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Community #1 Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:02 PM

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The_Challenger takes a look at how the island nation of Japan came to build tanks.

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DiviNe187 #2 Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

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We don't care. Bring us the patch, and give us the damn x2 on every battle for the IS6.

 

You can post this BS, you can surely post something about compensating us.



Siimcy_ #3 Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

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So you got the time to post this but still not an estimated date about the VKs? Awesome.

 

Inb4soon, you can say next week or next year in January, how hard can that be?



nejc #4 Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:36 PM

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View PostDiviNe187, on 21 December 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

We don't care. Bring us the patch, and give us the damn x2 on every battle for the IS6.

 

You can post this BS, you can surely post something about compensating us.

 

Oh the horror you learned something new about history.....



JOHNY_MASTER #5 Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:41 PM

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Tank made of paper.

DiviNe187 #6 Posted 21 December 2013 - 05:02 PM

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View Postnejc, on 21 December 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

Oh the horror you learned something new about history.....

 

If i want to learn something i will dive into history books. Now i just want the damn patch so i can grind 100k for the IS6, i dont like imaginary content in missions.

 

Also, if they have the time to write up articles like that, without "spelling errors" Then im sure they have some time to get the IS6 issue sorted instead of being silent about it like a ****



ThunderboltZ #7 Posted 21 December 2013 - 05:03 PM

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History ...

 

 

...is so exciting! :tongue:

 

EDIT: Dem neg reps, did i say something negative here ?


Edited by ThunderboltZ, 23 December 2013 - 10:22 AM.


Baabke #8 Posted 21 December 2013 - 05:24 PM

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View PostSiimcy_, on 21 December 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

So you got the time to post this but still not an estimated date about the VKs? Awesome.

 

Inb4soon, you can say next week or next year in January, how hard can that be?


They are waiting for the russians,coz we cant have anything before the russians :/



StinkyCamper #9 Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Oh no ! Wargaming let us down for the first time !

alex_balea84 #10 Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:06 PM

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I'm grateful for this fantastic description. I've read the description of the tanks you've listed on wikipedia and I have read a book listing all the tanks until 1990 in alphabetical order. Both of this sources lacked context which you've provided fully considering the scale of the article. Nice job! Thank you!

para4502 #11 Posted 21 December 2013 - 10:06 PM

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Alex, I really hope that was sarcasm! 

TheKroo #12 Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:44 AM

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View PostDiviNe187, on 21 December 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

We don't care. Bring us the patch, and give us the damn x2 on every battle for the IS6.

 

You can post this BS, you can surely post something about compensating us.

 

We have different departments for different projects, not everyone in the company has the same skills nor is everyone fitting to carry out identical tasks.

Certain things regarding the game are done by the developers and programmers, some things are done by community team, others by customer support and this article was written by the Military Specialist Team. No resources were taken away from the patch development. Furthermore it is really not that far away, it is coming out on Monday :)

 

For analogy's sake it is like with civil service; You have Fire Department and You have Police Department.

Firemen are not tasked with handing out tickets and catching criminals and Police officers are not fit to put out fires, even though both dept. are part of civil service.

 

If you would task all civil service employees to patrol the streets, you would have no one to put out the fires and vice versa.

 

View PostDiviNe187, on 21 December 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

 

If i want to learn something i will dive into history books. Now i just want the damn patch so i can grind 100k for the IS6, i dont like imaginary content in missions.

 

Also, if they have the time to write up articles like that, without "spelling errors" Then im sure they have some time to get the IS6 issue sorted instead of being silent about it like a ****

 

I am sorry you are not interested in the article, but I am sure there are people who indeed are interested.

Not everyone has the resources, both financial or time based to "dive" into history books to read something about the vehicles that are just to come.

That is why we have taken the effort to pick out and summarize all the info we deemed would be interesting and nice to read in order to learn something new about the tanks you are about to get a chance to play.

 

View Postalex_balea84, on 21 December 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I'm grateful for this fantastic description. I've read the description of the tanks you've listed on wikipedia and I have read a book listing all the tanks until 1990 in alphabetical order. Both of this sources lacked context which you've provided fully considering the scale of the article. Nice job! Thank you!

 

This is really nice to read :)



Schneewolf #13 Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:32 AM

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fail just copy pasted from wickey 4 real get some real historian writing something original .. which cpted in 1/2 an hour cant be put together

CaptianNemo #14 Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:55 AM

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I do know a good dozen tank experts who regularly do amazing things. They always impress me with their knowledge and expertise. History is interesting. Sometimes it is more interesting then the object being viewed. In this case it is a tank. The story behind it and around it is just the tip of the iceberg that is all most people ever get to see. I have seen what is below the waterline and even written about it before and will do so again.

 

Just when you think the story has been told... you uncover the rest of the story.

 

NEMO.



Sevenatenine #15 Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:00 AM

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Good analysis of the Japanese tank development including the use of foreign seed technology. You may want to expand on this. For example, I don't see any Shermans and Grants in the Russian or British tree. I understand they further modified the tanks to suit their needs.This might make some interesting variants. You might also expand by adding some other national trees also. For instance the Italians had some interesting tanks that they never really fielded.Even the Romanians had some interesting stuff. I know that it is a little problematic. But I thought that I would throw that out.

Edited by Sevenatenine, 22 December 2013 - 10:01 AM.


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View PostHunter1911, on 22 December 2013 - 12:44 AM, said:

 

We have different departments for different projects, not everyone in the company has the same skills nor is everyone fitting to carry out identical tasks.

Certain things regarding the game are done by the developers and programmers, some things are done by community team, others by customer support and this article was written by the Military Specialist Team. No resources were taken away from the patch development. Furthermore it is really not that far away, it is coming out in Monday :)

 

For analogy's sake it is like with civil service; You have Fire Department and You have Police Department.

Firemen are not tasked with handing out tickets and catching criminals and Police officers are not fit to put out fires, even though both dept. are part of civil service.

 

If you would task all civil service employees to patrol the streets, you would have no one to put out the fires and vice versa.

 

 

I am sorry you are not interested in the article, but I am sure there are people who indeed are interested.

Not everyone has the resources, both financial or time based to "dive" into history books to read something about the vehicles that are just to come.

That is why we have taken the effort to pick out and summarize all the info we deemed would be interesting and nice to read in order to learn something new about the tanks you are about to get a chance to play.

 

 

This is really nice to read :)

 

 

Apologies if i sound rude, but if it takes a whole department to leech some info off the book japanese tanks from Steven Zaloga and change 2-3 sentences to make it look like you did "research" then sure, whatever suits your need.

 

What i am curious about is that you have a "department' that copy pastes books as news posts and call it doing research but you dont have at least 1 single person checking  "advertising news posts" for incorrect info, spelling or whatever. Also, what department there does the apologies? Because the only thing i saw was some poor fella drawing the short straw and had to go and yell sorry on the forums about the big screwup WG made with the 2x xp on every battle not counting on the IS6 mission, where alot of people cannot even find it and will never see it. Just a ninja backedit and some new news posts hoping people will forget is all we get from that "department"

 

Remember, we do pay your wages, you should go tell that to your co-"Department"



Murphy1up #17 Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:36 AM

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View PostDiviNe187, on 23 December 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

 

 

Apologies if i sound rude, but if it takes a whole department to leech some info off the book japanese tanks from Steven Zaloga and change 2-3 sentences to make it look like you did "research" then sure, whatever suits your need.

 

What i am curious about is that you have a "department' that copy pastes books as news posts and call it doing research but you dont have at least 1 single person checking  "advertising news posts" for incorrect info, spelling or whatever. Also, what department there does the apologies? Because the only thing i saw was some poor fella drawing the short straw and had to go and yell sorry on the forums about the big screwup WG made with the 2x xp on every battle not counting on the IS6 mission, where alot of people cannot even find it and will never see it. Just a ninja backedit and some new news posts hoping people will forget is all we get from that "department"

 

Remember, we do pay your wages, you should go tell that to your co-"Department"

 

We've requested that for any future changes to portal news, what is changed is more obvious along with a short explanation why if possible.

 

When you start a sentence with "Apologies if I sound rude" it's like starting a sentence with "No offence, but..."  - You know what you're about to say is hostile so sometimes it's better not saying it or thinking how to work it better. Adding it in with any kind of ending like "we pay your wages" always comes across as you're talking down to the person you're asking for help from and is very condescending. Being on the receiving end of a comment like that is not appreciated under any circumstances.

 

There is limits to what some of us can and can't do within out roles. We pass on information and suggestions to the relevant departments regarding issues that affect players. We're sorry that the information was changed the way it was. Discussing our company's internal processes is not something for the forums and as always if there is players who feel they can do a better job then by all means apply for a position in our office and show us.



The_Challenger #18 Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:16 PM

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View PostDiviNe187, on 23 December 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

 

 

Apologies if i sound rude, but if it takes a whole department to leech some info off the book japanese tanks from Steven Zaloga and change 2-3 sentences to make it look like you did "research" then sure, whatever suits your need.

 

What i am curious about is that you have a "department' that copy pastes books as news posts and call it doing research but you dont have at least 1 single person checking  "advertising news posts" for incorrect info, spelling or whatever. Also, what department there does the apologies? Because the only thing i saw was some poor fella drawing the short straw and had to go and yell sorry on the forums about the big screwup WG made with the 2x xp on every battle not counting on the IS6 mission, where alot of people cannot even find it and will never see it. Just a ninja backedit and some new news posts hoping people will forget is all we get from that "department"

 

Remember, we do pay your wages, you should go tell that to your co-"Department"

 

A question for you, where in the article does it say "research" ? You can see clearly at the bottom the "sources" otherwise it would simply be plagiarism. It was intended as a simple, easy to read concise article utilizing information gained from some of the top researchers in the field. 

 

As for your other points, really not the right thread, but no, the Military department, do not check spelling on all posts, as we do not answer tickets or sell gold etc etc. 

 

I take your points and will ensure they are passed onto the correct department. 

 

PS, If you are a British subject and a tax payer you were also helping to pay my wages for the thirty years service in the Army. Did you always agree with every Governmental decision made to deploy the Army. 

 

 

 


Edited by The_Challenger, 23 December 2013 - 12:20 PM.


ryry #19 Posted 27 December 2013 - 05:26 PM

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oh WoT community, what you lack in social skills you make up for in lack of social skills.

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For what it's worth I liked the article, ive picked up lots of interesting historical bits and pieces from wot I wouldn't have stumbled upon otherwise (wandering off to Wikipedia and discovering knispel was one cool dude, for example) and the jap tanks piece was no exception.

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Don't stop doing the fluff pieces, the haters are generally just louder than the guys who appreciate these little things.


Edited by ryry, 27 December 2013 - 05:26 PM.


laceleste #20 Posted 01 January 2014 - 08:07 PM

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I for one appreciate these kinds of educatinal documentaries very much, thanks heaps.




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