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leggasiini #1 Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:22 PM

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Hi guys. Currently, Japanese tech tree doesn't have heavy tanks. However, im wondering what it would look like. Lets have a look.
 

  Ha-Go Ke-Ni Ke-Ho            
         

 

 

       
NC27 Otsu Chi-Ni Chi-Ha Chi-He Chi-Nu      Chi-To     Chi-Ri     STA-1        Type 61     STB-1
     

 

Chi-Nu Kai

 

 

       
    Type 91         Type 95       

Iwakuro 1  

Iwakuro 2

O-I 120t

(105mm)

O-I 120t

(120mm)

O-I 140t

Type 2604

                                                                                     

Chi-Ni could lead to Type 91, tier 3 heavy (lowest tiered heavy in the game).

 

So lets look at each vehicle of the line:
 

Tier 3: Type 91

 

This tank could be tier 3 in WoT. 

It had only 20mm of armor (lol) and 70mm gun (top gun of Chi-Ni and stock gun of Chi-Ha), so it could be not be that strong. Also, 22kph top speed. Hmm...

However, if we add Chi-Ha's top gun (with even better rof and gun handling), or even Chi-He's top gun and +320 HP, it could work.

Produced in 1931. Only 1 build.

Crew 5.

Tier 4: Type 95

Tier 4. Almost same as its predecessor.

Little better armor (30/20/20), pretty same mobility. Doesnt sound nice...

Only option make this tank usable for this tier is add insane HP and insane gun. 

I was thinking that it could have +500 hp and have Chi-Nu's third gun as top gun. What it could be, is that its like super paper, faster and smaller TOG on tier 4.

Also produced in 1934. Only 5 prototypes build.

6.47metres long, weight 26tons.

Crew 5.

 

Tier 5: Iwakuro 1/Mi-To 1

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Now we get REAL monster. This thing ''100t tank'' is known also sometimes as Iwakuro or as Mi-To.

Thats right. 100ton tank on TIER 5. Only 1 of them was build, in 1940. Failed in tests. Crew 11.

It used 75mm gun (same as Chi-Nu or Chi-To, not sure), so far i know. Armor was 75/70/70mm, so its similar to KV-1. However, it was MUCH larger than KV.

In-game it could be slow, front line heavy with decent gun. As its huge and dont have the thickest armor, it will be huge arty magnet.

And imagine how nice target it is for tier 7s. :trollface:

 

Tier 6: Iwakuro 2/Mi-To 2

Overall, its pretty much same as Mi-To 1. However, this thing haves lot more armor (150/70/70) so it could be pretty bouncy tank.

Gun, crew, mobility(maybe) is same as Mi-To 2, but it could get Chi-To's gun as top gun. HP, maybe about 950. This thing would be pretty MM depended, as how well it performs against tier 8s, poorly.

Tier 7: O-I 120t (105mm)

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Most known Japanese heavy tank, this thing is massive (similar size to Maus!). As name states, it weighted 120tons. Only 1 was built in 1944 and shipped to Manchuria.

Not sure about armor, but on front it was apparently 200 (!) but also it had 2 miniturrets (likely weakspots).

This thing was slow aswell, it barely reached 20kph due to its 550x2hp engine.

It had 105mm gun, which could be comparable to KV-5's gun. 

It could have 1500hp (atleast). So far, it could play like KV-3/4/5, yet its even slower, even bigger and carries even more armor.

 

Tier 8: O-I 120t (120mm)

 

Basically same tank as O-I 120t with 105mm gun, but as i didnt find anything else, i got idea to make it like on French heavy line.

Same (or almost same) tank with just better gun. O-I 120t with 120mm could have more HP (1750 atleast) and as name states, the 120mm Naval gun.

 Not sure, but it could resemble T34's gun.

 

Tier 9: O-I 140t

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O-I_Maus.JPG

Never wondered, why Chi-Ri (which is bigger than Tiger II and weights over 40 tons) is classified as medium? Now you know. Its tiny when compared to Japanese heavy tanks.

O-I 140t was another O-I, pretty similar to O-I 120t expect it had 200mm ALL AROUND armor and it weighted 140tons. It also had 1 turret more.

This thing was huge: its larger than Maus... Like O-I 120t, it had 105mm gun historically, but i could consider 14 cm/50 3rd Year Type naval gun for it.

O-I 140t could have miniturrets as weakspots, 20kph top speed and 200mm all around armor, 140mm gun and atleast 1950 HP.

 

Tier 10: Type 2604

Here we are. At tier 10. Many times people thinks O-I variant for tier 10.

Recently, new info about this beasty tank has been found.

It was huge, even bigger than O-I 140t (weight was 200tons, apparently), but it dont have thicker armor than Maus. Larger and worse armor. Lol.

Btw, the gun looks big. I am not sure what is it, but i could say that its this one:

Aft_155_mm_gun_turret_Yamato_300px.jpg

15.5 cm/60 3rd Year Type naval gun. So, 155mm gun, nice. It could be similar to E-100's gun BUT given by that tank was bigger, slower and less armored, it could be better gun. +250mm pen, 750dmg, min. 3 rounds per minute, 0.38-0.35 accuracy, atleast 3 sec aiming time. Doesnt sound bad gun. And if you look at the tank itself, it haves tall turret and HUGE gun depression.

And, as the tank is HUGE, it likely will get more HP than Maus.

 

 

So,  Japanese heavy branch would look like this. It could be unigue at many things, such haves largest tank in the game, lowest tiered heavy and having 100ton tanks at tier 5 and 6.

Its nice that when they first have paper armors and good guns, then they grow a lot and gets more armor, and when we climb tiers up, armor gets worse at price of better guns.

Hopefully you liked my idea about Japanese Heavy branch. :smile:
 


Edited by leggasiini, 22 January 2014 - 03:43 PM.


tambardo #2 Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:32 PM

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looks good very good

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View Postleggasiini, on 22 January 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Btw, the gun looks big. I cant say what is it, but i could say that its this one:

15.5 cm/60 3rd Year Type naval gun. So, 155mm gun, nice. It could be similar to E-100's gun BUT given by that tank was bigger, slower and less armored, it coulc be better gun. +250mm pen, 750dmg, min. 3 rounds per minute, 0.38-0.35 accuracy, atleast 3 sec aiming time. Doesnt sound bad gun. And if you look at the tank itself, it haves tall turret and HUGE gun depression.

 

Confusing picture there, it focuses on the Yamato's main guns (46 cm) while you are likely referring to the 3 guns in the background, at least I assume those are 15.5 cm guns?


Edited by Arafel, 22 January 2014 - 03:40 PM.


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Good concept i do like it , but i fear that it will be weak in the Armour department , and being a hevay that's bit of a handicap, but it would be good to see the line.

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View PostArafel, on 22 January 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

 

Confusing picture there, it is focuses on the Yamato's main guns (46 cm) while you are likely referring to the 3 guns in the background, at least I assume those are 15.5 cm guns?

When i checked again, they indeed are Yamato's 46cm guns. Gonna fix it.

 

EDIT: Fixed.


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If you look at O-I's turret, you can see that gun is almost on turret's roof's level. Basically this mean that O-I haves no gun depression:unsure:

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Sounds like a tank with huge gun but weak armor.

I don't think Japs designer giving their HT too much armor considering during the war they don't have that capacity to do so.

Many other issues come alone with that big huge gun.



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View PostRichardZ1990, on 22 January 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sounds like a tank with huge gun but weak armor.

I don't think Japs designer giving their HT too much armor considering during the war they don't have that capacity to do so.

Many other issues come alone with that big huge gun.

Correct. If we exclude Mi-Tos, these tanks will not bounce much. Sure, O-Is had thick armor, but you know KV-5. Thick armor, but most of time its useless due to weakspots. Also they lacked slope mostly.

And Type 2604 had less armor than Maus WITHOUT slope. You have point, armor is not strongest point of these tanks.



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well, they would make nice enough targets at least. 

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Good post, +1

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11 crew! thats more than the bob semple tank

 

http://en.wikipedia....Bob_Semple_tank

 

Mentor would be HIGHLY useful for this tank, but BIA would be a pain.

 

I also bet about 5 of those 11 blokes are loaders as well, and therefore don't really have many useful skills. Unless you can stack adrenaline rush (which I believe you can't)



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I also bet about 5 of those 11 blokes are loaders as well, and therefore don't really have many useful skills. Unless you can stack adrenaline rush (which I believe you can't)

 

Yes, but you can stack intuition, quite interesting.



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Unless something is done about the TD situation (over all, not just t10) I just can't see how these tanks will work. They will die before they arrive on the battlefield and they will be spotted if they try to snipe. (Although I'd probably get the Mi-To 1 just for the looks)

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View PostxCaptainObviousx, on 22 January 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Unless something is done about the TD situation (over all, not just t10) I just can't see how these tanks will work. They will die before they arrive on the battlefield and they will be spotted if they try to snipe. (Although I'd probably get the Mi-To 1 just for the looks)

You know that Foch 155 will nerfed to death in 8.10, also Obj 268 gets nerf, rest with 850 gets minor alpha nerf.



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Nice thread. Looks like you've done some research here, and really interesting read.

 

Have a +1 :great:



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Initiating approval.

 

Approval complete

 

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I hope they'll do look like that. At least some.

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Although very historical, unlike some WG's fantasy tanks (*cough, T28, VK72, GWT(P),... cough*) and detailed described I don't think this would be very fun line to play. I'm always for a good armor but this is riddled with weakspots. Also Japs had pretty bad tanks(well not that they sucked but there wasn't any big need for a such tank) compared to others in WW2 but fine machinery after WW2. It would be great if something post war was to be found.

+1 for effort.



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I want more japanese tanks and french tank ASAP <3

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View Postleggasiini, on 22 January 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

You know that Foch 155 will nerfed to death in 8.10, also Obj 268 gets nerf, rest with 850 gets minor alpha nerf.


"Over all, not just t10"

Right now there is little use for unarmored tanks without camo (WTE 100 not included, that gun is insane), even at t5. You'll just get sniped up by TDs before you can do any damage.

 


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