

 

Those 3 changes fix scouting.

 

 

You don´t like that light tanks are currently useless?

 

 

"Don´t drive light tanks!"



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View PostStatpadderer, on 16 January 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

You don´t like that light tanks are currently useless?

 

 

"Don´t drive light tanks!"


Stupid comment. It's not unreasonable for Light Tank drivers to want the same kind of balancing priority as other tank classes. I think Taz is making some very valid, well thought out points.



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View PostStatpadderer, on 16 January 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

You don´t like that light tanks are currently useless?

 

 

"Don´t drive light tanks!"


Yes. Lets all drive stupid heavies like KV-1S or TD's like ISU 152 or Foch 155. The game should become much more interesting after that...

If you tryied to act like SerB then the joke failed,if not...

View PostBurty61, on 16 January 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Stupid comment.


Edited by dr_Hannibalus, 17 January 2014 - 11:57 AM.


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View PostBoletusLuridus, on 11 January 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:


Chaffee will rape VKs from 200 metres while they keep missing with their pathetic gun...

As you may have reason to think that Tazilon finds killing anything easy, I will tell you that I am an awful player but I still almost assume that I will kill an enemy Chaffee when I see it nearby.  The derpgun messes them up in all sorts of horrible ways and the high-speed hug which follows it is even funnier.

P.S.  Yes, this is almost the first time I've actually decided to post rather than lurk; you were just so wrong that I couldn't resist.


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View Post3Form, on 11 January 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Well like I said, most LT drivers are straight up bad, so it's no surprise you trounce them :)

I can say that tier 7-10 is **** up bad these days. There are many games where i spot 30sec-2 min some tanks and nothing happens(maybe some 1k-2k spotting dmg).  With heavy tanks i can control the game. With light tanks i have to pray that some people follow me but hold distance and shoot. Light tanks depends more on good team. 


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View Postindu, on 18 January 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

I can say that tier 7-10 is **** up bad these days. There are many games where i spot 30sec-2 min some tanks and nothing happens(maybe some 1k-2k spotting dmg).  With heavy tanks i can control the game. With light tanks i have to pray that some people follow me but hold distance and shoot. Light tanks depends more on good team. 

So true. Most of my spotting is worth nothing since most of the player don't mind shooting at them or miss miserably...






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