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TwoPointsOfInterest #1 Posted 24 August 2014 - 09:42 AM

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The pz 38 n.a is arguably one of the worst grinds in the game, but before a few patches ago it was the only way to get to the PZ 4 H. However after the implementation of 4 D and 4A there is now an alternative and much easier grind path, thus what is the point of the 38na line now, as the tanks (38t, 35t and 38na) are average at best , when you can , play the much easier grind of the pz 4s

Orkbert #2 Posted 24 August 2014 - 01:11 PM

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Admittedly it was a bit annoying until my crew got sufficiently skilled at camouflage but then it performed nicely. Plus since the newest patch it seems to get TierIV battles more often than it used to - could be biased view, of course, as I enjoy running my little 38nA in battle Tier VII (and formerly VIII) - and when it's high tier it is quite a beast.

100er #3 Posted 11 September 2014 - 10:39 PM

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The pz 38na is a huge grind - witch is made harder by its rubbish match making - however I still think it is the fastest most direct way to the pz IVH and then on to the tiger p. So unless you are really inpatient I would still go through the pz 38 na to get the pz IV H.

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Dan_Abnormal #4 Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:17 PM

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I like it, it's very capable in the right hands.

Lemacque #5 Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:20 PM

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Obsolete? nah, just work through it, what lies beyond is worth it. Plus, the little 38na is pretty decent in the right hands.

100er #6 Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:12 PM

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View PostLemacque, on 12 September 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Obsolete? nah, just work through it, what lies beyond is worth it. Plus, the little 38na is pretty decent in the right hands.

 

Ok so if it really can be a great tank would you mind sharing how to use it correctly?? I'm sure lots of people will want to know



Dan_Abnormal #7 Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:02 PM

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View Post100er, on 12 September 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

 

Ok so if it really can be a great tank would you mind sharing how to use it correctly?? I'm sure lots of people will want to know

 

It does the basic stuff just like any other light tank, it's fast enough in a straight line to gain some early spots/spotting damage, then with whatever knowledge you've gained from your spotting you can decide what to do next.

 

There is no user manual for light tanking, it's just something you do instinctively or decisions you make quickly based on what you know about the current state of the battle.

 

Light tanks aren't like heavies where you just drive to the same locations and shoot other heavies in the face at 100-200m, they require a very fluid/dynamic style of play that is constantly changing based on what the current situation is.

 

Nobody can tell you how to play the Pz38na, but if you're fairly good with other scout MM light tanks then you'll already know 90% how to play it, the other 10% is just learning the quirks of the tank.



Iosys #8 Posted 16 September 2014 - 08:48 PM

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Pz38nA was one of the few german tanks that I actually liked back when I was a noob. Nice camo, nice mobility. Made a nice flanker.

Sold it as soon as I got to the PzIV with the schmalturm turret though.

 

Since they've removed that schmalturm turret I've sold and rebought the PzIV three times, because I just can't stand it anymore. I just think 'yeah, let's grind the germans today.'

Then I play the PzIV and remember how horrible it is.

 

That said, I've picked it up recently and just started derping people with the 10,5 and HE. Sadly, It's actually a viable tactic. Shooting in between the spaced armour on the turret of other PzIVs is hilarious.

I really hope the VK3601H is more my style.



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Wanted to get to PzIV and could never imagine the n.a would be such a pain in the ***... at first :smile: After grinding like half of the XP I actually started to enjoy it. With 100% crew, camo and some binoculars I start out with sniping (or just annoy the opposition so they lose patience and my TD's take care of the sniping with their heavy damage) - than I single out some crippled single tanks (driving in to a group of heavy or mediums is kamikaze) - if we're up, I chase the opponents out of the bushes :izmena: Anyway, when matched in it own tier or even one above I started to kick some ***.

Ryuuteimaru #10 Posted 15 November 2014 - 07:12 PM

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View PostDan_Abnormal, on 12 September 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

I like it, it's very capable in the right hands.

 

What tank isn't if your willing to pump 1-1.5 silver in pimping it out, most won't or can't.

yaourti #11 Posted 18 November 2014 - 01:15 PM

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View PostRyuuteimaru, on 15 November 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

 

What tank isn't if your willing to pump 1-1.5 silver in pimping it out, most won't or can't.

 

A tier 4 scout is equivalent to a tier 5 tank of another branch, so why on earth would you not 'pimp it out'?

 

I had mine equipped with vents, optics and binos to make the most of the rather good 370m view range and camo (6th on commander for some battles.

 

It's a decent scout, small, quick, view range, okayish gun (it's the top gun on DW2!) 130mm pen with APCR.

 

If you have no interest in a tank and just trying to grind through as quick as possible then you are unlikely to enjoy it, if you want to use it as a scout it's quite good.

 

I've moved that crew into the Luchs now and that is a more 'fun' tank for sure.



Ryuuteimaru #12 Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:35 PM

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View Postyaourti, on 18 November 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

 

A tier 4 scout is equivalent to a tier 5 tank of another branch, so why on earth would you not 'pimp it out'?

 

I had mine equipped with vents, optics and binos to make the most of the rather good 370m view range and camo (6th on commander for some battles.

 

It's a decent scout, small, quick, view range, okayish gun (it's the top gun on DW2!) 130mm pen with APCR.

 

If you have no interest in a tank and just trying to grind through as quick as possible then you are unlikely to enjoy it, if you want to use it as a scout it's quite good.

 

I've moved that crew into the Luchs now and that is a more 'fun' tank for sure.

 

Because most people especially new players aren't going to waste 750000 silver on a tank they'll going to play for 30-40 games at most, hell most of them aren't even going to have 100% crew by the time they move on.

Akula971 #13 Posted 07 December 2014 - 08:28 PM

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I still have it, and kit it out with binos, coated optics and cammo net, paint. It can do really well on open maps where you can get to a good passive spotting position quickly. However on some maps, such as city maps, corridor maps in higher tiers, you're pretty much screwed. A good game would be something like Steppes, and passively spotting most of the enemy team, whilst your arty and TD's waste them (unspotted) from a distance. A bad game would be similar, but no one taking a blind bit of notice of your spots, and the your team getting massacred in a lemming train. No option but to go out swinging. Most games are the latter.

Tehospede #14 Posted 25 December 2014 - 10:03 AM

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Really fun tank to play but ruined by MM for me. Himmelsdorf in T7 made me laugh. In own tier games it reks.

 

edit: got some gud scautting game http://wotreplays.co...z_kpfw_38_t_n_a


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73north #15 Posted 26 February 2015 - 01:37 PM

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This was a hard scout to play until I learned that to look past its slow acceleration and poor traverse rate, 
Once you adjust your play style to the 38nA's lack of agility, you begin to unlock the true potential of this little gem of a Scout.
It is fairly small and is blessed with the best View Range for Tier IV Scouts, making it an excellent Passive Scout for its Tier

. It can completely dominate same tier fights and still contribute offensively in Tier VII matches if running premium ammo.
As with most Scouts, your goal once the initial passive spotting phase is over should focus on flanking and sniping.

This was my ace tanker game where I scouted forward in bounds , taking my time to let my binocs kick in , then move forward



Tazilon #16 Posted 26 February 2015 - 03:14 PM

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wow.   Among all 50+ tanks I've played, I've played my 38nA 4th most.  It is one of the best kept secrets in WOT; most likely because most people hate it long before they get it fully rigged out and learn how to play it.  I prefer it over the Luchs as a T4 Scout.  Heresy, I know, but that is how much I like it. 

WeDingedEm #17 Posted 18 March 2015 - 01:13 PM

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Made use of the discounts available and re-bought it. Second time around and I am really enjoying it alot more.

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Mr.nA can share some kind words about this mean machine too. It's my 2nd most played tank, currently played 3150 times.

Could easily be brought out more, but I had other vehicles to grind and tactics to implement into my playstyle.

I'm going to return to it, once my twelve teams are over five skills and then I'm planning a serious and deadly comeback with customized and optimized crew skills for this hidden gem.

I guess it took me at least 800 battles to figure out how to become a decent threat, back in the days of tier8 MM.

Learned everything there is to know about how to survive within the first 1500 battles and later emphasizing on how to deal maximum damage while staying alive.

While gradually changing focus from one task to the other, I managed to lose my consentration on pure scout duties and feel now that my pz.38nA is a hybrid between light and a medium.

It has gone from being a tier4 light to a fierce and capable tier5 monster, killing eight hostiles at least six-seven times on tier4.

Tier7 battles doesn't scare me, I've killed three E25s in one battle along with two arties, nearly getting a top gun on tier7 in that particular game.

Tier6 is even more pleasant and I've raped many AT2s from 100% hp down to 0%

 

 

Winrate 56% and rising.

 

40 top guns

61 high caliber

20 confederate

27 patrol duty

18 defender

35 invader

66 scout

 

1 Naydin

1 Kolobanov

4 Orliks

8 Pascuccis

1 De Langlades

2 Fadins

 

 

I owe a great deal of gratitude to 9275 battles in Pz.38(t), using the same tier2 gun as Pz.38nA, and I can confidently say that Pz.38(t) is the single most powerful vehicle in the entire game, at least in my hands. My epic medal harvest in Pz.38(t) is second to none, I guess, simply outstanding:

 

11 Naydin's

17 Kolobanovs

38 Orliks

1 Dumitrus

49 Pascuccis

15 De Langlades

1 Billottes

18 Fadins

 

617 top guns, 423 high calibers and a record of 12 kills in one battle.

 

These two whooping vehicles combined has provided me with 150 epic medals, and that's half of all epics I've gathered so far.

 

 

 


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sea_fret_1 #19 Posted 02 June 2015 - 08:56 PM

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It's an ok tank to play when matched +/-1 tier. But too many times it is matched as a scout vs tier 7 heavies, many of them are actually faster! Those matches are useless waste of time. I get that so many times I get fed up and go make a coffee or do something else for 5 minutes.

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View Postsea_fret_1, on 02 June 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

It's an ok tank to play when matched +/-1 tier. But too many times it is matched as a scout vs tier 7 heavies, many of them are actually faster! Those matches are useless waste of time. I get that so many times I get fed up and go make a coffee or do something else for 5 minutes.

 

You are right - there are so many Tier VII Heavies which go faster than 62 km/h.   What planet do you play on?




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