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divinity_123 #81 Posted 04 August 2014 - 04:18 PM

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View PostSturmtiger_304, on 04 August 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

That would've made sense, but atm mediums are counter to lights, mediums, heavies, TD's and arty.

Check out an average MT player. Those stats are going to surprise you.

You have over-estimated the power of medium tanks in an average Joe's hands.



Search_Warrant #82 Posted 04 August 2014 - 04:58 PM

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You know what happened last time i tried run from a T-54? he hunted me down and killed me cuz his speed/agility was on par with mine! i couldent get away from him! i tried dodging in and out of buildings.. straight line running. nope. he just run me down with this BS scout speed.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 August 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

You know what happened last time i tried run from a T-54? he hunted me down and killed me cuz his speed/agility was on par with mine! i couldent get away from him! i tried dodging in and out of buildings.. straight line running. nope. he just run me down with this BS scout speed.

If you are in city area then why don't you just trade one shot for one shot with him?



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Because its a T-54... magic armor. i 100% wont bounce him and will just pivot turn angle his armor and bounce me.

divinity_123 #85 Posted 04 August 2014 - 05:11 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 August 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

Because its a T-54... magic armor. i 100% wont bounce him and will just pivot turn angle his armor and bounce me.

If you cannot penetrate him then it is your problem.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 August 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

but even i know 189pen should never bounce of a T9 mediums frontal plate with no clear weakspot.

 

120 mm at 60 degree equals 240 mm effective armor. Still just over 209 mm of effective armor after normalization (against AP rounds). Which means less than 50% chance to penetrate with that gun you're using (which has maximum penetration of 236,25 mm at 100 meters). That is what you should know.

 

But obviously one should always penetrate a higher tier with a light tank. Frontally. Now if you really must insist on that, use APCR. There you have it, you will penetrate that T-54 frontally most of the time now. Happy?



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Your whole argument has been 'QQ my AP cannot go through the front of a tank, pls nerf'. Everyone has been telling you to either not get into the situation or just shoot some premium,[edited] to understand the concept of awareness and tactics. Please cease playing this game as soon as possible.

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Xerkics #88 Posted 04 August 2014 - 05:54 PM

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I don't actually have issues with its armour it's the spamming heat to pen heavies frontally plus armour plus speed and agility that makes it imbalanced if it had massively nerfed prem ammo or no prem it would still be played IMO.

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View Postdivinity_123, on 04 August 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Try it out yourself first before laughing.

1400 games in cent 7.... don't you think I tried it at least a couple of times.... 5000 silver for 50HP is not a great exchange rate



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View Postcherry2blost, on 04 August 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

1400 games in cent 7.... don't you think I tried it at least a couple of times.... 5000 silver for 50HP is not a great exchange rate

I do not think you are doing it the best way you can or you would not have only 1.7k average damage per game given your wn8.

You may check out armor scheme with Tank Inspector to find where exactly you should shoot your HESH to.



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View PostAliceUnchained, on 04 August 2014 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

120 mm at 60 degree equals 240 mm effective armor.

 

Except it's not 60 degree, but more like 53-54. TI shows that against a HEAT shell the T-54 has 200mm effective armor. HEAT has no normalization, therefore it's definitely not at 60 degrees.



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View PostOhaithar, on 04 August 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

 

Except it's not 60 degree, but more like 53-54. TI shows that against a HEAT shell the T-54 has 200mm effective armor. HEAT has no normalization, therefore it's definitely not at 60 degrees.

 

I'm sure that's the Type 59. The T-54 has a 120 mm glacis sloped at 60 degrees. Straight line impact HEAT round would have to defeat 240 mm effective. Still, HEAT has lower velocity and this would decrease the actual impact angle.

 

And if I remember correctly HEAT used to have normalization.



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View PostAliceUnchained, on 04 August 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

 

I'm sure that's the Type 59. The T-54 has a 120 mm glacis sloped at 60 degrees. Straight line impact HEAT round would have to defeat 240 mm effective. Still, HEAT has lower velocity and this would decrease the actual impact angle.

 

And if I remember correctly HEAT used to have normalization.

 

I assure you, the T-54 doesn't have such armor values except on the LFP.



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View Postdivinity_123, on 04 August 2014 - 05:00 PM, said:

I do not think you are doing it the best way you can or you would not have only 1.7k average damage per game given your wn8.

You may check out armor scheme with Tank Inspector to find where exactly you should shoot your HESH to.

 

So tell me oh gracious one... how can you guarantee more than 1.7k avg over 1400 games purely in randoms.... non platooned?

 

Oh I forgot you guys camp and, 'snipe'.... I forgot that one....

 

Course.... could always get an OP54?


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T-54, stronkest tier 9 heavy tonk in game.

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View PostDan_Abnormal, on 04 August 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

T-54, stronkest tier 9 heavy tonk in game.

 

Stonk T-54 beat inferior M1A2



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View Postcherry2blost, on 04 August 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

So tell me oh gracious one... how can you guarantee more than 1.7k avg over 1400 games purely in randoms.... non platooned?

 

Oh I forgot you guys camp and, 'snipe'.... I forgot that one....

 

Course.... could always get an OP54?

Check out all of my tier 9 mt. I solo all the times in them.

If those three are not enough, then check out my m46 on SEA account, shown on my right signature.

 

I do not camp and "snipe" in my medium tanks. I believe I move around the battlefield more than you do.

For instance, you could check out my mileage of m46 here: http://www.vbaddict....2/m46-patton-35

I move 1.9 kilometer per game.

 

If you want to do nothing other than crying about how OP some tank is, but cannot find a way to outplay it yourself, then you must be doing something wrong yourself.



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View Postdivinity_123, on 04 August 2014 - 07:39 PM, said:

Check out all of my tier 9 mt. I solo all the times in them.

If those three are not enough, then check out my m46 on SEA account, shown on my right signature.

 

I do not camp and "snipe" in my medium tanks. I believe I move around the battlefield more than you do.

For instance, you could check out my mileage of m46 here: http://www.vbaddict....2/m46-patton-35

I move 1.9 kilometer per game.

 

If you want to do nothing other than crying about how OP some tank is, but cannot find a way to outplay it yourself, then you must be doing something wrong yourself.

 

No one was crying,[edited]... we were discussing it... oh wow throw stats about... can only take things as I find them...been playing over 4 years now... so do kinda know how to play the game.... 5k of my games were on +/- 3 or 4 tiers..... try that for fun before you start quoting stats...


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View PostOhaithar, on 04 August 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

 

I assure you, the T-54 doesn't have such armor values except on the LFP.

 

It has 120 mm and it's sloped back 60 degrees from the vertical. Effective armor vs specific ammo types is a different story.



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It's quite likely then when alternative hulls are implemented, T-54 will have one hull with 120mm frontal armor, and other one with 100. And with the 120mm one it would be quite slow. Of course, it might take a while before we get the hulls.




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