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Tinbawx #1 Posted 07 August 2014 - 06:02 AM

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The Title is ofc shamelessly overdramatized :P

 

Well, good bye good music on streams, seems like copyright finally caught up to twitch.

 

I wanted to watch bit of wot stream, and since at this time obviously nobody was streaming, I checked out the recorded stuff. On QB´s, Circon´s and Orzanels Cannel 80-90% of any stream session is muted due to the music that is playing in the background.

 

No Idea what the music industry gets out of it. If anything it was free advertisement for them.


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vapautustaistelija #2 Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:17 AM

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http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/

 

This is amusing. It seems it also mutes the video for most games if you have your in game music playing too (meaning, you didn't mute the game music from the options). I'm glad I'm not Twitch user, because I would be very sad otherwise. Maybe streamers should find alternative service to use?



M1tchy #3 Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:11 AM

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The music industry get to control their 'stars' that they create to increase their income. Part of it is licensing that music,unfortunately. Even a shop playing music has to have a licence to do that. I know a guy who just repairs motorcycles. The local trading standards office enforced a rule on him that he couldn't have a radio playing as it was a "public performance" even though he works behind closed doors.

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Yag0 #4 Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:49 AM

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Yep the money grubbers trying to gain control of the net (movie and game copyrights too).

 

This and the public licensing is just overcompensation from an industry that completely missed a massive evolution(net distribution) and got left for dead in the dust.

 

On the plus side, this might actually seal the death of industry dinosaurs as this will now offer "airplay" to unsigned artists.

Is it time to dust off the piano again? :P



Murphy1up #5 Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:42 AM

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It's a tad bit frustrating. It basically means you're still ok to do livestreams with music in the background, but if you make highlights or VOD's with the livestream material, it's likely to be muted due to the music.

If you still want to host World of Tanks highlights and past broadcasts on Twitch without interruption, then you'll need to make sure any background music from sources like Youtube, Spotify, Groveshark, Itunes etc etc is muted and not playing. Only the in game sounds and music would be ok directly from the World of Tanks client.

 

Twitch is also changing how it's VOD's are stored since the majority of them never get any plays past a certain date. Regular streamers who are not a partner or Turbo will only see their VOD's last 14 days.  For Partners and Turbo users it's 60 days.   Highlights will still be around forever but they're limited to 2 hours in length.  In a way it's like Twitch is trying to move away from VOD storage on their channels. It's a bit sad that many funny and entertaining highlights will be muted as a result of this but meh, I can see both sides of discussion. Something like this was always going to happen. I guess It will possibly result in more streamers setting up their own websites to host their past broadcasts etc.



Tin_can_Dan #6 Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:44 AM

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It's probably Google who imposed this (they just bought Twitch), and QB predicted this would happen.

Yag0 #7 Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:52 AM

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View PostTin_can_Dan, on 07 August 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

It's probably Google who imposed this (they just bought Twitch), and QB predicted this would happen.


More likely these soulless people :

http://www.ascap.com/



soolerman #8 Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:19 PM

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Ether we have copyright or we don't. Sorry you can't have one rule for the internet and one rule for others. That said I think copyright is a little overpowering. So while I have sympathy for company's with people infringing there copyright. They are being way to heavy handed over this issue. As someone else has said music on a twitch feed isn't that just free advertising for them?

 

Its funny music company's spend millions of pounds on advertising and at the same time are spending many thousands of pounds stopping people from hearing the music they are trying to get them to hear to. I have actually seen a YouTube clip taken down due to copyright infringement. But that same clip had be carrying an advert for the very film the YouTube clip was about. So WB had a clip of a film they where spending vast amounts of money to promote band? Sound sensible to me.

 

People like the producers of the Big Bang Theory seem to have the right idea. They let people use clips of the show without interference. But will issue a take down order if you post a full show. The result is a nice balance. Fans get to do there thing and the company gets some (in fact a lot) of free advertising for the show.



Shacou #9 Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:55 PM

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X101 #10 Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:28 PM

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It's Google the new owner. Soon you will have to watch video add every 5 minutes.

zardoz77 #11 Posted 07 August 2014 - 02:02 PM

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View PostEctar, on 07 August 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

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 Only the in game sounds and music would be ok directly from the World of Tanks client.

 

Are you sure about this? Because in the past 3th partys did claim more then once copyright on gaming (ingame) sounds from the issue with totalbiscuit on youtube a few month ago to the radio sound from gta over many others. Claiming that the companys don't have rights for broadcast or any other "nonsense"........

 

Here is picture from some of the WoT streamers I watch and it's atm just ridiculous:

 

 

From top to buttom. Viilageidiot; Circonflexed, Quickybaby, Oldskool.

 

If you miss a livestream have fun with the ContentID system.............................

 

 

 


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Iddra #12 Posted 07 August 2014 - 02:07 PM

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Exactly, if you missed a livestream, dont even bother. 

Murphy1up #13 Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:31 PM

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View Postzardoz77, on 07 August 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Are you sure about this? 

 

Well I'm not aware of us pursing anyone for using our in-game music in their videos related to World of Tanks, especially since that would shut me down too :teethhappy:



zardoz77 #14 Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:55 PM

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View PostEctar, on 07 August 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Well I'm not aware of us pursing anyone for using our in-game music in their videos related to World of Tanks, especially since that would shut me down too :teethhappy:

 

Well all your VODs are 100% sound muted. ;)

 

 

 

Totalbiscuit has a Video up with a few Infos:

 



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View PostEctar, on 07 August 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

Well I'm not aware of us pursing anyone for using our in-game music in their videos related to World of Tanks, especially since that would shut me down too :teethhappy:


Wg are the complete reverse to most of the music companies. They want you to use game play on your channels. They see it as a good thing and as a very affective way to promote the game. They will even help you out if you run into issues with YouTube and copyright. Sadly the music companies are not as up to speed as most of the gamming world and are still trying to hold on to tight.



Yag0 #16 Posted 07 August 2014 - 04:25 PM

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View Postsoolerman, on 07 August 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:


Wg are the complete reverse to most of the music companies. They want you to use game play on your channels. They see it as a good thing and as a very affective way to promote the game. They will even help you out if you run into issues with YouTube and copyright. Sadly the music companies are not as up to speed as most of the gamming world and are still trying to hold on to tight.


Or simply that whilst WG has permission to reproduce/record and broadcast the music, they may not be the copyright owners.

This could mean somebody like ASCAP can chase down the recordings (twitch) and shut down the channel for unauthorised broadcast/recording.

 

ASCAP and their ilk will chase down copyrighted infringement without consent/prompting from the copyright owner, they are a law unto themselves and are serving the media industries rather than protecting artists and composers.



Murphy1up #17 Posted 07 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

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View Postzardoz77, on 07 August 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

Well all your VODs are 100% sound muted. ;)

 

 

 

 

Indeed, I checked this morning. That's because I always usually stream with music from various artists playing in the background.



Cheekibreekiivdamke #18 Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:02 PM

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Google buys twitch and now this.

 

Boo-hoo.



Yag0 #19 Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:17 PM

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View PostPrimarch_Victus, on 07 August 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Google buys twitch and now this.

 

Boo-hoo.

 

My objection is with the abuse of the copyright system, Twitch is inconsequential.



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