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Were the German anti-tank guns rifled?

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specialistHUN #1 Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:09 AM

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Hey guys!
I know this is an unusual question,but I didn't find any answer on the wiki or on other sites. I thought maybe some of the WoT players know it.
So I repeat the question: were the German anti-tank(PaK,KwK) guns rifled? Actually I think that the 8.8cm was not rifled because it was developed from an anti-air gun and I don't see any point rifling an AA gun. But that's my speculation.

So if anyone knows,please answer!

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typhaon #2 Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:07 AM

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Why would rifling AA guns be useless?

 

It would greatly decrease the accuracy, which is even more important when shooting air targets in several hundred metres height...



CptBarney #3 Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

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it seemed like most of the Anti-tank guns were rifled rather than smoothbore at the time. some where smoothbore but most were rifled like the 8.8cm pak was a rifled anti tank gun. which is also a cool looking one too.

 

 



Bird_Dog #4 Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:38 AM

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I thought all guns exept for mortars and recoilless at-rifles (aka panzerschreck or bazooka (why were they called rifles then?)) were rifled and smoothbore canons were only developed during cold war.

CptBarney #5 Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:40 AM

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View PostBird_Dog, on 20 April 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

I thought all guns exept for mortars and recoilless at-rifles (aka panzerschreck or bazooka (why were they called rifles then?)) were rifled and smoothbore canons were only developed during cold war.

 

you had smoothbore cannons in the past but i see very little evidence of there being any smoothbores used in world war 2 since the first anti tank gun using smoothbore was the russian T-12.


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Bird_Dog #6 Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:50 AM

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Yes smoothbore guns were the norm when metal working skills weren't high enough to produce useful rifling, but as soon as gunsmiths could rifle canons, smoothbore canons fell out of use. That was late 19th century, if I am not mistaken.

But those "pre-rifling" guns had realy poor performance acuracy whise. Essentialy they were just cast tubes of bronce or iron sealed on one end that propelled a (more or less) spherical canonball a few hundert yards.



CptBarney #7 Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:04 AM

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true very true especially those cannons on the old ships you used to get like in the reinanssence age and industrial age as well.

 

most of those naval battles are intresting though and very different to todays naval warfare instead of close range firefights it's more long range sniper fights with flying things and metal tubes with explosives in them lmao.

 

put those things together and you get a very basic idea of how dystopian wars works in terms of naval combat long range guns but short and deadly ranged broadsides. my favorite nation has to be the republic of france though followed closely by the FSA (dystopian wars)



Ohaithar #8 Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:48 AM

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Every single cannon barrel was rifled since the 19th century. It's only with the T-62's 115mm that smoothbores became popular, as they were thought to be very much inferior since no one thought about fin stabilization.

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View PostBird_Dog, on 20 April 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

I thought all guns exept for mortars and recoilless at-rifles (aka panzerschreck or bazooka (why were they called rifles then?)) were rifled and smoothbore canons were only developed during cold war.

 

Bazooka and Panzershreck were anti tank rocket launchers. Recoiless rifles ARE rifles in that they do have rifling in them and they fire regular artillery shells. WW2 recoiless rifles were the German Leichtgeschutz series and the American M18 (if anyone else can remember of another one remind me).



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View Postaeraaa83, on 20 April 2014 - 10:39 PM, said:

 

Bazooka and Panzershreck were anti tank rocket launchers. Recoiless rifles ARE rifles in that they do have rifling in them and they fire regular artillery shells. WW2 recoiless rifles were the German Leichtgeschutz series and the American M18 (if anyone else can remember of another one remind me).

 

Recoilless Rifle

The bazooka style AT weapons were also called "rifle" despite being smoothbore. The distinction was simply lost.







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