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Poll: T-54 nerf. (259 members have cast votes)

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Is the armour un-balanced?

  1. Hell ye! (72 votes [27.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.80%

  2. Not really.. it's good, but not OP. (154 votes [59.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.46%

  3. Not at all, its swiss cheese! (33 votes [12.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.74%

Should the HEAT ammunition be nerfed?

  1. YES! (149 votes [57.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.53%

  2. No! (110 votes [42.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.47%

Which part of the T-54 should be nerfed? (if any)

  1. The armour. (53 votes [15.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.45%

  2. The gun. (14 votes [4.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.08%

  3. The speed (16 votes [4.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.66%

  4. The HEAT ammo. (123 votes [35.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.86%

  5. The mobility. (20 votes [5.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.83%

  6. Nothing, it's fine as it is. (117 votes [34.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.11%

Will 9.0 bring the glory days of the T-54 to an end?

  1. No, it will still be perfection. <3 (72 votes [27.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.80%

  2. Meh, it will be different, but it will still do the job. (138 votes [53.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.28%

  3. Yes, goodbye old friend. </3 (49 votes [18.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.92%

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Deathcon1998 #1 Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:47 PM

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The T-54 has been a favourite tank of mine, after an amazing adventure through the soviet medium line. 160k to go until the Object 140 (T-62A already researched), I'm still having fun and great moments with this tank.

 

The speed is great, the gun does the job well, but one thing which really made it click with me was its armour. Tier 8's bounced off the hull frequently, while all but tier 10 and the best of tier 9 guns struggled with the turret.

 

But now, it seems the strong days of the much-adored T-54 are numbered..

 

This is the current armour model of the T-54:

old

As seen, the front of the turret is strong and effective, with no weaker areas excluding the top.

 

And this is the model coming to us in 9.0..

new

..ye.

 

Take a look at that new turret. The former strength is now only seen around the gun area, the rest of the turrets front is cluttered with weaker streaks. Hell, even the commanders cupolas are nerfed!

 

Here's the link to the armour change: http://ftr.wot-news....-armor-changes/

 

I understand that the T-54 is currently one of the best tier 9 tanks available, and its armour can be a challenge, but a tier 8 can kill one with a relatively small amount of difficulty if they know what they're doing. If WG really want to nerf this tank so potatoes can kill it, then they should at least nerf it in the correct area..

 

..that *c*HEAT ammo is beyond balanced.. a simple penetration nerf down to its counterparts will do the trick nicely.. just leave the T-54s turret be.

 

Vote in the poll and share your opinions on this nerf!

 



baboonsRgr8m8 #2 Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

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Nerf the engine power, nerf HEAT pen, leave the rest as it is.

 

The armor is just fine, if the person knows what he is doing, he'll kill you with relative ease, if he doesn't, hell, he shouldn't be playing a tier high enough to meet T-54 in the first place. (Didn't want to be elitist jerk, but as it turns out, I don't have a nice person day today :harp:)


Edited by sirMATCHMAKER, 26 March 2014 - 08:36 PM.


Eokokok #3 Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:45 PM

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How about you stop whinning about nerf to tank that had all, armour, speed, gun, agillity, small size and good camo to top it all... Oh noes, they are nerfing the statpadding tank, so sad.

Deathcon1998 #4 Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:14 PM

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View PostsirMATCHMAKER, on 26 March 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

Nerf the engine power, nerf HEAT pen, leave the rest as it is.

 

The armor is just fine, if the person knows what he is doing, he'll kill you with relative ease, if he doesn't, hell, he shouldn't be playing a tier high enough to meet T-54 in the first place. (Didn't want to be elitist jerk, but as it turns out, I don't have a nice person day today :harp:)

I agree, I've learnt how to take one down in my tier 8's effectively (albeit with relative difficulty) and in tier 10 games the armour becomes paper, even the turret is nothing against tier 9 + 10 TD the majority of the time. If gold ammo was made more reasonable and a small nerf to the speed was taken into account, the tank would be a perfectly balanced all-rounder



Deathcon1998 #5 Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:19 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 26 March 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

How about you stop whinning about nerf to tank that had all, armour, speed, gun, agillity, small size and good camo to top it all... Oh noes, they are nerfing the statpadding tank, so sad.

You must be one of the crowd who don't realise that the T-54 has some significant flaws such as low alpha and pen for its tier, bad gun depression, weak fuel tanks and ammo rack, non-existent side-armour, atrocious stock gun.. the tank is very capable, but by no means invincible.



CuddlyPanda #6 Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:28 PM

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As a T-54 owner I dont care. So they model the turret armor more correctly, big deal. Still the best T9 around.

 

View PostDeathcon1998, on 26 March 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:

You must be one of the crowd who don't realise that the T-54 has some significant flaws such as low alpha and pen for its tier (flank maybe??? lower alpha sometimes sucks, but the RoF is excellent.), bad gun depression (better than the Chinese, decent at best), weak fuel tanks and ammo rack, (never had any problems with that.)  non-existent side-armour (name a medium with side armor? LOL), atrocious stock gun (Patton has worse. Free XP ftw).. the tank is very capable, but by no means invincible.

 

CP: No problem with the tank. T-54 swarm to victory.

 



indu #7 Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:30 PM

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Ah i just got it 1 week ago and now allready nerf :harp:

Anyway this tank is a bit op. Bouncing like heavy if you are angling it well. 

If you compare it to the other t9 medium tanks then it is op. 

 



XtremeBlitz #8 Posted 27 March 2014 - 02:18 PM

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well looks like the t54 also gets smaller, so camo wil prob go up..

Heinkle #9 Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:48 PM

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View PostDeathcon1998, on 26 March 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

You must be one of the crowd who don't realise that the T-54 has some significant flaws such as low alpha and pen for its tier

 

Except most drivers of the T54 fire copious amounts of HEAT, which has an insane 330mm of penetration.


Edited by Heinkle, 27 March 2014 - 04:49 PM.


Deathcon1998 #10 Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:03 PM

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View PostHeinkle, on 27 March 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

 

Except most drivers of the T54 fire copious amounts of HEAT, which has an insane 330mm of penetration.

This is the reason the cHEAT ammunition should be nerfed.. maybe down to 280/290mm or so? I admit, I do not use only AP in my T-54.. I use HEAT to troll Maus/E-100/Jagdpz E-100.. but I still strongly stand by the fact it is too OP and should be nerfed.. the armour should remain untouched



Banelord300 #11 Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:33 PM

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So the best tier 9 gets nerfed oh no its the end of the world :O.

Spoiler

 

For stat padders :D:



Deathcon1998 #12 Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:43 PM

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View PostBanelord300, on 27 March 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

So the best tier 9 gets nerfed oh no its the end of the world :O.

Spoiler

 

For stat padders :D:

I can't use it to stad pad because my stats are so crap anyway xD I use the T-54 for fun, not for any kind of stat padding.. if you've used it you'll know what I mean when I say it's a superbly versatile machine.. not unbalanced, but great fun:) If you haven't used it it, then I understand what you mean.. I really used to think it was one of the most OP tanks in the game, but now I use it I realise it's not as invincible as it first seemed:P


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Weihrauchhw95 #13 Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

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nerf whatever i dont care. Every T54 i meet kills me with impunity. kv4 is best tank i have to face it though.

Banelord300 #14 Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:57 PM

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View PostDeathcon1998, on 27 March 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

I can't use it to stad pad because my stats are so crap anyway xD I use the T-54 for fun, not for any kind of stat padding.. if you've used it you'll know what I mean when I say it's a superbly versatile machine.. not unbalanced, but great fun:) If you haven't used it it, then I understand what you mean.. I really used to think it was one of the most OP tanks in the game, but now I use it I realise it's not as invincible as it first seemed:P

Its more of the stats lets see what T-54 is good in.

 

-Speed check

-Size check

-Turret and hull armor check

-Very good gold ammo check

-Two guns which both got very good gold pen check

 

And a E50 got only these things better

 

- Gun better acc but worse gold ammo

- Better gun depression 

 

 



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Deathcon1998 #16 Posted 27 March 2014 - 11:38 PM

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View PostBanelord300, on 27 March 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

Its more of the stats lets see what T-54 is good in.

 

-Speed check

-Size check

-Turret and hull armor check

-Very good gold ammo check

-Two guns which both got very good gold pen check

 

And a E50 got only these things better

 

- Gun better acc but worse gold ammo

- Better gun depression 

 

 

You've stated my own point - the gold ammo should be nerfed to the ground. The rest of the tank is very good, but not OP



Deathcon1998 #17 Posted 27 March 2014 - 11:40 PM

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View PostWeihrauchhw95, on 27 March 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

nerf whatever i dont care. Every T54 i meet kills me with impunity. kv4 is best tank i have to face it though.

Ye, from my own experience anything under tier 8 heavies struggle greatly against the T-54.. but you could say that about most medium tanks, they are all pretty tough against things below their tier, but against their own tier they aren't invincible - the same goes for the T-54



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China and jap line meds would like a word with you on "they bounce lower tier shot" because my T-34-1 china tank sure as hell wont bounce anything and gets set on fire/ammo hit every freaking shot.

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View Postindipuk, on 27 March 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

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No troll bounces here...



Deathcon1998 #20 Posted 28 March 2014 - 05:55 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 28 March 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

China and jap line meds would like a word with you on "they bounce lower tier shot" because my T-34-1 china tank sure as hell wont bounce anything and gets set on fire/ammo hit every freaking shot.

Fairplay you have proved a valid point.. the Japs and the Lorraine don't bounce a thing xD The T-34-1 on the other hand has strong armour.. especially on the turret.. tanks at its tier and below have difficulty penetrating it, so if your point is most mediums have paper armour then you may have contradicted yourself slightly:P







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