ISU-152 "Beast Killer"
Revan87
08 Jun 2011
Beast killer my ass. All freakin russian tanks are beast killers in this chicken REMOVED game you russian suck-ups call wot. How about leaving aside the communist propaganda and tell us about the beast killer that was the Tiger Tank and how the whole world knows this yet you cling to stalin's regimm.
FOR DEVS http://www.quarterto...is-hell/ The russians got REMOVED by a small country like germany but you don't like to admit it...ey !?
Maybe you missed it, but similar articles were published already about German and US vehicles as well. And this is the first time I see Tiger nicknamed "beast killer".
Maybe you missed it as well, but Stalin has now same station in game (re. nicknames and stuff) like Hitler.
Maybe you also missed gun mantlets of German tanks were fixed (along with many other problems).
What you ought not have missed are forum rules. Especially the bits about trolling, insults and excessive profanity:
For multiple insults contained in the post, you are placed on a 7-day suspension. If you want to criticise, do so in a normal, polite manner next time.
/Tuccy
FOR DEVS http://www.quarterto...is-hell/ The russians got REMOVED by a small country like germany but you don't like to admit it...ey !?
Maybe you missed it, but similar articles were published already about German and US vehicles as well. And this is the first time I see Tiger nicknamed "beast killer".
Maybe you missed it as well, but Stalin has now same station in game (re. nicknames and stuff) like Hitler.
Maybe you also missed gun mantlets of German tanks were fixed (along with many other problems).
What you ought not have missed are forum rules. Especially the bits about trolling, insults and excessive profanity:
Spoiler
Spoiler
For multiple insults contained in the post, you are placed on a 7-day suspension. If you want to criticise, do so in a normal, polite manner next time.
/Tuccy
RAZORLIGHT
08 Jun 2011
KrieGsgotT, on 07 June 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:
Shermans tried to prevent Nazis from capturing the central square and lock them into adjacent streets while ISU-152s were taking firing positions.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
pls dont mix with the SS
ThaTrip
08 Jun 2011
RAZORLIGHT, on 08 June 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:
well ppl dont know most german soldiers of the wehrmacht werent nazis, only soldiers....
pls dont mix with the SS
pls dont mix with the SS
lol nice comeback Razor
LiannaSilverwind
08 Jun 2011
RAZORLIGHT, on 08 June 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:
well ppl dont know most german soldiers of the wehrmacht werent nazis, only soldiers....
pls dont mix with the SS
pls dont mix with the SS
The same thing happens to many memoirs. Other nations called Soviet soldiers Russians, although there were dozens of different nationalities fighting on Soviet side. Soviet soldiers always called Germans Nazi or Fascists, etc.
Eide
08 Jun 2011
RAZORLIGHT, on 08 June 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:
well ppl dont know most german soldiers of the wehrmacht werent nazis, only soldiers....
pls dont mix with the SS
pls dont mix with the SS
gustav_fuchs
08 Jun 2011
KrieGsgotT, on 07 June 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:
Shermans tried to prevent Nazis from capturing the central square and lock them into adjacent streets while ISU-152s were taking firing positions.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
This is a peace of memoirs and it describes the hostilities against 6. SS-Panzerarmee under command of Josef Dietrich. So, Nazi troops they were, actually.
MrCaffeLatte
08 Jun 2011
tvih, on 07 June 2011 - 11:56 PM, said:
As for the article... they made it a bit hard to read. More paragraphs, and at times the English could use a bit of fine-tuning. The content itself is nice, though.
Sorry to say man, but you're talking nonsense.
Frontal armor is hardly impressive. Contrary to what you say, the mantlet is the one spot where you are highly unlikely to ever penetrate. By comparison a Jagdtiger is a tough nut to crack from the front. Much, much more so than the Object. Hell, even the Ferdi is harder to penetrate than the Object. That you bounced from an Object a few times says nothing. I bounce on targets with less than 100mm armor with the BL-10 at times, even when it's not just a "glancing blow".
Never had a shot that penetrated but didn't do damage with the BL-10? I guess you never fired more than a dozen rounds then, because I get those all the time, even outside the usual zero-damage detracking hits. So, with these plus ghost shells plus the BL-10's slooow rate of fire, you're often less than effective to say the least.
Sorry to say man, but you're talking nonsense.
Frontal armor is hardly impressive. Contrary to what you say, the mantlet is the one spot where you are highly unlikely to ever penetrate. By comparison a Jagdtiger is a tough nut to crack from the front. Much, much more so than the Object. Hell, even the Ferdi is harder to penetrate than the Object. That you bounced from an Object a few times says nothing. I bounce on targets with less than 100mm armor with the BL-10 at times, even when it's not just a "glancing blow".
Never had a shot that penetrated but didn't do damage with the BL-10? I guess you never fired more than a dozen rounds then, because I get those all the time, even outside the usual zero-damage detracking hits. So, with these plus ghost shells plus the BL-10's slooow rate of fire, you're often less than effective to say the least.
ThaTrip, on 08 June 2011 - 08:59 AM, said:
@ KrieGsgotT: Please go grind the Russian TD. And leave the German TD's. You are talking rubbish.
The BL10 is inaccurate, slower ROF.
And you say the Object704 has better armor, really do you even know the tanks and their weakspots. You can hardly miss them on the Object704.
Also in CB I tested it out. Object704 with the BL10 vs the JagdTiger with the L61 (is in the CB forum section somewhere).
I checked how the JT was against a Object704 both facing each other frontal. Tested out AP shells, Premium shells, He shells. So we both facing each other. Aiming for the weakspots on the frontal armor using first AP, 2nd round APCR, 3rd round HE shells. And I was suprised to be honest. Then we tested this out again not shooting at the weakspots. So 4th round AP rounds loaded, shooting at the superstructure of the JT and the gun mantle at the Object704, the 5th round APCR, 6th round HE. The JT in the old condition won sometimes, and sometimes the Object704 won. The driver of the Object and me both decided. The tanks were nicely balanced out. Ok maybe the JT needed a little buff.
This buff has been introduced to us in OB at patch 6.4
And I can say the 200HP boost and the little more armor on the front of the JT, and the improved L61. I say the JT is better overall now then the Object704. People saying that is not true. The JT is better armored and is in overall better now as the Object704.
Sure the BL10 does more damage when it hits. But we have a better ROF + better accuracy.
Also I can shoot targets like a little scout tank (A20 for example) from a range of 500m in 1 shot.
Example. I see a little A20 hitting his top speed (that is 72km/h). Driving 5 squares away from me (that is almost half of the map). I follow this little one. Shoot and poof A20 is dead. Now go try do that with the Object704. I bet you out of 5 tries you do this, at least miss it 2 times. Because of the inaccuracy the BL10 brings with it. While if I would do this 5 times with a JT. I have 5 times a kill.
So in the end. The BL10 does really a nice damage. But is inaccurate compared to the L61.
The BL10 has slower ROF. And the object704 is not that armored as the JT. Learn the weakspots of the object704.
And if you don't know those. Well then you can always load premium shells. With premium shells you even penetrate the awesome gun mantle of the Object704.
But first learn your JT, and the other tanks their vunerable spots before you judge ok. (Yes I read you had an Object704 (btw this was in CB before 6.4 got introduced, the Object got nerved for your record), do you know you have 2 BIG weakspots on the left front and right front of your armor)
You have your JT for what 2 weeks now. Or not even. And you say Object704 is better. You should become a skilled German TD'er before you judge buddy.
And if you check my stats yes I have not so many rounds in my JT (yet). But then again I have an account called TrIpMo. This is my main account it's on the US forums. Used it in CB. I have more the 4000+ battles alone in a JT together with my ThaTrip account. So I know what I am talking about it.
But if you wanna continue about this Object704 vs JT. I am willing to give feedback. But please send me a PM then. This thread is about the ISU-152 and not about the Object nor the JT. So try keep it clean. I only commented once on you because you are so wrong about it, really you are.
The BL10 is inaccurate, slower ROF.
And you say the Object704 has better armor, really do you even know the tanks and their weakspots. You can hardly miss them on the Object704.
Also in CB I tested it out. Object704 with the BL10 vs the JagdTiger with the L61 (is in the CB forum section somewhere).
I checked how the JT was against a Object704 both facing each other frontal. Tested out AP shells, Premium shells, He shells. So we both facing each other. Aiming for the weakspots on the frontal armor using first AP, 2nd round APCR, 3rd round HE shells. And I was suprised to be honest. Then we tested this out again not shooting at the weakspots. So 4th round AP rounds loaded, shooting at the superstructure of the JT and the gun mantle at the Object704, the 5th round APCR, 6th round HE. The JT in the old condition won sometimes, and sometimes the Object704 won. The driver of the Object and me both decided. The tanks were nicely balanced out. Ok maybe the JT needed a little buff.
This buff has been introduced to us in OB at patch 6.4
And I can say the 200HP boost and the little more armor on the front of the JT, and the improved L61. I say the JT is better overall now then the Object704. People saying that is not true. The JT is better armored and is in overall better now as the Object704.
Sure the BL10 does more damage when it hits. But we have a better ROF + better accuracy.
Also I can shoot targets like a little scout tank (A20 for example) from a range of 500m in 1 shot.
Example. I see a little A20 hitting his top speed (that is 72km/h). Driving 5 squares away from me (that is almost half of the map). I follow this little one. Shoot and poof A20 is dead. Now go try do that with the Object704. I bet you out of 5 tries you do this, at least miss it 2 times. Because of the inaccuracy the BL10 brings with it. While if I would do this 5 times with a JT. I have 5 times a kill.
So in the end. The BL10 does really a nice damage. But is inaccurate compared to the L61.
The BL10 has slower ROF. And the object704 is not that armored as the JT. Learn the weakspots of the object704.
And if you don't know those. Well then you can always load premium shells. With premium shells you even penetrate the awesome gun mantle of the Object704.
But first learn your JT, and the other tanks their vunerable spots before you judge ok. (Yes I read you had an Object704 (btw this was in CB before 6.4 got introduced, the Object got nerved for your record), do you know you have 2 BIG weakspots on the left front and right front of your armor)
You have your JT for what 2 weeks now. Or not even. And you say Object704 is better. You should become a skilled German TD'er before you judge buddy.
And if you check my stats yes I have not so many rounds in my JT (yet). But then again I have an account called TrIpMo. This is my main account it's on the US forums. Used it in CB. I have more the 4000+ battles alone in a JT together with my ThaTrip account. So I know what I am talking about it.
But if you wanna continue about this Object704 vs JT. I am willing to give feedback. But please send me a PM then. This thread is about the ISU-152 and not about the Object nor the JT. So try keep it clean. I only commented once on you because you are so wrong about it, really you are.
+1 both of you. People are under the impression the Object is the be-all and end-all of TDs. In actuality it's quite a pain to play. In Beta it was fun, but now it's disappointing. The armour was never amazing, and the accuracy was always random, but now the accuracy is much worse. The JT is undoubtedly the superior TD.
theta0123
08 Jun 2011
KrieGsgotT, on 07 June 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:
Shermans tried to prevent Nazis from capturing the central square and lock them into adjacent streets while ISU-152s were taking firing positions.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
I have high respect for the regular german soldier. Every normal soldier in WW2 just wanted to go home. But the SS was filled with scum wich deserve to be called Nazi's
(Not all though. Take 5th SS division Wiking. Many foreign soldiers knew that they where in a SS devision, when they where already at the eastfront)
And here you see many people calling Wargaming like communists. And then people also happily budge in and give +1 for such a comment. Or dozens of people who called every russian soldier "Communist" or "Soviet". Not a SINGLE person then stands up for that. Oh wait, i did once. In a proper way just like you did. What happend? -35 karma on my post.
Scrap
08 Jun 2011
theta0123, on 08 June 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:
SS troops where at that battle?Huge diffrence between regular wehrmacht and SS. 95% or so of all warcrimes where commited by the SS.
I have high respect for the regular german soldier. Every normal soldier in WW2 just wanted to go home. But the SS was filled with scum wich deserve to be called Nazi's
(Not all though. Take 5th SS division Wiking. Many foreign soldiers knew that they where in a SS devision, when they where already at the eastfront)
And here you see many people calling Wargaming like communists. And then people also happily budge in and give +1 for such a comment. Or dozens of people who called every russian soldier "Communist" or "Soviet". Not a SINGLE person then stands up for that. Oh wait, i did once. In a proper way just like you did. What happend? -35 karma on my post.
I have high respect for the regular german soldier. Every normal soldier in WW2 just wanted to go home. But the SS was filled with scum wich deserve to be called Nazi's
(Not all though. Take 5th SS division Wiking. Many foreign soldiers knew that they where in a SS devision, when they where already at the eastfront)
And here you see many people calling Wargaming like communists. And then people also happily budge in and give +1 for such a comment. Or dozens of people who called every russian soldier "Communist" or "Soviet". Not a SINGLE person then stands up for that. Oh wait, i did once. In a proper way just like you did. What happend? -35 karma on my post.
No I am no glorifying anything, just thought that it would be an interesting piece of history as I also thought the SS was as a whole full of people looking for an outlet to their inhumane actions and it was the last place I would look for good fighters. The organization was a criminal one and I am sure those units were far and between, just interesting to note and reminded me of what I read and thought I would share.
Tuccy
08 Jun 2011
theta0123, on 08 June 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:
SS troops where at that battle?Huge diffrence between regular wehrmacht and SS. 95% or so of all warcrimes where commited by the SS.
Anyway, that's a bit OT, and definitely that part of the article is a direct quote - in memoirs, you often see such generalizations. In German memoirs and publications you ofrten find emphasise how they fought the Godless Communists etc.
Anyway, back to the topic, like this series of articles - short, giving a bit o' historical background...
theta0123
08 Jun 2011
Scrap, please read my post, and you will see, that i mentioned that even in the SS there where normal soldiers. There where even a Few normal officers in the SS.(Like one SS captain who excuted 2 members of his devision, because they started to kill russian POW's for fun)
But the SS overall, where a bunch of butchering murderers. You cant deny this, not by bringing a few of those examples
The amount of wehrmacht warcrimes can be counted on one hand. The amount of warcrimes by the fallschirmjaegers was only one infact(Wich was actually partly a misunderstanding)
What the SS did in unforgivable. It goes beyond anything humanity has ever done (SS also did Concentration camps and extermation)
please dont bring "OOH BUT SOVIETS THIS" Because then we will have another politcal flamewar in wich one side does everything to minimalize what there nation did...
This is why i use the words "SS, nazis and Soviets", not "Germans and Russians" It was the politcal parties and sections wich commited most of the warcrimes.
So let us wrap this up. BACK TO GLORIOUS ZVEROBOY
But the SS overall, where a bunch of butchering murderers. You cant deny this, not by bringing a few of those examples
The amount of wehrmacht warcrimes can be counted on one hand. The amount of warcrimes by the fallschirmjaegers was only one infact(Wich was actually partly a misunderstanding)
What the SS did in unforgivable. It goes beyond anything humanity has ever done (SS also did Concentration camps and extermation)
please dont bring "OOH BUT SOVIETS THIS" Because then we will have another politcal flamewar in wich one side does everything to minimalize what there nation did...
This is why i use the words "SS, nazis and Soviets", not "Germans and Russians" It was the politcal parties and sections wich commited most of the warcrimes.
So let us wrap this up. BACK TO GLORIOUS ZVEROBOY
Scrap
08 Jun 2011
tuccy, on 08 June 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:
Sincerely doubt that number. Maybe by number of victims, thanks to industrialised death machine of Holocaust (on which, again, relatively small part of SS participated in the sense of running death camps), but if you take just number of crimes, you'll find that even with the Holocaust itself, Wehrmacht got its hands wet - and Police Battalions even more. See Browning's history of 101st Police Battalion - those were not SS. I'm afraid the "It was all SS, we're clean" goes pretty deep, but definitely in the East, nobody was clean.
Anyway, that's a bit OT, and definitely that part of the article is a direct quote - in memoirs, you often see such generalizations. In German memoirs and publications you ofrten find emphasise how they fought the Godless Communists etc.
Anyway, back to the topic, like this series of articles - short, giving a bit o' historical background...
Anyway, that's a bit OT, and definitely that part of the article is a direct quote - in memoirs, you often see such generalizations. In German memoirs and publications you ofrten find emphasise how they fought the Godless Communists etc.
Anyway, back to the topic, like this series of articles - short, giving a bit o' historical background...
Gilmir
08 Jun 2011
KrieGsgotT, on 07 June 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:
Shermans tried to prevent Nazis from capturing the central square and lock them into adjacent streets while ISU-152s were taking firing positions.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
Oke now i have seen this before but why do you write like every German soldier was a Nazi? Is that how the German Army was known to you? Please change it to the Germans or replace the Russians with Communists , then it would be fair on both sides.
That's the first thing. The second thing is, calling them "Germans" is not exactly more precise. The "Wehrmacht" weren't only "Germans". There were enough Austrians and other nationalities in it to make the usage of the word "Germans" as "wrong" as Nazis.
