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subdread #1 Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:16 PM

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As you all know , WT has been nerfed . So noobs got what they wanted . 

Played it, and now it's only advantage is gone . DPM is now worse than WTauf Pz4 . But is not tier 9. It's tier10. It must shot Maus, E100 , IS7 , T110Ex etc7. 

Penetration is 276mm , the lowest of all tier10 TD. So if you don't shot gold, it has big problems. 

I propose either WG to drop autoloader and just have good dpm and penetration, or to have a 3 shell drum with a ~30 sec reload time and better penetration .

Or change the tank because it's now the worse of all tier 10 TD.

To sustain my pov , i write avg dmg for the 3rd player by rating in WOT. 

Obj 268 - ~3600 , Foch 155 - ~3800 , WT E100 - ~3900

Where is the OP mania? In the hands of a top player it has +100 avg dmg vs Foch . 

Please be rational in replies, as i don't seek useless fights.

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View Postsubdread, on 01 August 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

MY FAVORITE TANK GOT NERFED NOW I AM CRYING


If you don't understand why the WTF E100 was blatantly overpowered, and is still currently a very, very strong tank, you have problems.

276mm penetration with AP shells is sufficient to pen everything frontally, period.
Aim time is still good, burst damage is still insanely high, enough to kill almost every tier X tank before they have time to reload.
All that with pin point accuracy.

"But Exocet! It's huge and fragile!!!"
Jesus, just use it at a distance. And if you can't, congrats, you have run into the same problem as every unarmored ambush TD in the game. Except in this case if you get caught by surprise, you have 5 x 560 alpha delivered in 8 seconds flat. You also have enough mobility to scoot out of there, AND you have a turret.

How are you butthurt because you lost a single shell?



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I think the "small" nerf on this ([edited]) Td is a good thing, in 9.2 he's always a very good TD : 0.29! Always the best for snipe at 500m, he have a very weak armor but damn gun.

If you're angry with this new nerf, you're don't know play this amazing TD (and almost all players in T10 play gold).

 

So, i don't think the WT is now useless, it is just the same level as the other TD's now...



subdread #4 Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:40 PM

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I dare you to penatrate a Maus with AP at 350m+ in the front. Or a IS7 , E100 etc. If you pen 4/5 i give my account and 1000$. You clearly have no idea how this tank is played and i see you do not own one . 

So you just talk out of "experience" .

And it's not a cry , it's a disscution . Unfortunetly not all humans have the basics of communication to understand.



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View PostExocet6951, on 01 August 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:


If you don't understand why the WTF E100 was blatantly overpowered, and is still currently a very, very strong tank, you have problems.

276mm penetration with AP shells is sufficient to pen everything frontally, period.
Aim time is still good, burst damage is still insanely high, enough to kill almost every tier X tank before they have time to reload.
All that with pin point accuracy.

"But Exocet! It's huge and fragile!!!"
Jesus, just use it at a distance. And if you can't, congrats, you have run into the same problem as every unarmored ambush TD in the game. Except in this case if you get caught by surprise, you have 5 x 560 alpha delivered in 8 seconds flat. You also have enough mobility to scoot out of there, AND you have a turret.

How are you butthurt because you lost a single shell?


And they also decreased the loading rate so I find no reason why he is butthurt about it? My friend still plays it and can deal over 7k damage with it easily. You just need to play it right. Remember its not a e3 tank or jgdpze100. Its paper. The turret is kinda high so everyone can kill it easily if they spotted you. As usual there is a saying...there are not any bad tanks, there is just bad drivers.



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View Postsubdread, on 01 August 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Played it, and now it's only advantage is gone

Yep, now it can't clip a Maus without getting lucky. But it can still do this:

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Note that the WT only had 5 shells before you say this is pre-nerf.

 

View Postsubdread, on 01 August 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Penetration is 276mm , the lowest of all tier10 TD. So if you don't shot gold, it has big problems. 

Ummm? TD's at tier 10 have way to high pen anyway... It doesn't have the 300 pen to go through a T95 front without getting lucky, but it's capable of penning anything it sees. Keep in mind that other tier 10s (not TDs) get 250-260 pen, and I don't see anyone complaining it's not enough anywhere.

 

View Postsubdread, on 01 August 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Where is the OP mania? In the hands of a top player it has +100 avg dmg vs Foch . 

News flash: Foch got nerfed already. Also, the ability to oneclip or seriously damage anything made it grossly OP.



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View PostVoncluss, on 01 August 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:


And they also decreased the loading rate so I find no reason why he is butthurt about it? My friend still plays it and can deal over 7k damage with it easily. You just need to play it right. Remember its not a e3 tank or jgdpze100. Its paper. The turret is kinda high so everyone can kill it easily if they spotted you. As usual there is a saying...there are not any bad tanks, there is just bad drivers.

Wow... they decreased loading time by 2 seconds . Amazing! From 60 to 58. It's a joke or what?



warhaven279 #8 Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:47 PM

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 your insane before the patch it is insanely OP 6 shots averaging of 560 per shot which give it the ability to clip any tank, it still can clip T9 and 8 easily but it wont clip all T10, yes this is based on ideal situations but given the fact with 6shells it could easily clip a maus just made it a powercreep.

 

plus it was bound to get nerfed everyone could see it. plus considering the fact it your most played T10 considering you got both the E100 and IS7. but as other people have said it still a good TD just got to play it right with all tanks. still accurate and has an insane aiming time. so you should be able to do well still in it.

don't own one but I'm not like most players and sit in a bush or the back of the map.



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View PostMindstormer1, on 01 August 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

Yep, now it can't clip a Maus without getting lucky. But it can still do this:

Spoiler

Note that the WT only had 5 shells before you say this is pre-nerf.

 

Ummm? TD's at tier 10 have way to high pen anyway... It doesn't have the 300 pen to go through a T95 front without getting lucky, but it's capable of penning anything it sees. Keep in mind that other tier 10s (not TDs) get 250-260 pen, and I don't see anyone complaining it's not enough anywhere.

 

News flash: Foch got nerfed already. Also, the ability to oneclip or seriously damage anything made it grossly OP.

Yeah Foch got nerfed. And still has good pen value. And better camo , and better armor. 



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Clearly no one os reading . 

I dit not suggest getting it's shell back! 

I proposed changing it's gun or autoloader! 

Read people OMG! 



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 Please be rational in replies

 

If you ask for rational arguments in replies, you probably should deliver some in your opening post.

If you have to shoot gold with the 128mm gun because "276mm penetration is low", I wonder how you play any medium or heavy tank. Gold spam only?

 

The Wunderwaffle still has 2800 damage in one clip (or 3000 for the derp gun), which no other tank even come close to.

 

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View Posthscorpio, on 01 August 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

 

If you ask for rational arguments in replies, you probably should deliver some in your opening post.

If you have to shoot gold with the 128mm gun because "276mm penetration is low", I wonder how you play any medium or heavy tank. Gold spam only?

 

The Wunderwaffle still has 2800 damage in one clip (or 3000 for the derp gun), which no other tank even come close to.

 

Spoiler

 

Are you blind ? Where did i mentioned i fire gold? I dont. 

How can you compare playing a medium or heavy with a TD? The post is so wrong i dont know when to stop.

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You say that 276 mm of penetration on TD is low, that line alone suggest you literally have no idea what you are talking about. I have no idea why one less shell is such a huge deal. "Oh noes I can't clip a Maus anymore". Well bohoo. Also DPM on an autoloader (apart from the T57 for some odd reason) is a pretty insignificant factor, especially when the autloader in question has a potential 2800 damage clip.

 

Just remove the WT E-100 and replace it with the Waffentrager Panther instead, which is smaller, more mobile, has a turret, 3 shots and was actually a historical project unlike the WT E-100.

 

 



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View Postollonborre, on 01 August 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

You say that 276 mm of penetration on TD is low, that line alone suggest you literally have no idea what you are talking about. I have no idea why one less shell is such a huge deal. "Oh noes I can't clip a Maus anymore". Well bohoo. Also DPM on an autoloader (apart from the T57 for some odd reason) is a pretty insignificant factor, especially when the autloader in question has a potential 2800 damage clip.

 

Just remove the WT E-100 and replace it with the Waffentrager Panther instead, which is smaller, more mobile, has a turret, 3 shots and was actually a historical project unlike the WT E-100.

 

 

It's like i am talking to a kid

I said "it has the lowest pen value of all tier10 TD " not " it has low penetration value" , you must be either a 6yo who can barely read, or ... MUST NOT INSULT, YOU CAN DO IT! 

I don't give a fluck about Maus! I suggested changing the tank / gun / whatever !!! I know hot play the tank , it's an ACE tank and i killed 9 in one game. So that's not the point. 


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ollonborre #15 Posted 01 August 2014 - 01:26 PM

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Oh okay, I guess I was just put off by the line "If you don't shoot gold you are going to have serious problems" suggesting that you for some reason don't think 276 pen is not enough.

 

Silly me...



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View Postollonborre, on 01 August 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Oh okay, I guess I was just put off by the line "If you don't shoot gold you are going to have serious problems" suggesting that you for some reason don't think 276 pen is not enough.

 

Silly me...

You are a good player as i see. So if you tell me that 276 mm pen is ok for 400m range tier10 heavies/armored TD... i quit playing. At 400m u can't hit weakspots. Only luck/rng can guide them there. 

Many times i shot at t110ex at a long range and not even 1 penetrated. 

At close range yes, it's easy. But 1v1. 


Edited by subdread, 01 August 2014 - 01:35 PM.


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I have stopped playing that piece of crap long ago. I wish I could sell it and get back my money and exp :)

 

It is OP to people who dont have it.



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View PostStuka76, on 01 August 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

I have stopped playing that piece of crap long ago. I wish I could sell it and get back my money and exp :)

 

It is OP to people who dont have it.

Fair point! Thinking about selling it also.



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 As you all know , WT has been nerfed . So noobs got what they wanted . 

 

Noobs? lol, players that now cannot play the WT, those are noobs...

I mean, a 6-shell autoloader with 0.29 accuracy is never OP, never in a lifetime...

 

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 Played it, and now it's only advantage is gone . DPM is now worse than WTauf Pz4 . But is not tier 9. It's tier10. It must shot Maus, E100 , IS7 , T110Ex etc7. 

 So you're playing autoloaders and still don't know anything about them?

It's not about DPM, it's about burst damage. The Damage per Minute is worse than every other TD. But any other TD can't do 2800 dmg in 8 seconds.

 

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 Penetration is 276mm , the lowest of all tier10 TD. So if you don't shot gold, it has big problems. 

 Penetration on the T110E5 is 258. But I can see enough game where these tanks do really good. 276 pen is nothing to complain about, you're just jealous at other tier 10 TD's with 290+ pen. But again, they don't have an autoloader that does 3000 dmg in 8 secs, not even the autoloaded Foch, that needs 10 seconds to do 2250.

 

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 I propose either WG to drop autoloader and just have good dpm and penetration, or to have a 3 shell drum with a ~30 sec reload time and better penetration .

 What's it going to be superior to the WT auf Pz. IV if they do option 1, because it's camo sucks?

Option 2 is a considerable option, but I don't think autoloaders with that kind of reload need to have some compensation, in the form of worse penetration, what they're doing now.

 

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 Or change the tank because it's now the worse of all tier 10 TD.

 Still think it's OP, but it depends on the player, ofcourse.

 

Really, I think the WT auf E 100 is just balanced, or maybe even still a tad OP. But I guess you'll find a way out with it, because you say the penetration is bad, but it's just worse than other tier 10 TDs.

 

And I don't think a 5 shell autoloader with 1,5 sec aiming time and 0.29 accuracy and a still bloody good 276 pen can be considered the worst tier 10 TD. 

 

 

 

 

 



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View Postsubdread, on 01 August 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

You are a good player as i see. So if you tell me that 276 mm pen is ok for 400m range tier10 heavies/armored TD... i quit playing. At 400m u can't hit weakspots. Only luck/rng can guide them there. 

Many times i shot at t110ex at a long range and not even 1 penetrated. 

At close range yes, it's easy. But 1v1. 

I can tell you my Tortoise with 258 pen can both hit an penetrate some weakspots and tanks at 400 m so your WT with even more pen and laser accuracy should have even less trouble.

 

And sometimes you just need to accept that perhaps you can't/should be able to instagib someone from full HP 400+ m away in 8 seconds. This is true for all tanks aswell.






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