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ErenJager #1 Posted 25 January 2014 - 04:59 PM

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Hello everyone,

 

this is something I've been wondering for quite a while - but didn't want to create a FTR post on this topic, because it's simply not something important, just a thought. Why is the game so successful in Russia, while our server is only like one fourth of the Russian one?

 

Certainly, some reasons are more obvious than others (it's a Russian game, it was released in Russia and all the higher staff are Belarussians, Russians or Ukrainians), but some much less so.

 

I spent practically the entire last year visiting various Russian WoT communities (the official forums being one of them but by far not the best, I personally like Livejournal communities the most) and the feeling I get from them is very different than the feeling I get from EU or even US forums. If we take the EU forums as a "standard", US forums feel cozier, if you know where to go - the staff seems somewhat more easy going (probably comes with the fact the US server has much fewer players than we do - my guess is it reaches 50k peaks? I can't remember though). Russian forums on the other hand seem.... more informal, but also more aggressive in a way. Not something what we are used to - in my experience, European customer is used to formal, polite and firm staff, while the Russians... they seem to prefer informal approach. The Russian developers seem to respond to this by simply adapting towards the Russian audience (or maybe they were like this all along - I don't know). The way SerB and Storm talk to Russian players is very informal, sometimes extremely rude, but also no-nonsense and fair. If someone is being an idiot, Storm will have no problem telling the guy he's an idiot, while SerB will start trolling. In a way it's sad the languages are so different, because some of the stuff they write is extremely funny, but cannot be translated without... you know, losing the context. Actually, this is something really typical for Russian communities: 90 percent of the really funny stuff regarding WoT comes from Russian community and while some memes can be translated ("How terrible...", "Want realism? Join the army!"), some simply can't and even though you can explain what is meant, it just loses its fun part, it's like trying to explain a joke to someone who didn't get it.

 

This however is a friction point between both of the communities and the developers themselves, because these approaches are not compatible. What the Russian developers write to Russian players would be totally unacceptable for western audience. Imagine a player asking "Hey, so, can we has skill MM?" and a developer answering "Yea? How about you learn English instead? To school with you, schoolkid!" - this is obviously just an example, but this is just how they write (and most of the time I don't bother translating such stuff). Livejournal community goes even further, with Russian players posting sometimes pretty daft stuff and Storm reacting with "**** off, clown". His "Suffer, ******, your suffering makes us happy" comment is already legendary (for the record, its use was completely justified). It works the other way too, unfortunately - Russian is not my native language and the same goes for probably 95 percent of you, guys. That makes you "European". Trying to "fit in" such a community feels like a white guy talking "ebonics" - "yo, my niggah" and all that. You simply don't do that, because you are white and it sounds stupid.

 

The abovementioned issues are also amplified by the fact that some of the Wargaming RU staffmembers have very little idea about what's going on on EU server or are driven by stereotypes (typical stereotype I've seen numerous times in RU section is that Polish players are butthurt whiners - yes, some of the developers actually think that). An example can be the recent "Yuri Pasholok" episode (after which I actually lost respect to this guy completely, no matter how good a work he has done in the past). It's two different worlds.

 

The last aspect I will mention is however not in Europe's favour. Russian players (although generally younger) as a whole have higher knowledge of tanks than Europeans. That is no speculation, that is a fact. It probably comes from the fact that there is a "tank" war memorial in every major (and minor) city, the fact they are proud of their history and they study it as a history of their own victory and sacrifice, whereas apart from England, European countries were either defeated by or actively collaborated with Germans, therefore - logically - there is no real pride and drive to study that part of history, which is also the "golden age of a tank", because never before and never again did tanks develop so quickly.

 

In a way, the part above is why I post historical articles on For the Record - not to post about German Wunderwaffen (although I must admit that German vehicles are my favourite), but also to help make that knowledge gap smaller and to help getting rid of the worst tank myths. I don't know if (or how much) I succeed (or did succeed), but every little bit helps, right?

 

Either way, I can't judge Russians as players (I tried playing on RU server, overall, they seem more aggressive and I don't like that), but the communities as I said are very different and I am afraid they are also not compatible (that's one of the reasons why I think any mass roaming is a pretty bad idea). 

 

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naughtydog29 #2 Posted 25 January 2014 - 05:25 PM

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I think you identified the most salient point at the start SS. This is a Russian game made for Russians, then modified to 'fit' other markets/cultures that differ so much from the original. Something that was not designed specifically for the market it is being sold into will never do as well as back home. It does not have the company support the same as if it were 'native' to the Czech Republic or the UK, as something will always be lost in translation and some will be poor quality or just untranslatable.

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ErenJager #3 Posted 25 January 2014 - 05:32 PM

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I don't think there is a problem with game translation itself (there is not much to translate anyway). This is a community matter I believee.

Listy #4 Posted 25 January 2014 - 06:24 PM

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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

[...] which is also the "golden age of a tank", because never before and never again did tanks develop so quickly.

 

Early to mid 80's might want to challenge that claim :blinky:



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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

The last aspect I will mention is however not in Europe's favour. Russian players (although generally younger) as a whole have higher knowledge of tanks than Europeans...

 

It should also be pointed out that Russia still has conscription and anyone between 18 and 27 can be called upon to do a minimum of one year of military service, something more and more European countries are moving away from (Sweden, for example, abandoned this system in 2010). As a result I think that only people with a genuine interest in tanks will pay much attention to the historical aspects of the game, whilst others simply go for the biggest gun and the thickest armor, and perhaps come off as "less educated" in the field of tanks.

 

 



naughtydog29 #6 Posted 25 January 2014 - 06:42 PM

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For me, the whole feel of the game and how we are interacted with by WG is very slightly odd, alien if you will. I have worked with people from all over Europe, North America and Australasia. Despite working predominantly in English, each conversation had to be almost edited in your head to be sure of getting the correct message across, even if 'English' of whatever flavour was the other party's native languague. There is something about this game that is intrinsically 'foriegn' and that could well be a factor in its success or failure in engaging with new countries/markets.

Shnuks #7 Posted 25 January 2014 - 06:58 PM

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Russians are more "hard" people than Western Europeans is the only answer i can give you that doesn't sound nationalistic or something. Most Russians i've met (women included) are much less sensitive to things and their whole demeanor is more aggressive. Now i don't mean they are aggressive that they fight you or anything, just their attitude. Life is still rough in Russia whatever anybody says and i think that translates into their way of communication. I'm Slavic and this has happened to me also when a couple of us met a few guys from US, they told us we act more aggressive and we're really not politically correct (jokes and stuff). Amplify that by 10x and you get Russians. Probably also comes from socialism where customer service was nonexistant since there wasn't much competition regarding goods. It was more of a privilege to be able to buy some things. When i play sports there's usually a ton of swearing involved and when someone swears at you, you don't get insulted you swear back. That's kinda why i never get pissed off when someone calls me names in this game. If he comments on my mothers sexual preferences, i comment on his etc. Although recently when reading your blog (hall of shame) people really have stupid insults (the jew, black people and cancer, seriously wtf?). Its a mentality and cultural thing if you ask me.

 

Anyway why its more popular there i have no idea. Maybe because its free? I dunno. I doubt it has to do with WG since most players never come into contact with them.                                                   

 

 


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ErenJager #8 Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:17 PM

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View PostiScending, on 25 January 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

It should also be pointed out that Russia still has conscription and anyone between 18 and 27 can be called upon to do a minimum of one year of military service, something more and more European countries are moving away from (Sweden, for example, abandoned this system in 2010). As a result I think that only people with a genuine interest in tanks will pay much attention to the historical aspects of the game, whilst others simply go for the biggest gun and the thickest armor, and perhaps come off as "less educated" in the field of tanks.

 

 

 

As far as I am concerned, conscription more like makes people hate military, not love it. I consider losing one year of your life by doing what a guy with an IQ of an average banana tells you to a complete loss.



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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

Why is the game so successful in Russia, while our server is only like one fourth of the Russian one?

 

Maybe because russians don't have this game breaking lag...

 

Even ESL Tournament is on a break, because they lag.



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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

 

As far as I am concerned, conscription more like makes people hate military, not love it. I consider losing one year of your life by doing what a guy with an IQ of an average banana tells you to a complete loss.


I spent one year in military. Easiest year of my life! Learned survival techniques and made life long friends. Not a loss in any way in my books. We have conscription in Finland, but I don't know anyone who hates military.



ErenJager #11 Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:26 PM

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View Postcarnivorous, on 25 January 2014 - 07:23 PM, said:


I spent one year in military. Easiest year of my life! Learned survival techniques and made life long friends. Not a loss in any way in my books. We have conscription in Finland, but I don't know anyone who hates military.

 

Maybe it's a Czech thing. I am the first year that actually didn't have to conscript (due to university studies) and I am really glad for it. But here, getting the "blue book" (a name of the document proving you are unfit for duty) was sort of "badge of honor" - everyone who could tried to avoid service.



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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

Maybe it's a Czech thing. I am the first year that actually didn't have to conscript (due to university studies) and I am really glad for it. But here, getting the "blue book" (a name of the document proving you are unfit for duty) was sort of "badge of honor" - everyone who could tried to avoid service.

 

I would be the last one that had to go, but I managed to get myself the "blue book". I would be in the last batch that would have to go... Two weeks after it got officially cancelled lol. The book tho makes it impossible to go into police or as a fireman.

 

It was quite funny when went infront the the military doctor... He was like: "Do you want to go?"... I was like: "no."... He said OK lol and I got the book.



Major_cjs #13 Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:40 PM

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The army is not a bad workspace as long your country does not get attacked :blinky:

ErenJager #14 Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:42 PM

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View Postlonigus, on 25 January 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

 

I would be the last one that had to go, but I managed to get myself the "blue book". I would be in the last batch that would have to go... Two weeks after it got officially cancelled lol. The book tho makes it impossible to go into police or as a fireman.

 

It was quite funny when went infront the the military doctor... He was like: "Do you want to go?"... I was like: "no."... He said OK lol and I got the book.

 

Yep, I know several people who had it like this actually - there always was some really BS excuse they made up. One got his blue book for hearing "squeaking in his right ear every now and then".

 

View PostMajor_cjs, on 25 January 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

The army is not a bad workspace as long your country does not get attacked :blinky:

 

It's not - it's actually a good job, despite all the budget cuts. Unless you get sent to Afghanistan and all. I am all for having a powerful well-financed army, but it should be professional. I mean, apart from learning to shoot a rifle (which I did try anyway on a shooting range), what is the point of a conscript on modern battlefield...



Mextli #15 Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:51 PM

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Russians love Tanks, glorify WW2 (hey, they were winners) and WoT has much more promotion in russia than in western europe. Atleast 3 reasons why this game is so successfull in russia.

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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

 what is the point of a conscript on modern battlefield...

 

Cannon Fodder :tongue:

 

Now on the serious note, if every male from 18-60 in one country knows to fire rifle it makes any enemy thinks twice before they attack you.

 



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I wonder: how many knows russian in RU and how many knows english in EU? There you have yar communication barrier.

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View PostErenJager, on 25 January 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

what is the point of a conscript on modern battlefield...

 

Yolo charge at their helicopters?

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View Postedger2020, on 25 January 2014 - 08:18 PM, said:

 

Cannon Fodder :tongue:

 

Now on the serious note, if every male from 18-60 in one country knows to fire rifle it makes any enemy thinks twice before they attack you.

 

 

Only really relevant if every male from 18-60 actually has a rifle and knows in which direction to point it. Also it is not borne out by history.



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So what you are actually trying to say is: Russian people are more educated and wiser than european people.

 

Get bent






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