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Prussian12 #81 Posted 27 March 2016 - 07:28 PM

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The AMX 13 75 isn't even that bad. I have a 58% winrate in it and sure, it's lacking compare to other tier 7 lights, but it's not a bad tank in general.


Chester_Chuckles #82 Posted 27 March 2016 - 08:50 PM

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View PostPrussian12, on 27 March 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

The AMX 13 75 isn't even that bad. I have a 58% winrate in it and sure, it's lacking compare to other tier 7 lights, but it's not a bad tank in general.

 

Really?  ...  over how many games?

 



r00barb #83 Posted 27 March 2016 - 11:27 PM

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View PostChester_Chuckles, on 27 March 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Really?  ...  over how many games?

 

The account he's linked to only shows his French lights up to the AMX 38 (tier III). Doesn't list a 13 75 so it must be on another account. :rolleyes:

 

FWIW, I'm sort of ok with the 13 75. The pen's disappointing but is enough to go through the sides and rear of a T110E5 so it's more about making the opportunity than relying on the gun. My crew have Snap Shot and Smooth Ride at 75% each, which means firing on the move isn't a total lottery, can put one or two shells from a clip into a pursuing light tank's face to dissuade them as you run for cover or support.

 

I've just got the first MoE, win rate of 54% over 107 games so it's not completely horrible but it's still a slightly enlarged 12 t and as such, won't have a home in my garage once the grind's over. I mentioned in my review (link) that it feels like a tier filler before you get the 13 90 and I stand by that. I prefer the 13 57 regardless of what tier match-making puts you in.



Prussian12 #84 Posted 29 March 2016 - 01:14 AM

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View PostChester_Chuckles, on 27 March 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

Really?  ...  over how many games?

 

 

http://worldoftanks....562-Prussian12/

 

if you're so interested



Fluffy_The_Destroyer #85 Posted 29 March 2016 - 01:19 PM

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The whole AMX LT line is a bunch of fail tbh (besides ELC). beyond low penetration. poor acceleration go hand in hand for a terrible combination. not to mention T71 is just all around better. 13 75 has not a SINGLE thing better than T71. nothing. thats WG balance for you. lets not even start with WalkerBulldog.

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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 29 March 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

13 75 has not a SINGLE thing better than T71. nothing. thats WG balance for you.

 

That's not strictly true. 1375 has better DPM and camo. Your overall point stands though, the T71 does indeed render the 1375 completely obsolete. 



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 29 March 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

That's not strictly true. 1375 has better DPM and camo. Your overall point stands though, the T71 does indeed render the 1375 completely obsolete. 

 

I'd argue the Bulldog makes it obsolete-ier. Either way, it's not great plus the tier 8 options don't look much better. The 13 90 only really looks good in comparison to the T49 with its derp gun; fit the 90mm and the differences get a lot less. At least it's got an auto-loader, he said totally not grasping at straws.

 

In a way it makes me happy that I chose to pursue this line before the others. At least I can get it out of the way without direct experience of the better options so I'm not forever swearing at the 13 75, only when it's facing a Bulldog or T54 ltwt. I still sort of like it, my win rate's up to 55% in this tank after spending the weekend grinding through it and it does at least give you the two-part play style necessary for the BatChat (passive early on with opportunity shots, active later when other tanks are damaged and you can take advantage) so it's good in that respect.

 

Besides, it's a necessary evil if you want the BC and I do want the BC :)



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View PostStrappster, on 29 March 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'd argue the Bulldog makes it obsolete-ier. Either way, it's not great plus the tier 8 options don't look much better. The 13 90 only really looks good in comparison to the T49 with its derp gun; fit the 90mm and the differences get a lot less. At least it's got an auto-loader, he said totally not grasping at straws.

 

You're probably right about the Bulldog, but I've not played it and I thought the T71 is a very similar machine to the 1375 (down to the 6 shell autoloader) but just better. Personally, so far I actually enjoyed the 1375 more than the 1390. That 90mm gun just drives me nuts. 



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The Bulldog makes my heart sink a little every time I see one on the enemy team - 10-shot auto-loader with 2-second interclip and APCR as standard giving 175 pen, it's small consolation that it takes half-a-minute to reload when a clip can do 1,500 alpha. It's faster, all the soft stats are better except for dispersion on turret traverse (0.16 vs. 0.14) and accuracy (0.38 vs. 0.35).

 

The 13 75 does get slightly better camo ratings and a little bit more armour - against tier 10s that makes all the difference you'd expect.



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Yeah, I will get around to playing the Bulldog eventually. Then I can see what all the fuss is about, but on paper it does look very (too?) good. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 29 March 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Yeah, I will get around to playing the Bulldog eventually. Then I can see what all the fuss is about, but on paper it does look very (too?) good. 

 

I don't have enough experience of other tanks in the tier to say whether it's too good but it certainly makes the 13 75 feel outdated when you're playing against one.

 

I've pulled up the figures for each of the regular tier VII lights here on tanks.gg, selecting the auto-loader for the Bulldog as it's not rated as the top gun. The 13 75 has considerably less pen and delivers the least damage from all of them. The DPM looks good in comparison but I think that's a flawed stat for this purpose as it only applies if you can pen.

 

Where it wins is in camo value, which points to it being most suited to being played as a passive spotter. I'm not touting my skills as a tank tester but when I've tried to play it as an active scout I've nearly always come off second best against enemy lights. But if you park it in a dense bush with a net, binocs and a reasonable camo skill, enemy tanks can get as close as 75m without seeing you whereas you'll see them at around 100m, even without optics or binocs (comparison run on wotinfo camo calculator, AMX 13 75 with vents, 85% camo skill, net and paint in 50% bush vs. Bulldog with the same options).

 

IMO, the bottom line is that the 13 75 is much more dependent on the team than other tier VII lights. It's good in the second phase, when enemy tanks have been damaged and you have space to push flanks and can get behind them through gaps created by destroyed tanks (though which light tank isn't) but if your team haven't been able to inflict that damage, there's not much you can do while the other lights can at least deliver enough damage to make the enemy think twice. You could switch to prem on the 13 75 but same goes for all the others and it's still the worst pen and damage in its class.

 

The HD model of the AMX 13 90 is apparently coming in the next patch; hopefully WG will update the 13 75 at the same time as the models are identical when stock except for a few tiny details. It's unlikely that there'll be any buffing though, given that mobility and dispersion on the 13 75 were both buffed in 9.13. Maybe if we wish really hard and sacrifice a Luchs to RNGesus ...



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View PostStrappster, on 31 March 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Maybe if we wish really hard and sacrifice a Luchs to RNGesus ...

 

Pretty sure sacrificing a Luchs contravenes numerous international laws. It is soooo cute!



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 31 March 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

Pretty sure sacrificing a Luchs contravenes numerous international laws. It is soooo cute!

 

Which is why it's the most suitable sacrifice. Don't you know anything about sacrificing pixel tanks to please a fickle imaginary God?



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View PostStrappster, on 31 March 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

Which is why it's the most suitable sacrifice. Don't you know anything about sacrificing pixel tanks to please a fickle imaginary God?

 

Apparently not! 

The_OrcMan #95 Posted 19 April 2016 - 04:46 PM

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My biggest problem with this tank is the very low ammo capacity. I have all female crew in my 13 75 and the tank is really fun to play after the amx 12t. I have played 56 games in this tank and have 58,93% winrate with 2683 average wn8.

Here is one of my best games in 13 75:
http://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=220694#team

 

equipment in use: vents, optics, gun laying drive. With the female crew and this gear actual viewrange is 447m and reload time is 14,67 seconds.



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View PostOrkkimies, on 19 April 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

My biggest problem with this tank is the very low ammo capacity. I have all female crew in my 13 75 and the tank is really fun to play after the amx 12t. I have played 56 games in this tank and have 58,93% winrate with 2683 average wn8.

Here is one of my best games in 13 75:
http://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=220694#team

 

equipment in use: vents, optics, gun laying drive. With the female crew and this gear actual viewrange is 447m and reload time is 14,67 seconds.

 

I play 13 57F and it suffers the same fate as 13 75 in all aspects. just faster clip unload really. funny as hell unloading that clip. makes people panic.

spyblaster #97 Posted 08 May 2016 - 08:38 AM

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after buying the AMX 1357GF TIER 7 LIGHT .
I noticed that i cant go one versus one with a other tier 7 light bcs the alfa dmg is to low to kill every tier 7 with one single clip of schells .you need to kill a spic one full clip and 2 ore 3 schells , what the purpose of that ,,,???also the pen on tier 10 is not quit what it schould be.
will this special edition tank be buffed in the future to make it more fun to play ?
bcs now you can only play it properly for supporting and to many teammates complain in game for scouting if you do playing it like supporting.
For me a bit more dmg on the clip so you stand a chance against a other light tank (spic) with one clip would be very nice and some more pen on tier x would make this tank adorable funny to play with .Hoping that this will be a postive remark on this tank to get used in the future updates.

Finkburn #98 Posted 06 June 2016 - 10:13 PM

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Just started playing this thing and theres only one word for it: Trash.

Pen: Awful

Gunhandling: Awful

Alpha: Awful

Turning rate: Awful

Ridiculous tank compared to all the other Lights.

All the tanks from the 12t up to the Lorraine seem to be only there so you spend tons of credits and/or free XP to get the Batchat (for Clanwars). There is simply no other reason these tanks never got a buff.

 



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View PostFinkburn, on 06 June 2016 - 10:13 PM, said:

Just started playing this thing and theres only one word for it: Trash.

Pen: Awful

Gunhandling: Awful

Alpha: Awful

Turning rate: Awful

Ridiculous tank compared to all the other Lights.

All the tanks from the 12t up to the Lorraine seem to be only there so you spend tons of credits and/or free XP to get the Batchat (for Clanwars). There is simply no other reason these tanks never got a buff.

 

 

This is what happens when WG make a premium of a crap tank (the 13 75). bad prems from bad tanks. now you look at walker bulldog and a 10 round autoloader with more everything.. and then they make a premium based of it (M41 90mm) but 90mm is tier 8? BS and WG knows they f**ked up with M41 in the first place and should NEVER have been tier 7 to start with.

Don_Tanku #100 Posted 21 June 2016 - 09:48 AM

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This tank with AMX1390 are loved by a lot of players and not played anymore due to unbalanced evolution of the game.

 

Difference of pen, magasine, mobility  and everything are so important that even a bulldog can compete an AMX 1390 ... 

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Wargaming, please wake up ! New tanks are always better than old one please stop making tanks obsolete !






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