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Charcharo #1 Posted 16 March 2014 - 09:18 AM

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Hello and welcome to the ultimate american medium - M48A1 Patton! Unlike its guerrilla warfare predecessors, the Pershing and M46, this big fat machine is now more of an univeral heavy sniper medium tank.

 

Previous tank: M46 Patton
http://forum.worldof...952-m46-patton/ 

 

Tank specs:

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Upgrade tree:

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Overview:

The M48A1 is one of the Tier 10 vehicles that does not come fully elite and does require upgrading. Its stock gun is absolutely useless and should immediately be replaced with the M46 Patton gun. Whilst relatively good at tier 9, the M46's gun is a poor choice for the M48, though it gets the job done. Once the M58 is researched, it is all that should be used on the M48.

The M48A1 is a very large vehicle. It is as big as the T110E5, and that is almost too much for a medium tank. Its height does help it somewhat when it comes down to spotting the enemy, something in which the US medium tanks were always very good at. It may also come in handy when the Patton has to shoot at smaller vehicles or cover damaged mates, but the size is overall a con. It is easy to spot and to hit. The general layout of the Patton 3 is similar to that of the M46, though the turret has been moved to a little more central position, giving it slightly less effective depression when compared to the M46 and M26 Pershing tanks (though improving the ability to sidescrape). It is still very good though, allowing the vehicle to be very effective at fighting on hilly terrain.

Protection is decent. Hull front can bounce a shot from scouts or less powerful guns. It is sloped enough that at range and sloped. The side and rear are strong enough to not get overmatched, making the sidescraper tactic possible. It is also vulnerable to high-end artillery rounds. The turret is well armoured at the front, however it has an easy to hit weak spot- the commander’s cupola. It drastically influences the Patton’s staying power when fighting on hilly terrain. It may help the tank’s spotting ability, but the entire vehicle can get damaged from shots to it.

Mobility is quite good. Top speed is relatively bad, worse then the M46 Patton, but due to decent ground resistance stats and a good engine it at least keeps it and climbs quite well. The A1 is agile and has the pivot turn ability. Hill climbing and acceleration are solid, so in essence battlefield maneuverability is the vehicle's true armour .

The gun is great. It's DPM is something to fear and respect. It may not be the most accurate cannon ever, but its most definitely above the average. The great aim time and good accuracy on the move paired with excellent penetration and gun velocity make the 105mm M68 a joy to use. Gun depression is slightly worse then on the M46 Patton. But it is still good.

Overall, the M48A1 Patton 3 is a big, somewhat vulnerable vehicle with some good features. It can snipe, has good gun depression and can deal a lot of damage over long ranges and is quite effectively at that. It is not a guerrilla warfare specialist like the previous vehicles in the line and is  more of a “jack of all trades, master of none” type of vehicle. It can go along with heavies and support them, wolfpack with other mediums, or passive scouting due to its very high view range. Though it's very multi-purpose, it does not excel in any of these roles, and will generally fall short compared to other more specialized tanks.

Price: 6 100 000

Camouflage: Below average

Gun Elevation: -9°/+19°

 

Pros:

- Great accuracy, aim time and shell velocity.

- Very good gun depression.

- Good DPM.

- Great view range and good accuracy on the move.

 

Cons:

- Big for a medium tank.

- Camouflage could have been better.

- Hull armour is not good.

- Has a weak spot on the turret.

 

Designation:

1.Warrior 2. Medium Support Tank 3. Sniper 4. Flanker

The M48A1 can be an excellent offensive or defensive tank and the proper equipment can help it shine.

Direct Engagement M48A1: Ramer; Vertical Stabilizer; Ventilation

Scouting Medium M48A1: Coated Optics; Ramer; Ventilation/ Camouflage Net

 

Crew:

1. Commander  

2. Gunner

3. Driver

4. Loader (also a radio operator)

 

Consumables:

1. Repair Kit

2. First Aid Kit

3. Automatic Fire Extinguisher

Remember that the Automatic Fire Extinguisher also lowers the chance of an actual fire. Can be a good investment.

 

Crew skills (only an example, up to 4th skill):

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Modules:

Hull:

110/76/35

Hull armour is quite bad. Frontally, it is about 170mm of armour which is not sufficient at tier 10. At least it can protect from most scout tank guns and may deflect a more powerful shell if the driver gets lucky.

The side plating is not impressive but at least it protects from overmatching and does allow the M48A1 to be able to use the sidescraper tactic.

 

Suspension:

T97E2 / Max.capacity 50.35 / Turn speed 52 deg per sec.

Can carry all the M48A1 needs and does turn quickly. It does move well through bad terrain too. Soft stats are quite good

 

Engine:

Continental AV-1790-7B / 810 horse power / 12% chance of fire, Diesel

The Patton’s engine is somewhat disappointing. It is relatively tough, though the horsepower are unimpressive. Soft stats is what makes it as good as the M46. It moves as well as the M60 on flat ground.

 

Radio:

AN/VRC-7 - 745meters

A good tier 10 radio.

 

Turrets:

M87

Armor: 178/76/51

Rotation: 40 degrees/second

View range: 420m

The front of the turret is quite good. It can be penetrated but will require some high end weaponry in order to do so. The mantled on the other hand is impenetrable. Sides and rear are, quite weak, though that is to be expected. View range is excellent.

The really big problem of the turret is its commander’s cupola. It can prove to be the tanks big weak spot when fighting on hill. Enemy vehicles can and should try to hit it if they can’t see the hull of the tank.

 

Guns:

105mm T5E1M2
RoF: 6,82
Penetration: 218/265/53
Average damage: 390/390/480
Accuracy (100m): 0,42
Aim time: 2,3 sec

The best M46 Patton gun is what you should use whilst grinding the M68 gun. It is not nearly is good, but MUCH better then the 90mm gun...

 

105 mm Gun M68

RoF: 6,82

Penetration: 268/330/53

Average damage: 390/390/480

Accuracy (100m): 0,36

Aim time: 2 sec

Much better gun  then the previous options. It is very accurate, has a good rate of fire and more then enough penetration to take down most tier 10 tanks even frontally...

Gold ammo is HEAT, which does not get the normalization bonus of APCR ammo, but does not lose penetration with distance. With 330mm of penetration, it can go through almost every tank in the game. Shooting at weak spots on heavy tanks and TDs is still very advisable. Try not to hit any spaced armour though.

 

Comparison with its peers:

M48A1 vs M60 Patton

M48 has slightly better hull armour, better hill climbing abilities and slightly better effective gun depression both at its front and back and is slightly smaller (still big though). The M60 has a higher top speed, a slightly better gun and some slightly better soft stats.

 

M48A1 vs 121

121's armour is much better than that of the M48 . It also deals more damage per shot. However, the Patton has much better gun depression than the Chinese, is more accurate (especially on the move), aims faster and is slightly more agile.

 

M48A1 vs  Bat Chat 25t

The M48A1 has better armour, more gun depression, a more accurate and faster aiming gun with higher penetration and slightly better view range. Still, Batman has a gun with an autoloader and is a lot faster and more maneuverable.

 

M48A1 vs Leopard 1

The M48 has superior protection. They both have the same amount of gun depression, though the Leo does not have a tumor weak spot on its turret (then again, its entire turret can be considered a weak spot). Patton is slower but is more accurate on the move and has a better view range.

 

M48A1 vs FV 4202

The FV 4202 has much better hull armour though its turret armour is actually kind of worse. Both tanks have relatively similar guns. The Patton’s HEAT is in practice more reliable than the HESH rounds of the British tank. The FV has slightly better gun depression though not by much.

 

M48A1 vs T-62A

The T-62A has better armour than M48, especially on the turret. It also has better DPM and is a smaller target. It is more maneuverable, though not by much and just slightly faster. However the US tank has superior gun depression, damage per shot and view range.

 

Historical M48A1


The M48 Patton is a medium tank that was designed in the United States. It was a further development of the M47 Patton tank. The M48 Patton served as an interim tank in U.S. service until replaced by the U.S. Army's first official main battle tank (MBT), the M60 Patton. The M48 served as the U.S. Army and Marine Corps's primary battle tank during the Vietnam War. It was widely used by U.S. Cold War allies, especially other NATO countries. The M48 Patton tank was designed to replace the previous M47 Pattons and M4 Shermans. Although largely resembling the M47, the M48 Patton was a completely new tank design. Some M48A5 models served well into the 1980s with American forces, and many various M48 Patton models remain in service in other countries. The M48 was the last U.S. tank to mount the 90 mm tank gun, with the last model, the M48A5, being upgraded to carry the new standard weapon of the M60, the 105mm M68 gun.


Suggestions to WarGaming for changes on the M48A1:
- Higher top speed. 48 km/h minimum. 50 would be great.
- Maybe a turret with a smaller commander hatch.


Edited by Charcharo, 17 March 2014 - 06:13 PM.


Sille #2 Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:13 PM

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turret armor aint good eithere. accuracy on the move is crap on it 2 and the guns pen is bad...its dpm is nothing special compared to the outhere mediums...

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Spresman #3 Posted 17 March 2014 - 11:25 PM

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I hope they buff it when I reach it :)

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Vyrthum #4 Posted 18 March 2014 - 12:47 AM

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Ah, finally a thread for the M48A1, hope to see some good games and read some info from experienced players in here. Currently grinding for it, enjoying the Pershing a lot right now.

 

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Cpt_Blue #5 Posted 18 March 2014 - 02:42 AM

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Good job and +1. As for the commanders cupola being changed, if wg tries to keep things historically accurate then no. The size is about right as it houses a M85 .50  cal MG. From my first hand experience with the M48 and M60 tanks, you need that room to charge it. Extra room would have been great! 

azakow #6 Posted 18 March 2014 - 06:39 AM

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Thx for the M48 topic, 600 matches to late. :blinky:

Please check the gun stats, the ingame client shows differently.

 



Djerin #7 Posted 20 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

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I don't play this thing as a heavy sniper. It still is a predator, that relies on situational awareness like the Pershing and the M46. It doesn't stick out in any stat, so there is always a medium tank that can do one particular thing better. But it also doesn't have any particular weakness. You can actually adapt to more situations with it than with any other tank. If you know what you're doing you can always find something helpful to do. I like it much better than the T-62a.

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View PostDjerin, on 20 March 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

I don't play this thing as a heavy sniper. It still is a predator, that relies on situational awareness like the Pershing and the M46. It doesn't stick out in any stat, so there is always a medium tank that can do one particular thing better. But it also doesn't have any particular weakness. You can actually adapt to more situations with it than with any other tank. If you know what you're doing you can always find something helpful to do. I like it much better than the T-62a.

You might be bad at internet spaceships, but your thoughts on Patton are correct.



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View PostCandyVanMan, on 23 March 2014 - 11:50 PM, said:

You might be bad at internet spaceships, but your thoughts on Patton are correct.

Yeah I suck at internet spaceships. I just cba to grind isk in any way. And the prospect of doing ops that take several hours is often repellent. But then again it's somehow entertaining to take part in the largest scale war efforts. So I usually idle till there is some game deciding stuff to do.

 

Glad we agree on the Patton though.


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AceRimmer99 #10 Posted 24 March 2014 - 12:54 AM

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the m46 patton looks great I was thinking of going for that tank but this.. this just looks like a hunk of junk. does it have anything over the other tier 10 meds?

HoS #11 Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:36 AM

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I dont see any faults about this tank, why so much spitting on this fine tank is beyond me ... Dunno:) fine its a lot bigger than the m46 but thats not something so especially bad because acceleration i find is really good and he can turn on spot like crazy , but the main thing i found about this tank really surprising is how he is eating the terrain , buy he goes uphill and rarelly loses power , water stones mud you name it, nothing for this tank , gun ist just perfect, fast shells , good pen , fast reload , better gun than the t110e5 if anyone didnt know ... Hell yea tier 10 matches are just horrid but i still wait for a bad play with the m48, give him a chance ;))

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View PostAceRimmer99, on 23 March 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

the m46 patton looks great I was thinking of going for that tank but this.. this just looks like a hunk of junk. does it have anything over the other tier 10 meds?

It's got good gun control AND good gun depression, no other t10 med can say the same, it's also got x-ray vision and is very very agile.
If you know how to take advantage of those things, then it's an incredibly good tank, if not, then yes, it's pretty damn bad.



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View PostAceRimmer99, on 24 March 2014 - 12:54 AM, said:

the m46 patton looks great I was thinking of going for that tank but this.. this just looks like a hunk of junk. does it have anything over the other tier 10 meds?

I think the E50M is far better in this tier and size of mediums=i dont count in the bat chat and the russians they got their own powertree=)



Rokim #14 Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

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Too much of grinding for what u get in the the end.

Sille #15 Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:49 AM

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in all honesty, i would love to see the offcial reson this tank is consider well balanced....

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268 pen gun only on pappers. Feels like 200 or something in battle.

 

Many, many, many, many, many "unexplained lucky" bounces on scouts amx'es, lower tier meds, and "papper thin" sides of everything you can imagine.

I belive that i can shot on an Loltractror and make it bounce with this tank...

 

The main problem with this tank i think that is an American one, and everyone that having a small amount of brain can understand what i mean... :sceptic:

 

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It's just to big a target and to slow to perform like a true brawler. If the IS was the IS7, and the T29 was the T110E5, the M48 would be the AMX M4 Mle.

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One of the best meds for randoms if played correctly

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View PostTarantula, on 07 April 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

One of the best meds for randoms if played correctly

Serious question and not ment sarcastic, but how do you suggest to play this tank? peek-a-boo over hills while staying hull down?



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View Postiktankniet, on 10 April 2014 - 06:43 AM, said:

Serious question and not ment sarcastic, but how do you suggest to play this tank? peek-a-boo over hills while staying hull down?

You use the obscene viewrange and gun control to minimize your exposure.
M48 can be useful in almost any position and situation, due to it's extremely nice dispersion, aim time and gun depression.
The mobility is actually pretty good, though the top speed is lacking.







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