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cherry2blost #141 Posted 05 August 2014 - 12:37 PM

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View PostDragos_CS, on 05 August 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Why no gold ammo? Its there to be used.

Also, 2250 dpg in my T54, 90% solopubs including the stock grind i was too poor to bypass.

Also ,1100 in the E mothafacking 50M??? 3 shots per game with a 0.3 acc/270 pen gun? Dude, go down the tiers and learn how to mediums. You are nothing but a disappointment for your team and a free XP Piñata for the enemies. Sorry to say that. Again, you have a 0.3 gun so you really should snipe, you are made for that.

 

So you try to prove your point by answering our argument... 2250 in T54. ... using cHEAT ammo... for insta pen.... lose count of the number of games where high stat guys have sat well back... griping that noob cent go spot... so they can deal their damage from safe distance... heck have replays if me being shot by 2800 ENd player in E75... prokorovka me being hull down half way up the road... mid map and him sitting in the corner 4 squares back... then shooting me in the back of my turret because I wasn't suicide scouting.... yeah Unicums are such a great asset in game most of the time.... that's the biggest joke.... yesterday FV403 one shotted a purple in... let's guess.... a Hellcat.... yes he was on the move but oh boy the abuse I got for that one.... So best idea for purples is to quit playing the OP stuff..... quit spamming premium ammo... and quit being self superior dickheads and quoting stats at anybody that is not in their stratospheric level of analness. ....

 

So I manage 1700 avg using standard ammo... coz let's be honest the gold HESH mechanics are beyond broken... playing sustainably without having to seal club lower tiers for credits to fund gold spam... against self confessed gold spammer gaining 550 more HP per game.... hmmm who's the dickheads eh?


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View PostDragos_CS, on 05 August 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Why no gold ammo? Its there to be used.

Also, 2250 dpg in my T54, 90% solopubs including the stock grind i was too poor to bypass.

Also ,1100 in the E mothafacking 50M??? 3 shots per game with a 0.3 acc/270 pen gun? Dude, go down the tiers and learn how to mediums. You are nothing but a disappointment for your team and a free XP Piñata for the enemies. Sorry to say that. Again, you have a 0.3 gun so you really should snipe, you are made for that.

 

It is a well known fact the the T54 is the best tier 9 medium in the game. When used with gold ammo it is by far the best tier 9 medium, maybe even better then some tier 10 medium tanks. But I have only 63 battles in it with 40% win. But most of those were 100% stock.

 

I use both E-50 and E-50M as front line assault tanks. No sniping/camping what so ever.

 

No gold, no free XP used, no platoons.

 

My E-50M stats 43% win

Maximum Experience per Battle 1,716
Hit Ratio 82.05%

 

Kill/Death Ratio 0.82
Damage Caused/Received 0.74
Average Number of Vehicles Destroyed per Battle 0.64
Average Damage Caused per Battle 1,321

 

E-50 46% win

Maximum Experience per Battle 2,098
Hit Ratio

82.77%

Kill/Death Ratio 1.06
Damage Caused/Received 0.87
Average Number of Vehicles Destroyed per Battle 0.76
Average Damage Caused per Battle 1,298

 

 

 



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

 

It is a well known fact the the T54 is the best tier 9 medium in the game. When used with gold ammo it is by far the best tier 9 medium, maybe even better then some tier 10 medium tanks. But I have only 63 battles in it with 40% win. But most of those were 100% stock.

 

I use both E-50 and E-50M as front line assault tanks. No sniping/camping what so ever.

 

No gold, no free XP used, no platoons.

 

My E-50M stats 43% win

Maximum Experience per Battle 1,716
Hit Ratio 82.05%

 

Kill/Death Ratio 0.82
Damage Caused/Received 0.74
Average Number of Vehicles Destroyed per Battle 0.64
Average Damage Caused per Battle 1,321

 

E-50 46% win

Maximum Experience per Battle 2,098
Hit Ratio

82.77%

Kill/Death Ratio 1.06
Damage Caused/Received 0.87
Average Number of Vehicles Destroyed per Battle 0.76
Average Damage Caused per Battle 1,298

 

 

 

 

Seems like a bit too much aggression. The E-50M in particular can even be a heavy tank if needed, but it needs some degree of passive play at times.



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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

 

1500-1600 is not the same as 1800. You seem to be lowering your own standard to fit your argument. Are those 1500-1600 numbers pure from random, solo, no gold ammo games? I am not saying they are or that they boost the stats hugely but for the discussion it would be nice if we were all talking about the same.

 

The avg damage in my E-50 is about 1100-1200. My E-50M has about the same.
 

Also define "wrong". 

 

holy crap so the only thing you manage to attack is the 100-200 damage difference when in fact the numbers you stated were off like 700-800 at least, do i need to bother make the math here who was more wrong about the "averages "?  and no i am not lowering my standards when it becomes increasingly obvious that even the average players can score around 1800 damage time to time so try again. Last time i checked you claimed that only blue/purples were able to score those numbers when in fact some of the yellow/green players must have 1800 averages.

 

Under 1500 damage in t9 mediums is clearly below average by good margin, while 1600-1800s are average / bit above average. Over 2k starts to be blue / uni area.

 

Oh ya and to join the T-54 discussion the type 61 managed to actually do more in avg damage than T-54 so that's out of the way.

 

@ cherry2 id like to see this replay you speak of. oh ya and unis don't need these "op tanks" to do well. Just other illusion from players of your level.

guess quickfingers is also gold spamming nab with hes 2.4k avg in centurion.


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View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

holy crap so the only thing you manage to attack is the 100-200 damage difference when in fact the numbers you stated were off like 700-800 at least, do i need to bother make the math here who was more wrong about the "averages "?  and no i am not lowering my standards when it becomes increasingly obvious that even the average players can score around 1800 damage time to time so try again. Last time i checked you claimed that only blue/purples were able to score those numbers when in fact some of the yellow/green players must have 1800 averages.

 

Under 1500 damage in t9 mediums is clearly below average by good margin, while 1600-1800s are average / bit above average. Over 2k starts to be blue / uni area.

 

Oh ya and to join the T-54 discussion the type 61 managed to actually do more in avg damage than T-54 so that's out of the way.

 

@ cherry2 id like to see this replay you speak of. oh ya and unis don't need these "op tanks" to do well. Just other illusion from players of your level.

guess quickfingers is also gold spamming nab with hes 2.4k avg in centurion.

 

It was dracos who stated that 2250dmg  avg was good... while also stating that gold is there to be used... hence reference to padding damage with premium ammo.... read the whole post numpty... or are you too far up your own backside to comprehend plain english... and there's no point in being a gold spamming nab in cent 7.... due to the broken nature of HESH



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View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

holy crap so the only thing you manage to attack is the 100-200 damage difference when in fact the numbers you stated were off like 700-800 at least, do i need to bother make the math here who was more wrong about the "averages "?  and no i am not lowering my standards when it becomes increasingly obvious that even the average players can score around 1800 damage time to time so try again. Last time i checked you claimed that only blue/purples were able to score those numbers when in fact some of the yellow/green players must have 1800 averages.

 

Under 1500 damage in t9 mediums is clearly below average by good margin, while 1600-1800s are average / bit above average. Over 2k starts to be blue / uni area.

 

Oh ya and to join the T-54 discussion the type 61 managed to actually do more in avg damage than T-54 so that's out of the way.

 

@ cherry2 id like to see this replay you speak of. oh ya and unis don't need these "op tanks" to do well. Just other illusion from players of your level.

guess quickfingers is also gold spamming nab with hes 2.4k avg in centurion.

 

 

At the moment my WN8 is going down fast. 

 

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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

 

Well tier 10 TDs are in effect two tier above a tier 9 medium. Any medium that snipes or camps is a useless medium. I cannot remember the last battle in any tier 9 tank that there were not at least 5 or more tier 10 tanks. How do you expect a tier 9 medium to constantly do 1800 damage vs tier 10 tanks? A medium will be killed in 1-3 hits by tier 10 tanks. Even some tier 8 tanks will kill a tier 9 medium in 2 hits (ISU).

My avg damage is 2100 per game in 149 games with T-54. This mostly includes stock tank because I didn't use any free XP for it. Also I'm not a sniper type of player on russian meds. I'm always in action or flanking. Should easily get it 2500+ now when I'm running with pimped T-54.

Also your 50M's DPG should be 3000+, not 1200.


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View PostEscapeArtist, on 05 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

My avg damage is 2079 per game in 149 games with T-54. This mostly includes stock tank too because I didn't use any free XP for it. Should easily get it 2500+ now when I'm running with pimped T-54.

Also your 50M's DPG should be 3000+, not 1200.

 

LOL no, 3000+ is super cum territory. A good battle lasts for maybe 5 minutes, an average battle about 2 minutes in an E-50M. You try and do 3000+ damage in 2 minutes. You will say, try to survive longer, but that means camping and sniping. Since I am a decent human being and not some retard I will not camp and snipe.



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T-54's ammunition and repair cost should be "nerfed", yes.

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How do I have 3100+ average damage with OBJ140 then. I'm not sitting back and sniping. Always infront spotting & brawling or flanking.

Also average game length was about 5 minutes in WoT, if I remember correctly.


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what they have to nerf on this thing is the HEAT and buff that pen on the 100mm guns.

even the tier 8 amx 50 100 has more pen than the top gun of t-54



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View PostEscapeArtist, on 05 August 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

How do I have 3100+ average damage with OBJ140 then?

 

I don't know, why do you ask me. While you have most likely the answer yourself.



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View Postsamuelx43a, on 05 August 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

what they have to nerf on this thing is the HEAT and buff that pen on the 100mm guns.

even the tier 8 amx 50 100 has more pen than the top gun of t-54

 

The low pen is there to balance out the sick DPM and agility of the T-54, the agility granted by the power of the 700 hp engine that it would have had IRL were it not for fuel consumption and other issues. That's why the tank is noticeably OP with HEAT.



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View Postcherry2blost, on 05 August 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

It was dracos who stated that 2250dmg  avg was good... while also stating that gold is there to be used... hence reference to padding damage with premium ammo.... read the whole post numpty... or are you too far up your own backside to comprehend plain english... and there's no point in being a gold spamming nab in cent 7.... due to the broken nature of HESH

 

Yes i did read the whole thing and i am still asking the replay of this so called camping E75 so i don't know what you are replying into. Maybe you should go to that english class yourself ?

 

Also my qb reference was to show that he can pull more than 1.7k avg in that vehicle.


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View PostOhaithar, on 05 August 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

The low pen is there to balance out the sick DPM and agility of the T-54, the agility granted by the power of the 700 hp engine that it would have had IRL were it not for fuel consumption and other issues. That's why the tank is noticeably OP with HEAT.

how much does the tank weigh by curiosity?



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View Postsamuelx43a, on 05 August 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

how much does the tank weigh by curiosity?

 

A whole 35 tons fully upgraded. This makes the hp/ton close to 20, all with a very high traverse speed of 48 degrees a second.



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View PostOhaithar, on 05 August 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

A whole 35 tons fully upgraded. This makes the hp/ton close to 20, all with a very high traverse speed of 48 degrees a second.

 

And hull/turret traverse speed should be buffed for French and German medium tanks.



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Leopard pt/1  wants to have a word with you.

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View Post7049, on 05 August 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

And hull/turret traverse speed should be buffed for French and German medium tanks.

Tbh you need a buff.



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View Posthgjwz, on 05 August 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Leopard pt/1  wants to have a word with you.

 

Lorry 40t, BC25, panther I and II, E-50 and E-50M might like to have a word with you. So much fun driving uphill in a Panther II and see a heavy tank going faster uphill then your medium.

 

View PostAlteisen, on 05 August 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Tbh you need a buff.

 

Thank you I guess.






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