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saffron_tank #1 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:34 PM

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Well until recently I thought that Russian bias was a small thing and was really only with the KV-1s and other such similar tanks but after reading this I am not so sure anymore. 

http://ftr.wot-news....7/russian-bias/

Honestly that is disgusting. 



Effing_Drako #2 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:37 PM

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Damn. That is all i have to say

Sugertukas #3 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:41 PM

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What did you expect from russians? If you ask in North Korea who is the best leader in the world, which country is the best in the world we all lknow the answer. Propaganda in Russia is not that much advanced as in North Korea but close enough. If Nazi's wouldn't make strategicaly major mistakes while moving to Moscow in WW2 there wont be Russia anymore.

If first grade students created Tiger and Tiger2 than i would only applause to these students. They were one of the the most dominating tanks in battlefields.


Edited by Sugertukas, 17 January 2014 - 10:43 PM.


bean57 #4 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:43 PM

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Or of course you could just read it in an objective rational, unbiased manner.  He's expressing an opinion not stating fact.  He's a Russian expressing pride in Russian tank technology - god what a heinous crime.  Can't imagine a German or a Britain etc expressing such views of course, they're all such gentlemen after all.  And while we're at it print the whole article in which this extract appeared so we can see the context

Edited by bean57, 17 January 2014 - 10:45 PM.


LM2017 #5 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:54 PM

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I do know that the Germans always choose quality over quantity and you can see it actually today in German cars

they prefer to produce a few really nice machines rather than quickly produce a lot of cheap things

 

 

 



arnorwarrior #6 Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

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View PostSugertukas, on 17 January 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

What did you expect from russians? If you ask in North Korea who is the best leader in the world, which country is the best in the world we all lknow the answer. Propaganda in Russia is not that much advanced as in North Korea but close enough. If Nazi's wouldn't make strategicaly major mistakes while moving to Moscow in WW2 there wont be Russia anymore.

If first grade students created Tiger and Tiger2 than i would only applause to these students. They were one of the the most dominating tanks in battlefields.

If you ask the same questions in the USA, UK, France or Germany for example, you would get the same result. All superpowers consider themselves the best nation in the world, with the best leader. In fact, this isn't even limited to big influential nations, but also happens in almost all smaller nations like Sweden, Poland, Hungary and my own country, the Netherlands.



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I have to say that this article of the russian dude is pretty much bullsh*t, right.

However I cannot imagine that WoT is based on the researches of this man. I mean the main subject were talking about is "russian (soviet) bias" and this game definitely doesnt have any of these "russian OP" stuff. Everyone who thinks of the opposite is just wrong. The only valid argument is the KV-1S but this tank will be nerfed (split) in near future so this isnt an aspect anymore.

Think further and think of WT-E 100, T57, T18. I dont say theyre 100% OP but its just the fact that russian diminance on wot battelfields is decreasing (Obj. 268 nerf). All in all its pretty much okay.

Please guys, dont think there is a russian bias just because of a subjective statement of a random guy (I stll cant believe hes responsible for historical research)

 

Cheers :huh:



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View PostLM2017, on 17 January 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

I do know that the Germans always choose quality over quantity and you can see it actually today in German cars

they prefer to produce a few really nice machines rather than quickly produce a lot of cheap things

 

 

 

 

Please think of Volkswagen: quality + quantity :glasses:



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View PostLM2017, on 17 January 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

I do know that the Germans always choose quality over quantity and you can see it actually today in German cars

they prefer to produce a few really nice machines rather than quickly produce a lot of cheap things

 

 

 


And that tells me that you know little about the car industry.



Sturmtiger_304 #10 Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:09 PM

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View PostRibba, on 17 January 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:


And that tells me that you know little about the car industry.


Yeah, becouse BMW & Opel is the same & their standard level is the same across the board.



arnorwarrior #11 Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:11 PM

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View Postjetpack5, on 17 January 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

I have to say that this article of the russian dude is pretty much bullsh*t, right.

However I cannot imagine that WoT is based on the researches of this man. I mean the main subject were talking about is "russian (soviet) bias" and this game definitely doesnt have any of these "russian OP" stuff. Everyone who thinks of the opposite is just wrong. The only valid argument is the KV-1S but this tank will be nerfed (split) in near future so this isnt an aspect anymore.

Think further and think of WT-E 100, T57, T18. I dont say theyre 100% OP but its just the fact that russian diminance on wot battelfields is decreasing (Obj. 268 nerf). All in all its pretty much okay.

Please guys, dont think there is a russian bias just because of a subjective statement of a random guy (I stll cant believe hes responsible for historical research)

 

Cheers :huh:

 

The "Russian Bias Theory" stems from beta, when Russians were the best on every single tier. However, they aren't anymore, with the T28 nerfed, the KV split in two, tiered up and nerfed multiple times, the KV-3 tiered up with only a health buff, IS nerfed, IS-4 tiered up with only a health buff, IS-7 nerfed, T-50 nerfed multiple times, T50-2 removed, SU-76 and SU-85 nerfed, T-34-85 nerfed, T44 nerfed and T54 nerfed. All these tanks used to be OP/too strong. The fact that it took 2 years to nerf the KV was the main instigator of this. Nowadays, only the KV-1S remains of all those OP tanks, though it wasn't OP before as it faced the KV-3.

 

To be fair, no tank is as unbalanced as it was in those days (KV could easily fight tier 9, while at tier 5) and only the KV-1S remains, but that doesn't suppress the Soviet bias rumors.



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View Postjetpack5, on 17 January 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

 

Please think of Volkswagen: quality + quantity :glasses:

oh dear check this out and listen http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qoyW83fdJi4

View PostRibba, on 17 January 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:


And that tells me that you know little about the car industry.

you too



Ribba #13 Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:25 PM

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View PostLM2017, on 17 January 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

oh dear check this out and listen http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qoyW83fdJi4

you too


Maybe, but I still know a lot more then you do.



jetpack5 #14 Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:30 PM

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View PostLM2017, on 17 January 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

oh dear check this out and listen http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qoyW83fdJi4

you too

 

What do you want us to say with that?

I was talking about CARS, you know what a CAR is? meep meep ?

 



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Surprise surprise...

Motoroilspill #16 Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:38 PM

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Well, I personally think that this right here is the reason why russian tanks are the way they are right now - way too forgiving to mistakes and their only real weaknesses - accuracy can be corrected by RNGesus, are just not relevant (poor radio range on early tiers).

 

He might not be stating any facts here and is only expressing his opinion, but it still tells you quite a bit about him and his subjective opinions which eventually end up  ''helping'' WG with the game. I personally think that subjectivity in history is actually necessary to form your own opinions and theories and not be dependent on historical facts created by other historians, but this is ultimately a game(an arcade game on top of that) which requires balancing - historical or not to be fun , so there is no place for subjectivity(no russian tenk stronk tenk), if something is overperforming it needs to be looked at and changed so it doesn't overperform.



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View PostSturmtiger_304, on 17 January 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:


Yeah, becouse BMW & Opel is the same & their standard level is the same across the board.


That may be true, but still, Opel only sold about 185000 more cars in Europe in 2013. And that includes Vauxhall. But as we know, BMW has huge markets both in North America and in Asia (China). In 2012, BMW sold about 1.55 million cars worldwide, and that is not including MINI's and Rolls-Royces. Opel on the other hand, sold only a little over 1 million cars. I'm not sure if that includes Vauxhalls, but the figures for Vauxhalls is just above 200000.

 

So BMW may be a premium car maker, but it still have a huge production number, just as Audi and Mercedes has.



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View Postarnorwarrior, on 17 January 2014 - 11:11 PM, said:

 

The "Russian Bias Theory" stems from beta, when Russians were the best on every single tier. However, they aren't anymore, with the T28 nerfed, the KV split in two, tiered up and nerfed multiple times, the KV-3 tiered up with only a health buff, IS nerfed, IS-4 tiered up with only a health buff, IS-7 nerfed, T-50 nerfed multiple times, T50-2 removed, SU-76 and SU-85 nerfed, T-34-85 nerfed, T44 nerfed and T54 nerfed. All these tanks used to be OP/too strong. The fact that it took 2 years to nerf the KV was the main instigator of this. Nowadays, only the KV-1S remains of all those OP tanks, though it wasn't OP before as it faced the KV-3.

 

To be fair, no tank is as unbalanced as it was in those days (KV could easily fight tier 9, while at tier 5) and only the KV-1S remains, but that doesn't suppress the Soviet bias rumors.

 

I dont quite understand what are you trying to say here, but if you are saying that "Russian Bias Theory" is just a bunch of BS then you just defeated yourself by listing a load of russian tanks which got changed, and are still performing just fine.



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View PostMotoroilspill, on 18 January 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

 

I dont quite understand what are you trying to say here, but if you are saying that "Russian Bias Theory" is just a bunch of BS then you just defeated yourself by listing a load of russian tanks which got changed, and are still performing just fine.

 

I'm saying that all of the tanks I listed were OP in beta. This is why half the forum yells Russian bias, every time a Russian tank comes up. Yes, these tanks are a "fine" now, which is my point. Russian bias existed in the first few years of the game, but doesn't exist anymore.



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View PostLM2017, on 17 January 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

I do know that the Germans always choose quality over quantity and you can see it actually today in German cars

they prefer to produce a few really nice machines rather than quickly produce a lot of cheap things

 

 

 


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