Jump to content


WW2 firearms discussion


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
3 replies to this topic

Poll: Best weapons of WW2? (17 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battles in order to participate this poll.

Best handgun?

  1. Colt m1911A1, cal. .45 ACP (11,43x23mm) (USA) (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. Walther P 38, cal. 9x19mm (germany) (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  3. Luger P 08, cal. 9x19mm (germany) (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  4. Tokarev TT-33, cal 7,62x25mm (URSS) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  5. Browning HP 35, cal 9x19mm (belgium/UK/germany) (8 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  6. Vis radom Wz 35, cal 9x19mm (poland, germany) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

Best bolt action repeater rifle?

  1. Mauser Kar 98K, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  2. Lee-Enfield N°4, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (8 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  3. Lee-Enfield N°1 Mark III, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  4. Mosin-Nagant M91/30, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  5. Mosin-Nagant M44, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  6. Mosin-Nagant M39, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (Finland) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  7. Arisaka type 38, cal. 6,5x50mm (japan) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Arisaka type 99, cal. 7,7x58mm (japan) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  9. Pattern 1914 Enfield rifle, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. US. rifle M1917, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. US. rifle M1903, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  12. US. rifle M1903A3, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  13. MAS-36, cal. 7,5x54mm (france) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Best submachine gun?

  1. PPD-34/38/40, cal. 7,62x25mm (URSS) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  2. PPSh-41, cal. 7,62x25mm (URSS) (8 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  3. PPS-43, cal. 7,62x25mm (URSS) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. MP 40, cal. 9x19mm (germany) (7 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  5. MP 18/28, cal. 9x19mm (germany) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Sten Mark II, cal. 9x19mm (UK) (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  7. Sten Mark V, cal. 9x19mm (UK) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Thompson M1928/A1, cal. .45 ACP (11,43x23mm) (USA) (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  9. Thompson M1/A1, cal. .45 ACP (11,43x23mm) (USA) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  10. M3/A1 "grease gun", cal. .45 ACP (11,43x23mm) (USA) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  11. Beretta model 38A, cal. 9x19mm (italy) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  12. Suomi KP-31, cal. 9x19mm (finland) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Best semi auto rifle?

  1. US. rifle M1 Garand, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (14 votes [53.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

  2. M1941 Johnson rifle, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. SVT-40, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. Walther G43, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  5. Walther G41, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Winchester M1 carbine, cal. .30 M1 (7,62x33mm) (USA) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  7. SKS, cal. 7,62x41mm (URSS) (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

best full auto rifle/ assault rifle?

  1. MKB 42 Haenel, cal. 7,92x33mm (germany) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  2. STG 44, cal. 7,92x33mm (germany) (12 votes [48.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.00%

  3. FG 42, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (6 votes [24.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.00%

  4. Winchester M2 carbine, cal. .30 M1 (7,62x33mm) (USA) (4 votes [16.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.00%

  5. AVT-40, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  6. AVS-36, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. AS-44 (avtomat sudaeva), cal. 7,62x41mm (URSS) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

Best anti tank rifle?

  1. PTRD-41, cal. 14,5x114mm (URSS) (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. PTRS-41, cal. 14,5x114mm (URSS) (10 votes [38.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.46%

  3. Panzerbüchse 38/39, cal. 7,92x94mm (germany) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  4. Wz 35 anti-tank rifle, cal. 7,92x107mm (poland) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Lahti L-39, cal. 20x138Bmm (finland) (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  6. Boys anti-tank rifle, cal. .55 Boys (13.9x99Bmm) (UK) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  7. Solothurn S-18/100, cal. 20x105Bmm (germany, switzerland) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Solothurn S-18/1000, cal. 20x138Bmm (germany, switzerland) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  9. Type 97 anti-tank rifle, cal. 20x125mm (japan) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

Best high explosive anti tank weapon?

  1. M1/A1 bazooka, 57mm (USA) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  2. M9/A1 bazooka, 57mm (USA) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  3. M18 recoilless rifle, 57x303Rmm (USA) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. Raketenpanzerbüchse 54 "panzerschreck", 88mm (germany) (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  5. Panzerfaust 60/100, 150mm (germany) (13 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  6. PIAT (UK) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. RPG-43 and RPG-6 hand grenades (URSS) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Best magazine fed light machinegun?

  1. BAR M1918A2, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (10 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  2. M1941 Johnson machinegun, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. FM 24/29, cal. 7,5x54mm (france) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Charlton Automatic Rifle, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (New Zld) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Browning wz 1928, cal. 7,92x57mm (poland) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Type 96 light machine gun, cal. 6,5x50mm (japan) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Type 99 light machine gun, cal. 7,7x58mm (japan) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  8. Breda m1930 light machine gun, cal. 6,5x52mm (italy) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  9. Lahti-Saloranta M/26, cal. 7,62x53Rmm (finland) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. DP-28/ DPM, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  11. ZB vz 26, cal. 7,92x57mm (Czechoslovakia, germany) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Lewis gun, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (1 vote [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  13. BREN, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (11 votes [44.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.00%

Best general purpose air cooled machine gun?

  1. Browning M1919A4, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (8 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  2. MG 34, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  3. MG 42, cal. 7,92x57mm (germany) (14 votes [53.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

  4. SG-43, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Type 92 heavy machine gun, cal. 7,7x58mm (japan) (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

Best water cooled machine gun?

  1. M1917A1 Browning machine gun, cal. .30-06 (7,62x63mm) (USA) (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  2. Vickers machine gun, cal. .303 (7,7x56Rmm) (UK) (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  3. Pulemyot Maxima M1910, cal. 7,62x54Rmm (URSS) (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

Vote Hide poll

bigbobthewhite #1 Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:21 AM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 11968 battles
  • 252
  • Member since:
    08-05-2013

Many of us are interested in tanks obviously, but, certainly also into other weapons.

 

 

 

Just answer the poll, and comment/discuss.

 

 



Ohaithar #2 Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:16 AM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 407 battles
  • 1,918
  • Member since:
    01-15-2014

Pistols: When I think about a pistol, I really think about round commonality. So I went for the more common 9mm round guns. It got tied with the Browning HP for its ammo capacity and the P38 for its lower weight and higher kinetic energy value, plus it's generally more reliable than the Luger. The selling point though is being able to use 9mm Parabellum on all these pistols. It's not about sheer performance only, it's also about whether you can use what the enemy is using.

 

Rifles: Usually I consider them to be equally as overkill, and since they don't share the same rounds, it's really hard to decide. Still, the Mosin would get my vote since it still has a lot of punch, but has weight to compensate unlike the K98, plus it has that infamous muzzle flash that screams lethality. And the Springfield too for the same reasons. Since pretty much all rifles are overkill, practicality is the only factor.

 

SMGs: Commonality wins this round. The MP 40 gets my vote since it's pretty controllable due to a low rate of fire. However, the PPSh has such a high rate of fire that I'd feel stupid to neglect it. In it goes. One is great for pressure, one is great for controlled barrages and using the enemy's ammo. Having the ability to use enemy or allied ammo is a significant advantage, and this is part of why NATO standardized its rounds.

 

Semi-auto rifles: The M1 Garand was tried and proven in combat, and it really satisfied most people that used it. Slightly less Springfield kill power, good sustainable rate of fire (it depends on your trigger finger for once, not just the bolt) and no bolt to worry about makes it great at rapid response fire. Second goes to the SKS due to versatility as well. That and I like the SKS because it's an SKS. What's not to love about an SKS? I find it the second most Russian weapon, with the Mosin taking the lead by far.

 

Full auto rifles: The moment you've mentioned the FG 42, I just jumped on. It's very much a primitive SAW, capable of dealing excellent suppression while still being quite easy to carry unlike say, the MG 34. Yes, it kicks hard, but for a weapon that simply is capable of dealing long range suppression without needing to set up any longer than you would with a Mosin is simply an advantage I cannot forget about. The M2 carbine is my second vote, since it actually is an AR, and unlike the StG, it's quite light. And even then it's possible to control the rate of fire. I find it more of a Korean War weapon though, and its bullets are less damaging than the shortened 7.92mm of the StG. I still like it though. It's a good solid weapon that doesn't require strong arms nor a strong back.

 

AT rifle: I don't like 20mm rifles. Blame me for not liking their weight and recoil. I then chose the PTRS-41, as it's highly penetrating; even more than the Boys.  Along with that, the Panzerbuchse is also in since as a squeeze-bore weapon, it did do a number against early tanks. And I do believe it may have less kick than the PTRS, and is much lighter.

 

HEAT weapon: I'm fond of Panzerfausts, mainly in urban combat where its range problems aren't too visible. It penetrates Jumbos frontally, and is compact and light for such a weapon. For a second option, I chose the bazooka as it's also light, but it has actual range. The Panzerschreck's rockets are simply too heavy.

 

Mag-fed MG: BAR. It's also one of the main concepts of SAWs imo. It's heavier than the FG 42, but it doesn't kick as much. I'm very sure a good amount of US troops used the BAR a bit like a German would use an FG 42. Next would be the Bren. Heavier at 10 kg, but it's still quite a great weapon. Imo, the DP MG was a bit bulky with its magazines. It's a good suppression weapon, but I really have doubts about bulk.

 

Air-cooled MG: The MG 42 is comically dangerous with 1.5k RPM. Just that alone and the fact that it's still being used today under a different name just makes it worthy of a spot here. Second goes to the Browning. The SG's primarily mounted on wheel mounts, and that alone makes me doubt whether the reliability is worth it.

 

Water-cooled MG: Vickers MG. The Maxim is on wheel mounts most of the time, so I dislike it. Then with weight factored in, I preferred the Vickers.



LUNSSI #3 Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:34 AM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 14740 battles
  • 2,370
  • Member since:
    06-13-2013
Some reasonable answers but aslo much COD fanboy votes too..:child:

bigbobthewhite #4 Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:23 AM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 11968 battles
  • 252
  • Member since:
    08-05-2013

View PostOhaithar, on 10 May 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

Pistols: When I think about a pistol, I really think about round commonality. So I went for the more common 9mm round guns. It got tied with the Browning HP for its ammo capacity and the P38 for its lower weight and higher kinetic energy value, plus it's generally more reliable than the Luger. The selling point though is being able to use 9mm Parabellum on all these pistols. It's not about sheer performance only, it's also about whether you can use what the enemy is using.

 

Rifles: Usually I consider them to be equally as overkill, and since they don't share the same rounds, it's really hard to decide. Still, the Mosin would get my vote since it still has a lot of punch, but has weight to compensate unlike the K98, plus it has that infamous muzzle flash that screams lethality. And the Springfield too for the same reasons. Since pretty much all rifles are overkill, practicality is the only factor.

 

SMGs: Commonality wins this round. The MP 40 gets my vote since it's pretty controllable due to a low rate of fire. However, the PPSh has such a high rate of fire that I'd feel stupid to neglect it. In it goes. One is great for pressure, one is great for controlled barrages and using the enemy's ammo. Having the ability to use enemy or allied ammo is a significant advantage, and this is part of why NATO standardized its rounds.

 

Semi-auto rifles: The M1 Garand was tried and proven in combat, and it really satisfied most people that used it. Slightly less Springfield kill power, good sustainable rate of fire (it depends on your trigger finger for once, not just the bolt) and no bolt to worry about makes it great at rapid response fire. Second goes to the SKS due to versatility as well. That and I like the SKS because it's an SKS. What's not to love about an SKS? I find it the second most Russian weapon, with the Mosin taking the lead by far.

 

Full auto rifles: The moment you've mentioned the FG 42, I just jumped on. It's very much a primitive SAW, capable of dealing excellent suppression while still being quite easy to carry unlike say, the MG 34. Yes, it kicks hard, but for a weapon that simply is capable of dealing long range suppression without needing to set up any longer than you would with a Mosin is simply an advantage I cannot forget about. The M2 carbine is my second vote, since it actually is an AR, and unlike the StG, it's quite light. And even then it's possible to control the rate of fire. I find it more of a Korean War weapon though, and its bullets are less damaging than the shortened 7.92mm of the StG. I still like it though. It's a good solid weapon that doesn't require strong arms nor a strong back.

 

AT rifle: I don't like 20mm rifles. Blame me for not liking their weight and recoil. I then chose the PTRS-41, as it's highly penetrating; even more than the Boys.  Along with that, the Panzerbuchse is also in since as a squeeze-bore weapon, it did do a number against early tanks. And I do believe it may have less kick than the PTRS, and is much lighter.

 

HEAT weapon: I'm fond of Panzerfausts, mainly in urban combat where its range problems aren't too visible. It penetrates Jumbos frontally, and is compact and light for such a weapon. For a second option, I chose the bazooka as it's also light, but it has actual range. The Panzerschreck's rockets are simply too heavy.

 

Mag-fed MG: BAR. It's also one of the main concepts of SAWs imo. It's heavier than the FG 42, but it doesn't kick as much. I'm very sure a good amount of US troops used the BAR a bit like a German would use an FG 42. Next would be the Bren. Heavier at 10 kg, but it's still quite a great weapon. Imo, the DP MG was a bit bulky with its magazines. It's a good suppression weapon, but I really have doubts about bulk.

 

Air-cooled MG: The MG 42 is comically dangerous with 1.5k RPM. Just that alone and the fact that it's still being used today under a different name just makes it worthy of a spot here. Second goes to the Browning. The SG's primarily mounted on wheel mounts, and that alone makes me doubt whether the reliability is worth it.

 

Water-cooled MG: Vickers MG. The Maxim is on wheel mounts most of the time, so I dislike it. Then with weight factored in, I preferred the Vickers.

 

 

Hey, interesting answer :) (you always have)

 

Well, I think I should mention my choices too!

 

-Pistol: same as you... 9mm is the best round, and HP 35 and P38 are simply the best guns of the time. P 38 with high cap magazine would be even better than the browning, but, 8 vs 13 rounds, I chose the browning. Others are good pistols, but, simply not as much. TT-33 surely wins range and penetration, while Colt wins stoping power.

 

-Bolt-actions: I choose Lee Enfiled N°4, simply because: [edited]on closing the bolt (faster move), peep sight, very strong construction, 10 rounds magazine, and, the 303 has less kick than others... However, I do love mosin nagants in general, and the M44 carbine is quite handy, with a nice punch, the finish M39 is very accurate and finely made, mosins are probably what you want above all in -30° weather. The Kar98k is a great rifle too, but... offers nothing special. Springfield 1903A3 with peep sight is a nice rifle. the US P17 is great, with 6 rounds of 30-06...

 

-SMG: I choose PPS-43. Simply the best and cheapest. Good range and penetration, 35 rounds mag (reliable), folds like the MP40 but is lighter... etc. I do love thompson, but, I know it's a poor weapon compared to PPS or Mp40... :) The Sten mark V is decent. M3 is good, but, I don't like it. PPSh 41, well, I think it's great, but PPS is better.

 

-Semi auto: I think i'd choose the SVT-40, it has more simplicity to it than the M1 garand, and simpler alimentation, with 10 rounds. However, I do love the garand, and it's a toe actually for me. G43... Meh... Just a cheap SVT-40 clone more or less. M1 carbine is actually great, but, i much preffer the range, accuracy, and stopping power of normal rifles. M1 carbine, yeah, i'd take it over rifles in tigh city fight however. I don't get your killing power point... M1 and M1903 strictly use the same ammo. M1 garand is very accurate as well. SKS was used in limited qty in late phases of the war, but it's not really a WW2 weapon... Still, I think it's a good weapon, probably better than all the rest in the category.

 

-assault rifles: yeah FG42 is strange, but, it's more a rifle than a LMG. My vote goes to STG-44 here... reliable, powerful round, and quite good overall, a bit heavy... AVT-40 is great, but, too light for real useful auto fire. AS-44 was also tested like SKS, but, anecdotical, surely not better than the STG-44. MKB 42 was prototype of STG44 but fielded in good qty in 1942-1943, worth mentioning, but, STG 44 is better. AVS-36 was pretty fragile, but 15 rounds magazine was a good feature. M2 carbine... yeah, not really WW2 weapon, but actually used in the pacific in 1945, and some in europe too. Imho, round is not good enough, but it's a fine close combat weapon.

 

-AT rifles: same, I chose PTRS-41. PTRD-41 is lighter and totally reliable though... PTRS offers successive shot capability that might actually kill the vehicule. 20mm rifles are too heavy, and, penetrate no more than the powerful soviet 14.5mm. Other rifles are simply crap... PZb 39 was not squeeze bore at all, just a high power 7.92 rifle. It was handier and certainly a good weapon against very poor tanks like T-26.

 

-HEAT: I chose Panzerfaust too, you simply can't beat that cheapness, number, and effectiveness. Panzerschreck is however a reliable medium range killer. Bazooka was simply not powerful enough, too small caliber. The russian hand held HEAT grenades could be very usefull and devastating.

 

-mag fed lmg: I think the polish modification of the BAR is the best, but, bren is great, bar is good, and, Zb 26 is nice. russian DPM has a good capacity advantage. Imho, main problem with BAR is the 20rnd mag... 30rnd is best.

 

-air cooled MG: I choose MG42, simply no contest. Still rocking today, but, the 1919A4 is a goooooooood supression weapon with heavy barrel. Others are....meh. SG-43 actually quite a good hard hitting supression weapon, but, totally lacks mobility. It also made a very good tank coaxial MG (SGMT), but, not in WW2... (T-54 and up to T-62)

 

-water cooled: I choose the russian maxim, simply for its reliability, hard hitting round, and importance during WW2. Without it, russian infantry would have collapsed, it was the most important tool in holding the ground. Vickers might be "better", I don't like the 303 for MG job (770m/s vs 820 for the 7.62x54), and I simply don't like it as much as the M1910.






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users