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Masquerade717 #101 Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:17 PM

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View Post7049, on 04 August 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

 

is that why on average you see twice as many TDs and heavy tanks in each battle compared to TDs? I am not suprised when I see 7 or more TDs in each team. But when I see more then 3 medium tanks on each team I am surprised.

This is true tho. The last week or so i am generally one of 4 or 3 meds in the whole game, there are many TDs and heavies, and I even see moar arty



Search_Warrant #102 Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

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Wana hear somet funny? i shot a T-54 cupola 2 times a few matches ago today. i saw the hole in the cupola dead on hit. NO DAMAGE! looked after the match in results. i destroyed his observation device..thats all i did. so now there cupola is like 175 armor with magic spaced armor now? give me a break.

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Unfortunately there are much more serious cases of tanks that should be rebalanced, compared to the T-54. Heavies and mediums are very okay in the game as their damage output per-shot is overall balanced. But yes on its own class the T-54 and some other Russian mediums are unbalanced relatively to other nations from the same tiers.

 

The bigger problem for light tanks in the game are the maps. Maps are too small, it's quite easy even for excellent light-tanks players to find themselves spotted while playing intelligently and after getting spotted maps don't offer light-tanks enough routes to fall back. Considering tiers VIII, IX or X or even VII where there are enough guns to 1-shot or 2-shot many light tanks, it's easy to conclude that the game is quite ungrateful to them.

 

I imagine that for every excellent game many light-tanks experience there's 5 or 6 that are utter disaster.

 

But all in all WG is aware of that stuff. 2 or 3 Russian mediums are overpowered (in their class alone as in the whole dynamics of the game they are not a problem) because WG wants it. Same with 2 or 3 tier X TD's. Same with KV-1S. Or T-18. Difference is that those tier X TD's or tier X artillery or KV-1S and T-18 ruin the game's dynamics.

 

Tanks like the T-54 don't.

 

80% of tanks are fine and balanced, showing strong features and weak features. WG knows how to balance tanks.

10% are underpowered and other 10% are overpowered. It's their choices, they're obviously aware of it.


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Another thing is that all those players that sum up massive games in tanks like the T-54 or other mediums have to work really hard to achieve those results. So yes it's very okay because those tanks reward hard work and good play.

 

Not like 3 or 4 [edited] TD's on which any monkey can get out of a game with 3500 or 4000 damage just by unloading a couple of magazines at tanks that are spotted 400 meters away.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 August 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

Wana hear somet funny? i shot a T-54 cupola 2 times a few matches ago today. i saw the hole in the cupola dead on hit. NO DAMAGE! looked after the match in results. i destroyed his observation device..thats all i did. so now there cupola is like 175 armor with magic spaced armor now? give me a break.

 

:eyesup: The top part of the copula is always no damage model in about every tank in the game. This is because it is not connected to the tank, but just mirrors on top of it. :eyesup:



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T54 is the ultimate light tank killer. You should know that. T54 spotted close by and you are in a light? GTFO to the other flank.

Someome said its impossible to get more than 1.7k WN8 solopubbing earlier. My recent stats are 100% stronk solopubs in T34(credits), T54(grind) and T110E5(fun). The winrate is decent as well so im not a passive damage farmer that doesnt give two shits about WR.

My T54 has 61,38% WR in solopubs including the 80-90 battles untill i got the D10-T. Its a fun tank, pretty strong, but not OP.

 

P.S: Search_Warrant hugs and kisses im waiting for your daily whine thread. If i see you in my T54 i will go full HEAT Roflstomp on you.



AliceUnchained #107 Posted 05 August 2014 - 12:01 AM

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The only change T-54 would need is a change for premium ammo; to APCR for about 260-270 penetration.

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 05 August 2014 - 01:01 AM, said:

The only change T-54 would need is a change for premium ammo; to APCR for about 260-270 penetration.

No more Maus/E100 turret cheeks trolling .... please no. It was hit by the nerf bat pretty hard with the turret armor.



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I thought the whole point of driving the T-54 was to sealclub lower tier LT's :justwait:

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View Postcherry2blost, on 04 August 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

No one was crying, [edited]... we were discussing it... oh wow throw stats about... can only take things as I find them...been playing over 4 years now... so do kinda know how to play the game.... 5k of my games were on +/- 3 or 4 tiers..... try that for fun before you start quoting stats...

If you are not crying, then crack your head harder to find a way to outplay t54, and stop complaining how impossible it is.


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View PostDragos_CS, on 04 August 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

Someome said its impossible to get more than 1.7k WN8 solopubbing earlier.

Whoever said that has no idea how to play world of tanks.



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View Postcherry2blost, on 04 August 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

So tell me oh gracious one... how can you guarantee more than 1.7k avg over 1400 games purely in randoms.... non platooned?

 

 

You can and just because you cannot doesn't mean others cannot do it.

I think none of my T9 meds have that low dpg values and yes plz try that platoon / camp argument all you want its actually pretty dam hard to brake 60 % wr just by camping every game. Oh and in platoons you generally tend to do less dpg so its that out of the window.


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View PostAlteisen, on 05 August 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Whoever said that has no idea how to play world of tanks.

 

View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

You can and just because you cannot doesn't mean others cannot do it.

I think none of my T9 meds have that low dpg values and yes plz try that platoon / camp argument all you want its actually pretty dam hard to brake 60 % wr just by camping every game. Oh and in platoons you generally tend to do less dpg so its that out of the window.

 

Why are you cums always so damn defensive? Whenever someone says something like "this cannot be done" you react like someone stepped on your puppy. Just because a few percentile of the people are cums that does not mean anyone can get epic stats like you.

 

Most of the people will be happy to get 900 WN8. 



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

 

 

Why are you cums always so damn defensive? Whenever someone says something like "this cannot be done" you react like someone stepped on your puppy. Just because a few percentile of the people are cums that does not mean anyone can get epic stats like you.

 

Most of the people will be happy to get 900 WN8. 

 

Its not issue that some ppl cannot do it, its a problem when ppl start stating that it cannot be done. When obviously if you are good enough its totally possible.

 

Then bringing out the obvious excuses like camping, playing op tanks or platooning when you cannot do it yourself to safe your face or something.


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View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

 

Its not issue that some ppl cannot do it, its a problem when ppl start stating that it cannot be done. When obviously if you are good enough its totally possible.

 

For all intents and purpose, it cannot be done. That a few did manage to it is more of an exception to the rule. The few people that can are such a small minority that those numbers are insignificant in view of the larger picture.



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

For all intents and purpose, it cannot be done. That a few did manage to it is more of an exception to the rule. The few people that can are such a small minority that those numbers are insignificant in view of the larger picture.

What those players on top of the ladder shows you that it is possible to achieve certain things, and in this case, outplay a t54 in your Centurion 7/1.

It is all about willingness to improve against complaining about unfairness/op-ness, or anything similar.



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 09:45 AM, said:

 

For all intents and purpose, it cannot be done. That a few did manage to it is more of an exception to the rule. The few people that can are such a small minority that those numbers are insignificant in view of the larger picture.

 

Just for comparison my friend whos yellow - green broke 1800 avg in T9 medium, its totally something doable even for the majority of the playerbase.

If we were talking numbers like 2.6k - 3k that might be a totally different story since that's clearly something what most wont pull off.

 

1800 damage with most t9 meds is like 4-5 shots per game.


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View Postdivinity_123, on 05 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

What those players on top of the ladder shows you that it is possible to achieve certain things, and in this case, outplay a t54 in your Centurion 7/1.

It is all about willingness to improve against complaining about unfairness/op-ness, or anything similar.

 

The same can be said for real life. yes there are some people who became a billionaire from scratch, but that does not mean anyone can become one, not matter how hard they work.

 

View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

 

Just for comparison my friend whos yellow - green broke 1800 avg in T9 medium, its totally something doable even for the majority of the playerbase.

If we were talking numbers like 2.6k - 3k that might be a totally different story since that's clearly something what most wont pull off.

 

1800 damage with most t9 meds is like 4-5 shots per game.

 

1800 damage is at least 5 penetrating/damaging shots. Not all penetrating shots do damage and some that do damage only do a few hitpoints because the target is on low health. So lets be positive, to do 1800 dpg means at least 8 penetrating shots. Each and every battle. That does not seems much but you seem to forget that many many battles are less then ideal. Like being the only tier 9 in the whole battle facing 10+ tier 10TDs. Being in a team with camper/snipers also sucks.

 

This means that on many battles you need close to 2500 damage to make up for the bad battles. This is no easy task for the solo pubs.



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

The same can be said for real life. yes there are some people who became a billionaire from scratch, but that does not mean anyone can become one, not matter how hard they work.

Whether they can or cannot is one thing, but if they have the will or not is another.



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View Postdivinity_123, on 05 August 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

Whether they can or cannot is one thing, but if they have the will or not is another.

 

How about you get your head removed from your bottom. .... supercillious elitist....






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