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 RaDaR_, on 03 June 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Aaand my mind was playing tricks. It was the 1948 and I was in T34 So the 180mm frontal is propably not that easily punched through.
Edited by libaf, 03 June 2012 - 12:31 PM.

What about model size?

Bigger than object? JT? something in the middle?

Dammit, it's nearly impossible to test it. Every game I played today had 5-6 artillery per side. Game turned into a 1-shot fest after 2-3mns :(

 OpCentar, on 03 June 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

About the same size as IS-7

IMO the AMX 50 Foch is the best combination of armor, speed and firepower in the whole game.

Let's just hope they don't ruin it with nerfs. (which is very likely to happen)

 Eeti, on 04 June 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Man, it's always the same...

With each patch, they are giving you OUTSTANDING tank with totally OP stats.
Players are grinding toward those tanks, BUYING gold to convert XP.
Then WG nerph those tanks so they are as bad as the rest.

Then here come the time for new patch...


This game is a buisness, it's made to made profit mate.

I can´t see how that tank is balanced. As far as I know, Jagdpanther mobility, Ferdinand armour with less papery weakspots and Jagdtiger DPM & accuracy. And all this at the cost of paper sides- not that the Jagdtiger can rely on that either- low alpha and low view range (?)
Edited by Platypusbill, 04 June 2012 - 10:22 AM.

Nearly the same gun then the JT, but with insane traverse and moving speed. Fast aim, reload and good accuracy will make it something you dont wanna get shot from distance + the good camo values. It will bounce MUCH more shots from distance then the JT. I would compare it to the T95. Same flat, same top weakspot, similar 120mm gun, but with SPEED. The AMX can outturn even a AMX 13 90 lol! Going to grind this line fosho.

 lonigus, on 04 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yeah!

I've had several Types, Pershing's, Lorraine's trying to flank my Foch, and they all ended up in flaming wreckage

Well, I guess we'll have a patch on the test server, before this goes live. Let's see what happens to the Foch then...

 Platypusbill, on 04 June 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

You mean having half the alpha of Object and 50% less alpha than JT is not enough? When alpha is the most important thing in this game?

BTW it also has quite less life than JT
Edited by Nixouf, 04 June 2012 - 02:48 PM.

Some interior screenshot:



Edited by Nixouf, 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM.

 Waroch, on 15 June 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Even a blind man can see that many French tanks look like German tanks

 yamifaker, on 04 June 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

It's only natural, really. Don't forget, at the end of WWII, France's industry was, not just in poor shape, but also years behind everyone. So their 1st projects (ALR/AMX45) are a weird mix of old designs and parts from 1940 with the best they could grab in 1945. The french army even used Panthers for a while!

 drothi, on 02 June 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

It´s at 45*, but due to normalisation it counts as 37 (giving it something like 220 effective).

 Nixouf, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Looks like every KV5s radio man will have a buddy from the Foch joining them in the afterlife.


Lol wut? 260HP ammo racks on top right side? you know the one with 50mm armor? hello wet ammo rack and safe stovage perk.
Edited by OpCentar, 04 June 2012 - 05:49 PM.

 Nixouf, on 04 June 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Alpha damage is IMO not as important as people make it out to be. It is useful when your enemy is exposed only for a moment, but when your enemy is available for a longer time, DPM reigns supreme, and the RoF means misses don´t cost as much damage output. The latter is why I didn´t mount the 10.5cm on my Jagdpanther, I like the long 8.8 much more than the T25 AT´s 105mm which is similar to the Jagdpanther´s top gun. The reliability alone is enough to secure a spot for the 8.8 despite the negligible DPM difference.

But this is a bit of a generalisation. If you are lucky, the slower gun might have just enough time to get off another shot, which renders the RoF advantage moot. Object 704 vs Jagdtiger:

JT hits for 560, 704 hits for 750. After 10 sec, Jagdtiger has reloaded and has done 1120 damage. After 15 sec the 704 hits again and outdamages the JT with its total 1500 damage dealt. @ 20 sec, JT hits again, total 1680 damage. @ 30 sec, the Jagdtiger gets the fourth shot and the 704 gets the third shot. At this point the damage done is 2240 vs 2250.

Beyond that, the cycle resets. The actual damage done is highly dependent on how long the enemy is out in the open- for the most part, alpha wins in peekaboo (unless you get to fire again with the faster gun before the target retreats) and DPM is better for flanking and sniping (unless the enemy is exposed for an amount of time that is in that awkward "slow gun barely gets off the second shot but the fast gun can´t load the third shell in time" interval- in the above example, this occurs at 15 sec).

I don´t know, maybe the arguably lower versatility of the gun and laughable side armour are enough to balance the Foch out, but I will remain skeptical for now.
Edited by Platypusbill, 05 June 2012 - 08:44 PM.

 yamifaker, on 04 June 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

After the war French engineers copied all good solutions from many tanks.
The shape for the tank were copied from german machines, the shape of frontal armor was copy of IS3 front.

You can say "that's bad, they copied everything! LOL"
But in the other hand, it was very smart. Why? Because they used well tested solutions

When u see this thing on live server ppl will be going

"What the Foch!"

 AgentOfBolas, on 06 June 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

That, plus there was the fact they operated a small fleet of ex-German tanks for some years and duly had an excellent opportunity to get closely aquainted with their features. (They apparently liked the basic armour geometry, not so much the front drive.)

Also a worthwhile thing to consider is that immediately post-war the French were in the unusual position of in effect having a "clean slate" to start out with, seeing as how they'd been effectively unable to do much meaningful R&D during the war years. This meant their production lines and design staffs weren't "locked in" particular models and doctrines, and instead had a relatively free hand to mix-and-match ideas and designs from all and sundry sources they could access and try to cherry-pick the best of the lot. IIRC some mentions I've read they for example made systematic comparisions between German and US gunsights to determine the designs' respective merits.
'Course, this also left the field open for some seriously avant-garde experiments as seen in the somewhat futuristic and radical AMX 50 family and the other peculiar oscillating-turret experiments, not to mention a very jeune école design philosophy also readily apparent in the otherwise conventional AMX-30 (and its German sibling).