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azakow #61 Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:18 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 August 2014 - 01:44 AM, said:

Its the fact that medium has everything i have and MORE! thats what im getting at. he doesent suffer in any aspect. armor? speed? mobility? gun? he suffers from nothing!. while my scout gets nerfed hp/armor/decent but no T8 alpha gun that other T8 mediums get too. i get camo on the move. so what? coridoor maps and everyone has 400 viewrange (some more than scouts) i give up allot for my crappy minor posatives. T-54? gives up nothing.

As said many times, MT can do all LT can do, they are just better at it. That is nothing new and you know this!

The problem can not be fixed by WG at all, but by yourself.

 

What to do when LT8ing and being  forced to fight T-54 at close ranges?

Simply run!

 

Why run? I've 189 penetration!

You gun will not get into an angle to shoot at any location you could pen, when in close combat.

Any Yellow T-54 commander will love to eat you alive.

 

You don't like it?

Do not fight T-54 at close ranges or do not command WZ-132!

 

I avoid close combat with T-54 when LT8ing.


Edited by azakow, 04 August 2014 - 09:20 AM.


_intoxicated_ #62 Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:39 AM

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I have 207 games @ 58.94% in the wz-132 and 130 games @ 58.46% in the T-54.

 

WZ-132 must therefore be OP and be nerfed, T-54 needs a buff.

 

Case closed, everybody go home.

 

G'night folks.



Razor1uk #63 Posted 04 August 2014 - 10:15 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 03 August 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

........ (he was going backwards and i was going downwards a hill) he was keeping up with my speeds. i couldent get around him..it was break neck speed for both of us.. (&) he was going BACKWARDS

 

What the hell made you think giving a medium tank 189 effective frontal armor was balanced WG? it seems you still have not balanced that all around jack-of-every-tank-in-game. all its missing is arty satal(l)ite view with orbital cannon. it can scout/take far too many bounce shots/flank/lead a freaking charge with that troll armor.

 

1 He's moving as are you, so your accuracy is less. 

2 The grounds bumps throwing your true aim off more as much as 'joggle' him around too.

3 And since he is going backwards when you shoot, that would in a physics & logic manner,his backwards motion would pull the impacting shot into a greater and more bouncy angle before even it thinks of it digging into his armour.

4 Also I am led to believe that the faster you move ingame, the more of an accuracy penalty you will suffer before even the auto selected 'random roll' (auto select and random cannot co-exist together) is made for penetration.

So even if you had the most powerful weapon in the game, you already have 4 things against you before you fired.

 

It is unfortunate that it seems you lost that match, that otherwise would have been a good one for you if he hadn't made you mad in surviving - hopefully sometime in the future, you'll get to be on the otherside of that situation and be thankful.

 

Good luck, aim well, let them come to your bbq and grill em slowly & well done until they split like bratwursts (...mmm hoisin sauce)


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younis_ramos #64 Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:09 AM

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t-54 is not overpowered bcuz if u face any tier 9 medium alone he will smash u
1) lorraine will empty his clip on u
2) patton 46 is slow and he will be with others and u got no chance
3) centurion 7/1 and wz120 have level 10 guns with high alpha and u go chance will
4) e50 and t-54 u cant pen them
5) u can pen the leo PTA and type 61 :D but do not face them


 



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View PostGeneral_Jack_D_Ripper, on 03 August 2014 - 09:53 PM, said:

Try shooting e-50s upper frontal plate with your tier 8 scout. Then come back whining again.

 

LOL just shoot the turret, anywhere on the side (no spaced armour) or lower front plate.



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View PostDarkblood96, on 03 August 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:


E50 has 150 upper and 80 lower. 

T54 has 120 upper and 120 lower, both at really really great angle and very bouncy. 

I'ld say T54 has better overall frontal armor combined with 240mm turret

 

T-54 is better then the E-50 in every aspect.



Firstcasuality #67 Posted 04 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

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Wasn't there option to detrack t-54 and then get to his side?

And i think from there shouldn't be hard to keep up with him.

But as other people said you shouldn't go 1v1 with tier 9 med.



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View Postdennez, on 04 August 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

 Turret got nerfed to crap and the hull armor won't save you in the 90% tier X matches it gets.

 

 

Still the turret armour is better then E-50 and E-50M. Also all medium tanks have crap armour when tier 10 TDs are shooting at them. However a T-54 can bounce some tier 8 and 9 shots. Most other mediums cannot bounce anything.



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View Post7049, on 04 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

Still the turret armour is better then E-50 and E-50M. Also all medium tanks have crap armour when tier 10 TDs are shooting at them. However a T-54 can bounce some tier 8 and 9 shots. Most other mediums cannot bounce anything.


E-50 bounces all the time.



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View Post7049, on 04 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

Still the turret armour is better then E-50 and E-50M. Also all medium tanks have crap armour when tier 10 TDs are shooting at them. However a T-54 can bounce some tier 8 and 9 shots. Most other mediums cannot bounce anything.

 

Call the cops 1 out of the 10 or so mediums has some armor ! and we seriously talking about T10 td guns here vs T9 meds ? wtf.


Edited by hgjwz, 04 August 2014 - 12:45 PM.


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View Postvapautustaistelija, on 04 August 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:


E-50 bounces all the time.

 

Do not argue with 7049, isn't it obvious, that it is just a troll account?



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View Postvapautustaistelija, on 04 August 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:


E-50 bounces all the time.

 

Then you need to aim better, aim for the front turret, LFP, or anywhere in this side and rear. The Side and rear have no spaced armour and no angles, flat as a pancake.

 

The armour efficiency of my E-50M is about 0.04 



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View Post7049, on 04 August 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

The armour efficiency of my E-50M is about 0.04 

Then you need to move better. Keep moving so they can't hit your turrent weak spots, hide LFP, don't show sides. Angle smartly.

 

They can't aim your weak spots, since you only have to stop for a nano second and the awesome gun is already aimed and accurate.



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View Postdivinity_123, on 04 August 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

Gold shell is HE, that means perma pen (deals damage).

If you know t54 so well, why you cannot outplay it. I just don't know why.

It is just funny to blame everything to russian bias. Maybe you can look at my stats and explain to me why I can do equally well in my other nations?

 

ROFL...gold shell is HE... permanently damage of maybe 70HP... sometimes even 100.... yeah gonna win in that fight....



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Wow, this thread went haywire.

 

Now, I have found a suitable alternative to the HEAT ammo. Basically, there's a certain APDS round that was made for the D-10T that has about 264mm penetration at 1 km. Seeing how WG already had the guts to water down the L7 from its historical 340mm at 1 km, we could turn that 264mm penetration at 1 km to 264mm penetration at 100m. Yes, watered down so much, but it should prove a viable alternative to the HEAT ammo.

 

Also, we make the T-54 use the T-55 armor layout this time as it was this armor layout that was used for the T-54 with the turbine engine (in case you've missed my post, the T-54's top engine is a turbine engine and the stock engine is a watered down turbine). As long as the T-54 has that engine, in order to fit alternate history (as in, what if the turbine was accepted), it needs to use the same armor scheme as the mentioned prototype. While this is not going to change the actual hull armor by much, worse angles will be a lot more punishing due to thinner armor thickness.

 

What do you think?

 

Btw Warrant, I don't think it's that valid to complain about the WZ-132 not penetrating a T-54. Especially since it's still more mobile than a T-54. The LFP is actually stronger than the UFP as well, plus the entire top can be overmatched in a taller tank with at least a 90mm gun. Not saying much though, but the much lower ground pressure from a WZ-132 must be something.


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Superbigel #76 Posted 04 August 2014 - 02:25 PM

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People still play those trash chinese tanks?

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just shoot gold, thats what i do when im in a tank with less than 230mm pen vs t-54.

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View Posthgjwz, on 04 August 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

T-54 is strong maybe even too strong but its defo not strong because it has some extra hull armor compared to most mediums :teethhappy:

Oh ya and from game design point i always thought meds were supposed to be the ultimate counter for light tanks ?

 

That would've made sense, but atm mediums are counter to lights, mediums, heavies, TD's and arty.



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View PostSturmtiger_304, on 04 August 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

That would've made sense, but atm mediums are counter to lights, mediums, heavies, TD's and arty.

 

is that why on average you see twice as many TDs and heavy tanks in each battle compared to TDs? I am not suprised when I see 7 or more TDs in each team. But when I see more then 3 medium tanks on each team I am surprised.



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View Postcherry2blost, on 04 August 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

ROFL...gold shell is HE... permanently damage of maybe 70HP... sometimes even 100.... yeah gonna win in that fight....

Try it out yourself first before laughing.






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