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rodhette #1 Posted 21 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

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I have to whine a bit, let off some steam.

 

I really, really wish WG wouldn't have made gold ammo available for credits. I mean, shooting a t-34-1 with gold? Is that really necessary? I've stopped playing tanks that depends on armor as most people use auto-aim and gold to just roflstomp you. Good job on unbalacing the entire game, WG. Good job...

 

Anyway, I think that what we are seeing now is the following:

 

"Let's see, I wanna play ma KV-1s and stomp some noobs"

"Hey, what is that - 50000000 pen and only 4000 credits per shot?"

"LOLZLOLZOLZZOZLZLZ!!! - let's kill some tenks!"



Ragwin #2 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:07 PM

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I think they should allow premium ammo for mixed tier matches but disallow it for same tier matches.

1ncompetenc3 #3 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:07 PM

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View PostRagwin, on 21 December 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

I think they should allow premium ammo for mixed tier matches but disallow it for same tier matches.


What does that even mean?



AngryBanana #4 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:09 PM

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View PostVonnis, on 21 December 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:


What does that even mean?

that tanks that are top tier cant use gold ammo.



Ganscs #5 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:09 PM

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What are you surprised of when even the unicum players are calling that balancebreaker an 'asset' and they are perfectly fine with when it penetrates E-100's through the gun mantlet and it's obviously the E-100's fault for

  1. Not driving some 'carry tank'
  2. Not angling his turret
  3. Dare to trying use his armor believing it will work, 'don't get hit FFS', lol

 



Homer_J #6 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:20 PM

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View Postrodhette, on 21 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

 most people use auto-aim and gold to just roflstomp you.

 

Can you back this up with just one replay showing you using gold premium ammo and autoaim to roflstomp.

 

Go on, it must be so easy.



AngryBanana #7 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:29 PM

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View PostGanscs, on 21 December 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

What are you surprised of when even the unicum players are calling that balancebreaker an 'asset' and they are perfectly fine with when it penetrates E-100's through the gun mantlet and it's obviously the E-100's fault for

  1. Not driving some 'carry tank'
  2. Not angling his turret
  3. Dare to trying use his armor believing it will work, 'don't get hit FFS', lol

 

AHAHAHAHA

firstly, E100 is a carry tank, secondly someone not angling his turret in E100 is stupid, and thirdly armor does work, especially on E100. Not saying goldammo isnt gamebreaking but what you said is BS.

 



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View Postrodhette, on 21 December 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

I have to whine a bit, let off some steam.

 

I really, really wish WG wouldn't have made gold ammo available for credits. I mean, shooting a t-34-1 with gold? Is that really necessary? I've stopped playing tanks that depends on armor as most people use auto-aim and gold to just roflstomp you. Good job on unbalacing the entire game, WG. Good job...

 

Anyway, I think that what we are seeing now is the following:

 

"Let's see, I wanna play ma KV-1s and stomp some noobs"

"Hey, what is that - 50000000 pen and only 4000 credits per shot?"

"LOLZLOLZOLZZOZLZLZ!!! - let's kill some tenks!"

 

Can be bought with credits so the term 'gold ammo' is outdated. KV-1S goes from 175 mm to 217 mm penetration. Hardly a game breaker. Tier X is the problem, and some Tier IX (T-54 for example).



rodhette #9 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:37 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 21 December 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

 

Can you back this up with just one replay showing you using gold premium ammo and autoaim to roflstomp.

 

Go on, it must be so easy.


Challenge accepted.



Ganscs #10 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:40 PM

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View PostAngryBanana, on 21 December 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

AHAHAHAHA

firstly, E100 is a carry tank, secondly someone not angling his turret in E100 is stupid, and thirdly armor does work, especially on E100. Not saying goldammo isnt gamebreaking but what you said is BS.

 

Um, no :P E-100 is too slow to be a proper carry tank in my opinion although it can hold chokepoints very well, you can't keep your turret angled every time unless you never shoot back, and armor indeed does work, sometimes when you are blessed with godly position and godawful opponents.



wims80 #11 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:42 PM

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The E100 is benefitting heavily from premium ammo. Premium ammo makes the gun usable, and the gun was its biggest weakness (no pen).

Edited by wims80, 22 December 2013 - 12:59 AM.


rodhette #12 Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:44 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 21 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

 

Can be bought with credits so the term 'gold ammo' is outdated. KV-1S goes from 175 mm to 217 mm penetration. Hardly a game breaker. Tier X is the problem, and some Tier IX (T-54 for example).


Well, the KV-1s might have been a bad example, it's doesn't need gold ammo (call it prem ammo if you want, I still think gold ammo better descripes the waste). The point was that when you remove the armor from the equation, we might as well be driving jeeps.



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View PostAngryBanana, on 21 December 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

that tanks that are top tier cant use gold ammo.

That sounds great. I'd love to run out of AP shells in my FV215b and have to resort to HESH when I still have 5 APCR rounds left. And I can't imagine the joy of facing T1 heavies, KV-1s, AT-2s etc in my Matilda IV and being stuck with AP ammo.

 

/sarcasm



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it is not (only)  premium ammo to blaim, that depending on armour on a heavytank is becoming a bad idea more and more.

 

What will be the role of a heavy tank in future.... every new patch there are more and more other kind of tanks that have so much penetration, damage and precision levels that they kill heavy tanks in two shots nowadays already. Japs sniping from next week will make it worse again. 

The combination of more mediumtanks (faster, or high rof) more TD´s with extreme high damage and so on rule all heavys out......  

 

the game is changing a whole lot, and i have bet on the wrong horse. And medium and TD is not my playstyle.

 

 



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View Postrodhette, on 21 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

I have to whine a bit, let off some steam.

 

I really, really wish WG wouldn't have made gold ammo available for credits. I mean, shooting a t-34-1 with gold? Is that really necessary? I've stopped playing tanks that depends on armor as most people use auto-aim and gold to just roflstomp you. Good job on unbalacing the entire game, WG. Good job...

 

Anyway, I think that what we are seeing now is the following:

 

"Let's see, I wanna play ma KV-1s and stomp some noobs"

"Hey, what is that - 50000000 pen and only 4000 credits per shot?"

"LOLZLOLZOLZZOZLZLZ!!! - let's kill some tenks!"

 

Hello friend!

 

I suggest that you learn how to angle your tank mate. I see plenty heavy heavy tank players which does great in randoms, so maybe it is you who is doing something wrong?

 

If you drive around in light tank or something like a batchat, does it really matter what the enemy use? To you I mean? Can't you let him/her shoot premium shells at you if that makes him happy? 

 

Merry christmas!

 

/Youkai

 

 



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I use gold ammo in 128mm Sturer emil gun!

AliceUnchained #17 Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:30 AM

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View Postrodhette, on 21 December 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:


Well, the KV-1s might have been a bad example, it's doesn't need gold ammo (call it prem ammo if you want, I still think gold ammo better descripes the waste). The point was that when you remove the armor from the equation, we might as well be driving jeeps.

 

The KV-1S (amongst others) is a good example to show that premium ammo isn't a problem in general. An increase to 217 mm doesn't take away the necessity to properly aim. It gives lower tiers a fighting chance against +2 tier opponents. It is a problem with tanks that go from having a chance to bounce from weak spots like lower plates to nearly auto-penning upper glacis or front turrets. That's where the balancing issue is. Most noticeably Tier X TD's for example. Or the T-54 and WZ-120, especially when compared to the other Tier IX mediums. 



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The problem with the T-54 is that it only has 201mm of penetration shooting standard ammo. It's very weak for tier 9, I believe it's the worst pen of all the tier 9 tanks. If it had more pen then people wouldn't shoot all those premshells

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View Postwims80, on 22 December 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

The problem with the T-54 is that it only has 201mm of penetration shooting standard ammo. It's very weak for tier 9, I believe it's the worst pen of all the tier 9 tanks. If it had more pen then people wouldn't shoot all those premshells

 

Second gun has 219 mm pf penetration, which is +1 compared to the M46 Patton while having a lower profile and a turret that can actually bounce shots (and better accuracy, although not by much). Still I agree that it is very low, for both. While for T-54 HEAT it is way too high, 330 mm, yet the M46 Patton gets 268 mm using APCR. Balance issue. The increase at Tier X also is too high, allowing mediums to pen frontally for the most part. Again balancing issue. 

 

Premium ammo isn't the issue, the massive differences between nations, tiers and even equal Tier vehicles is. The huge penetration increase at Tier IX and X is.



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I am rarely seeing any of this "Gold Ammo" nonsense you speak of. Maybe it's just me though.

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