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Tuccy #1 Posted 20 February 2014 - 11:53 AM

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A collection of data from various sources that will be probably interesting foer all of us who dab into the history sometimes. Ammunition loadouts for tanks that we have in game or that are similar (or which can, at least, serve as point of interest). NOTE: Some configurations cannot be used in game, obviously ;)

 

Special thanks to bojan for his data on Yugoslavian loadouts and for directing me to some interesting Russian literature.


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Yugoslavia
Post-war ammunittion loadouts for T-34/85, M4A3E4 Sherman, M47 Patton, T-54A and more
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Germany
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USSR

General rule, once the HVAP rounds became available, was 4 HVAP rounds for tanks and 8 for antitank guns/SP guns. However in practice troops tended to hoard HVAP from disabled tanks.

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USA

Not much here so far, sources are not that detailed. Some post-war loadouts for 76mm and 90mm guns can be linked tot he Yugoslavian section above.

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UK and Commonwealth

As with the US, Brits tended to set loadouts by gun rather than by vehicle

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Of course, any and all additions or corrections are welcome, especially if they cover US, UK or German loadouts :honoring:

Ukraine_too_Dai #2 Posted 20 February 2014 - 11:59 AM

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LaterTimeLord #3 Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:09 PM

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HVAP for Soviet's? I thought they had APCR...

TheKroo #4 Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:10 PM

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Awesome work Tuccy! Easy to read and quite hand to know.

Love the bit on Yugoslavian vehicles.



Tuccy #5 Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:14 PM

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Generally HVAP = APCR. Overall, British and German designations concentrated on material ("Hartkern", "APCR"); US on velocity (HVAP) and Soviets on caliber (Subcaliber) to describe the same thing :bajan:

Hustodemon #6 Posted 20 February 2014 - 05:06 PM

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KV-1 vz.1942/KV-1S (76mm ZIS-5)
Sources differ here, for example comparison with Churchill III states following loadout that gives only 90 rounds (instead of 114): 68 HE, 22 AP. However there are also more detailed loadouts:

  • 1943: 86 HE, 28 AP.
  • April 1943: 86 HE;  24 AP, 4 HVAP
  • Prosinec 1943: 74 HE, 5 shrapnel, 20 AP, 15 HVAP
  • Květen 1944: 74 HE, 10 shrapnel, 30 AP

 
Tuccy, I don't want to be grammar nazi, but not everyone in the English section knows that "Prosinec" means "December" and "Květen" means "May" :tongue:



Tuccy #7 Posted 20 February 2014 - 05:23 PM

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Don't they?  Bah! Their loss, they should learn Czech! :trollface:

 

(Thanks for noticing. Tried to catch 'em all but...)



radd666 #8 Posted 20 February 2014 - 06:04 PM

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Just let me hear someone complain about APCR's and HEAT's in-game. +1 Tuccy

TrackAttackerDK #9 Posted 22 February 2014 - 11:05 AM

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APCR (Armor-Piercing, Composite, Rigid) and HVAP (Hyper-Velocity, Armor-Piercing) is exactly the same thing. ACPR is the British English term, while HVAP is the American English term. Squeeze-bore ammunition is termed APCNR (Armor-Piercing, Composite, Non-Rigid).

Mantelman #10 Posted 26 February 2014 - 01:32 PM

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Thanks, shows how important the fighting against infantery and other "soft" targets was even in the time of the big tank battles.

As historian i have to ask, what sources did u use?



Tuccy #11 Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:43 PM

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Well, rather varied - books, internet, mentions in passing by researchers (for example the USMC load is thanks to Kenneth Estes). Yugoslavian loadouts came, as mentioned, from one of active WoT players as he got through some nice archivalia that were not published yet (nobody cares much about Yugoslavian army). More came from Lone Sentry etc...

 

Large part of Russian data came from the "Солянкин А.Г., Павлов М.В., Павлов И.В., Желтов И.Т.: Отечественные бронированные машины. ХХ век" (lot of obscure details in all 3 parts of the book series).



Tuccy #12 Posted 24 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

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So the historical battles rolled out - though the loadouts in game are a bit different, they are still fun :) Did you already try the HB in test?

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View PostTuccy, on 20 February 2014 - 06:23 PM, said:

Don't they?  Bah! Their loss, they should learn Czech! :trollface:

 

(Thanks for noticing. Tried to catch 'em all but...)

 

still missed a few ;-) T34/57 & T34/76






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