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Eila_Juutilainen #61 Posted 30 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 30 July 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

Well from what I've seen it's just going to be a Russian super P that looks like a t54, basically something I wont buy because a medium is mobile right....WG????

 

Unless they do something really weird with the ground resistance, this thing will be much more mobile than the Super Pershing. Ideally, it will have the roughly the same acceleration as Type 59 and T-34-3, just with a lower capped top speed of 44km/h, which is still a lot better than Super Pershing's 40km/h that the thing can't even reach - mine does 32km/h at best, after a long struggle.

 

Super Pershing has 9.89 hp/ton with a ground resistance of 1.2 on hard surface. That makes the effective output 8.21. T-54 mod. 45 has a hp/ton of 14.64, with unknown ground resistance. If it gets the same as Type 59/T-34-3, 0.9, the effective output would be 16.27. That's almost double what Super Pershing has. Even if we assume it to have the resistance stat of T-44's stock suspension (1.1), as it historically had T-44 based suspension, the output is 13.30 which is over 60% better than Super Pershing.

 

Just for fun, I did the math and in order to be as slow as Super Pershing, T-54 mod. 45 would need to have a hard ground resistance stat of 1.78. And that's not realistic.

 

So, even though we lack the numbers, I think we can conclude that the mobility will be decent. No, it won't win races. But it will get to where you want, in a reasonable time. Unlike the Super Pershing.

 

We can also conclude that I have no life and need to stop spending so much time on the forums.


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 30 July 2014 - 01:20 PM.


JuiceQuadre #62 Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:16 AM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 30 July 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

 

 

We can also conclude that I have no life and need to stop spending so much time on the forums.

:D

 

Anyway, i hope you are right. I can do with decent mobility, no need for superb. 13.3 effective is kinda on the edge tho. 14+ would do i think. I think M103 has like 14 Effective and i always thought with added top speed it would work more like a med, so this t-54 prot. might work after all. Fingers crossed.



Eila_Juutilainen #63 Posted 31 July 2014 - 02:12 PM

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M103 has 15,17 : 1,2 = 12,64 effective output on hard ground, actually. But yeah, I would like the T-54 mod. 45 to have a ground resistance of 0.9 or 1.0, at the very least. Maybe even better, since it's got a cap on the top speed. Hopefully we'll see it on the supertest soon...

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a lighter version of the T-54 ? sounds like the perfect target for derp guns. ISU-152 ftw

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View Postcosmin, on 01 August 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

a lighter version of the T-54 ? sounds like the perfect target for derp guns. ISU-152 ftw


 like all lights and meds? Im missing the point



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View PostJuiceQuadre, on 01 August 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:


 like all lights and meds? Im missing the point

ISU-152 is capable of one-shooting almost all tier 6 tanks. But if you manage to load an He shell and shoot it in the side of the lighter T-54 , you are as good as dead.


 



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Yeah. 90% chance your shot gets absorbed by tracks.

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View Postcosmin, on 01 August 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

ISU-152 is capable of one-shooting almost all tier 6 tanks. But if you manage to load an He shell and shoot it in the side of the lighter T-54 , you are as good as dead.


 

 

Wait a minute. You load an HE shell and shoot the side of the lighter T-54 and then you are as good as dead? 

Nah just kidding i know what you meant of course, but im still kinda missing the point.

 

I do however agree with you that shooting high alpha guns with HE in the side of light armored vehicles causes lot of dmg.



TheMarketGardener #69 Posted 22 August 2014 - 04:00 PM

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As soon as i heard that the T8 russian LT would be the T-54 Light I was like: MUST. BUY. MT-25.

xCaptainObviousx #70 Posted 23 August 2014 - 12:31 PM

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Doesn't the regular T-54 have 1.2 ground resistance on hard ground? I would expect the mod. 45 to have worse ground resistance than the later model.

Despite that I still think it will be resonably mobile for the ammount of armor it's got.



Eila_Juutilainen #71 Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:14 AM

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View PostxCaptainObviousx, on 23 August 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Doesn't the regular T-54 have 1.2 ground resistance on hard ground? I would expect the mod. 45 to have worse ground resistance than the later model.

Despite that I still think it will be resonably mobile for the ammount of armor it's got.

 

It also gets a much better engine, and this is an invisible stat so a balancing factor. But, it's 1.0 and 1.1 with stock tracks.



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Yes, this tank doesn't seem very good as it is now. I really don't want another SP slug (without spaced armour) and bad depression.

The FV prem looks like the best bet at the moment.. at least a good blend, a little slow but hopefully depression and gun compensates for it.

 

All I want is a medium with this:

- Depression

- Potent gun

- Some turret armour

- At least Cent. 7/1 speed

 

Making soft stats like aim time and accuracy bad, will make it have to go up close, and use terrain to it's advantage, and force people to play the tank correctly..

 



Eila_Juutilainen #73 Posted 27 December 2014 - 09:24 AM

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Well, it's here:

 

http://ftr.wot-news....irst-prototype/

 

Ground resistance, the stat I was most worried about, is 1/1.1. Not as good as I'd hoped, but it's workable. Gun depression is -6, doubled from the historical -3. Turret armour doesn't seem too shabby, and frontal hull is amazing. Gun stats are acceptable, I guess.

 

 



Fluffy_The_Destroyer #74 Posted 17 January 2015 - 09:08 AM

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Me and my friend was talking erlier and we come across this on FTR

 

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That does not look like a T-54 hull...so im starting to wonder what exactly about this tank is T-54? my friend said it looks like a T-44 hull with armor bolted on the front. so what exactly is this tank?



Eila_Juutilainen #75 Posted 17 January 2015 - 09:36 AM

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T-54 prototype was essentially an uparmoured T-44. Which makes sense. They simply built their new tank on the basis of the previous one.

 

The hulls are very similar, look at T-44 http://wiki.gcdn.co/..._front_left.jpg compared to T-54 http://wiki.gcdn.co/..._front_left.jpg


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 17 January 2015 - 09:39 AM.


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I was watching a Russian video today on the new premium  T54/T44,  they think its like a Russian Super Pershing!!!!!!!   they cant sell the SP so why make another tank like that????

it just proves WG just don't give a S??T.


 



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View PostLamboUK, on 19 March 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

I was watching a Russian video today on the new premium  T54/T44,  they think its like a Russian Super Pershing!!!!!!!   they cant sell the SP so why make another tank like that????

it just proves WG just don't give a S??T.


 

 

It will sell. Don't forget, that soviet medium line is extremely popular, yet it doesn't even have a T6 premium tank... (after all, T34-85M is not offered via shop/ingame currently).

 

Personally, I think WG could milk much more, if this T8 T54 was a proper medium (sth closer to normal T44, than a heavy/med hybrid that they came up with) as imo it would be closer to the kind of gameplay that T54/T62/Obj140/430 drivers like.

Nobody would really bother, that it's yet another clone, belive me. Just give it some proper cHEAT ammo and watch the numbers ($$) grow :B


Edited by IRSanchez, 19 March 2015 - 09:59 AM.


Eila_Juutilainen #78 Posted 19 March 2015 - 05:20 PM

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Added to the actual test now, apparently:

 

- Added the following vehicles for testing during the Common Test:
* M56 Scorpion, Tier VII U.S. tank destroyer
* T-54 mod. 1, Tier VIII U.S.S.R. medium tank



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It plays like a nerfed T-44.

 

Its sluggish in movement, and has much slower turret traverse. Gun is similar to the T-44's 100mm, but is less accurate and has longer aim time.

 

It does have slightly better front armour than the T-44, but still doesn't really seem to bounce anything at all.

 

No limited MM, of course. Its pretty feeble in a Tier 9 game, and there is no alternative but to hide somewhere in a Tier 10 game...



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That 120mm sloped is a lie or somet. ether that or they spammed gold shells at me in test server. i angled my balls off in this thing and constantly got penned frontally no matter what i did. the guns aimtime sucks and is annoying. its a good prem tank but i hope im just having a bad time on the test server and its actually good on live.




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