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Orlund #21 Posted 14 June 2011 - 02:58 AM

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View Posttrispect, on 09 June 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

With what gun? Also might have something to do with your 65% hit ratio. OR then just very unlucky.

Tbh i don't really care that much about my hit rate since i mostly play for fun, And ofc since its a tiger i meant the L/71 88mm.

Xarper #22 Posted 14 June 2011 - 03:49 AM

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View PostDogmeat, on 10 June 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

What did you expect in a Tiger? It's a tier 7 tank, 3 tiers from the top! The T54 have to fight tier 10 tanks, keep that in mind.
Tiger's top gun has even more penetration than the top gun of tier 8 heavy of the US.

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Dogmeat #23 Posted 14 June 2011 - 07:03 AM

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L71 gun has 203mm average penetration which means you can have between 152 - 253mm penetration with 100% crew + vent + chocolate if the shot meets the plate from 90' angle = in labor environment.
The effective armor of the T54 front is ~200mm. Add the angle of your shoot, the shell normalization, your crew skills, distance etc. As you can see the Tiger has at least less than 40% chance to penetrate the T54 front armor, and this chance drastically decreases with angle.

And again, the T54 have to face IS-7, Maus, T30 and all of them can easily penetrate even the turret and ~2 shot the T54.  This means if you get tracked in a high tier combat, you are done.
But if you don't believe just level a T54 and you will see how amazing is that. :) Just don't be surprised ;)

SteelCity #24 Posted 18 June 2011 - 07:02 PM

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I am struggling big time with the T54 at the minute. Just hoping the last gun is a big improvement. My win/lose ratio went all way down to 40% at one point.

I absolutely love the look and feel of the tank though. I have no doubt my stats will improve a lot once i get it fully upgraded.

MrKristensen #25 Posted 18 June 2011 - 09:20 PM

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Play it as every other medium... I don't have one... yet. But I'd play it the way I would a T-34/85. Trying not to get hit, and relocate if trouble, or need, arises.

SteelCity #26 Posted 19 June 2011 - 02:10 AM

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Can't do that with the stock and 2nd gun (in my experience). Bare in mind the t54 is up against tier 9 and tanks almost every battle. 'If' i manage to get behind them i can do some damage. As it stands ATM i am carrying 50/50 AP and HE rounds just so i can actually do some damage in battles.

WinG_HU #27 Posted 19 June 2011 - 11:48 AM

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Okay, I'm done with the T-54. I can't make it work, seriously. I think I should've stopped at the T-44. I don't have any more credits, because I lose money in 90% of the battles, even when I kill and win the battle. Last time I shot 25 shells of which 24 hit the target. I also got a Defender medal. Credits: 50k. Repair: 19k. Ammo: 26k. Consumables: 6k. Altogether: -1k. This is



BULLSHIT.

TomasOneil #28 Posted 19 June 2011 - 12:33 PM

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It is NORMAL. Game concept is to make money in lower tier tanks. Highest T9 & T10 are expensive to use.
BTW i make money in T-44 without premium account. But yeah in T-54 you are all the time in tier 9-10 battles.

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View PostTomasOneil, on 19 June 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

It is NORMAL. Game concept is to make money in lower tier tanks. Highest T9 & T10 are expensive to use.
BTW i make money in T-44 without premium account. But yeah in T-54 you are all the time in tier 9-10 battles.

Very good game concept. Unfortunately I needed to sell all my tanks, because I don't have enough time to play a lot, so I didn't have enough time to grind credits for a new tank and keep the actual one at the same time. So I have a T-54 now and a BT-2, and 25000 credits altogether. I'm dreaming of a new engine, which costs 82000 credits, but that's too much for me, I don't think I'll ever make that sum.

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I wonder how did you get T-54 than? It is quite long "grind". And T-54 cost about 2,5 M i think, thats a lot.

But i have tip for you. Try get tier 5 or 6 (6 if you have premium), for example T-34, or KV.. and with it you can make 10-20k in one! battle easy :) And 1 or few battles dont take much of your time i guess :) It is max. 10 battles to get credits for that engine :)

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View PostTomasOneil, on 19 June 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

I wonder how did you get T-54 than? It is quite long "grind". And T-54 cost about 2,5 M i think, thats a lot.

But i have tip for you. Try get tier 5 or 6 (6 if you have premium), for example T-34, or KV.. and with it you can make 10-20k in one! battle easy :) And 1 or few battles dont take much of your time i guess :) It is max. 10 battles to get credits for that engine :)

Thanks, I'll definitely go for a KV. The 152mm derpgun seems real fun.

T-54 costs 2,94M, however I sold my T-44 which was worth around 1,3M, so I needed to grind only 1,6M, which wasn't that difficult with the T-44.

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T-54 without premium account is not playable at all (only to have a tier 5 tank and then 1 battle with T-54 and then 5-6 with Tier 5 tank). best thing (but it cost) for money is Lowe

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I'm going in to battle on the T54 and when i die i am jumping straight on to the T34-85. I am still making a profit this way but i haven't got the last gun on the T54 yet. I don't know how the dev's think it is realistic to charge 1200 credits for a 100mm shell though.

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I don't know how the dev's think it is realistic to charge 1200 credits for a 100mm shell though.
It's not supposed to be realistic this way. The main goal of high maintenance costs on tiers 8+ is to keep low tiers servers populated.
I'd say, that it's a solution a game company should choose if their game was not popular enough. But given pretty high amount of players, I'd say that it's pretty obvious that high ammo and repair costs have only one real goal - make you buy premium account.

When it comes to T54 - if you don't have premium, get ready to be playing few rounds with low tier tanks just to be able to play one round with your favorite one.

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T-54 without premium account is not playable at all
I have to agree on this one. I've played about 100 rounds with T54 without premium and after about 90% of rounds I found myself being forced to farm credits on T-34. The problem is, that if you want to have a high credit income you have to damage a lot of tanks = shoot a lot. But when every each of your shells costs over 1000 credits, you have to avoid taking damage as much as possible, which is quite impossible in T54..

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View PostVidek, on 19 June 2011 - 11:54 PM, said:

I'd say, that it's a solution a game company should choose if their game was not popular enough. But given pretty high amount of players, I'd say that it's pretty obvious that high ammo and repair costs have only one real goal - make you buy premium account.

WoT has many players now. It's been 2 (3?) months since release and already many have high tier tanks. Imagine what would happen (mainly on forums) when they would not implement such upkeep costs in the first place and then in 5-12 months were forced to create and activate it due to the lack of low tier tanks in games. Also then premium users could have valid point for refunds (huge change in gameplay).

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View PostDogmeat, on 10 June 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

General tips for driving the T54- NEVER STOP- Don't get into frontal fighting, don't stop to ping-pong enemy tanks! Leave that for the heavies.- You are a flying terror, just drive, hit & run to the next target, or if you find something alone, go circle around, or at least move forward / backward continoustly.

I agree that it's a really good rule of thumb, however, the (apparently stock) T-54 driver who insisted on trying to drive in circles around my VK3002, which was equipped with L70 and stock turret, met his demise all the way from 100%, in a secluded spot, one on one. If he'd kept the front on me there would have been zero chance to penetrate. Would have probably worked well on a VK4502 though!

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The problem is also the play style. The gun is so inaccurate that you are forced to brawl and be killed quite fast. With the Panther 2 you can play more safely because it has a great weapon for sniping. Also after the last patch the armor doesnt bounce like it used to bounce in beta.

kymrel #38 Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:51 AM

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My T-54 bounces a lot of shots from T7 and under heavies and T8 and under meds. From the tanks that really matter, the big heavies you need to engage to win the match, it bounces very little.

I find that the best matches I have in the T-54 are either where I have lots of other meds to wolfpack with or where I wait to engage until the battle lines have formed and then try to annoy and flank the enemy heavies while they are preoccupied with my teammate's heavies. When I get impatient with camper buddies and rush in first I usually have fun and do damage, but get squashed like a fly in short order against competent opponents.

The T-54 has a hell of a rep so enemy players tend to give that tank their full attention, and all available ammo, as soon as you show your face close to the enemy, and right up until the time when your tank is a smoking wreak. This can be a bit annoying to say the least :)

On average I manage a slight profit driving the T-54. Sometimes I loose big, other times win big, but on average a small profit. This is with the last gun though, until I had that my penetration and damage was simply to low to break even, even with less ammo cost.

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You guys must be the worst medium tank players in the World. The T-54 is a great tank, sure its not the crazy UFO of beta days but even now its a force to be reckoned with.

The 2 things to keep in mind is dont engage multiple tier9 or T10 heavies if you are alone. Never. Ever. AND Dont stop. Never. Ever.

If you find yourself in a one on one situation with any Tier9 or T10 heavy (apart from an IS7) then that is a free kill for you in most cases.

The T54 is a brilliant medium tank. Best Ive tried, it just needs good brawler play which most people in this game cant really grasp and its understandable because most tanks really suck when firing on the move.

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View PostJamezdin, on 20 June 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

You guys must be the worst medium tank players in the World.
Let's see. You have about 48% win rate with your T-54. With that particular tank I have a 57% win rate. I am not in a clan, I have never even been in a platoon. Or was it somebody else you were talking about?

View PostJamezdin, on 20 June 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

If you find yourself in a one on one situation with any Tier9 or T10 heavy (apart from an IS7) then that is a free kill for you in most cases.
Assuming of course that the heavy player is a very poor player. Or possibly a bot. Try to circle a T30. Go ahead. Try.




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