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BatelGeuce #41 Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:54 AM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 31 August 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

 

All these Chaffee-related tanks are obviously starting at Chaffee. Seriously, how did you not know this? We've been talking about the new lines and the Chaffee rebalance for months.

 

Also, the OP said it too.

 

Because he did not mean Light tanks. There will be new US branch (propably medium tanks) and thats what he is talking about. Well at least I hope it was meant like that because otherwise I would like to know where did he come from ...

 


Edited by BatelGeuce, 03 September 2014 - 02:56 AM.


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I think "new american LIGHT LINE" headline was a huge givaway :P

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View PostBatelGeuce, on 03 September 2014 - 03:54 AM, said:

 

Because he did not mean Light tanks. There will be new US branch (propably medium tanks) and thats what he is talking about. Well at least I hope it was meant like that because otherwise I would like to know where did he come from ...

 

 

Considering he mentioned wanting the T49 LT? I'm pretty certain he was talking about the upcoming lights.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 03 September 2014 - 03:21 AM, said:

 

 

Kwagga you mean 152mm gun with HE/HEAT/HE? HE and HEAT are credits while the other HE is a higher splash radius gold ammo.

 

No. I mean, unless you use free xp, you have to use the 90mm (stock) gun to grind it on the T49, and the credit HESH is marginal besides against Ger paper TDs and SPGs. You have to spam gold heat with the 90mm to be effective.

MetalManiac69 #45 Posted 03 September 2014 - 01:54 PM

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WZ-132 doesn't require spamming gold with only 14 pen more...

 

edit: just realized that regular ammo is HESH... :facepalm:

 

well, it will be good for detracking, if nothing else.


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Currently there are a lot of soft targets on the battlefield, so the 90mm HESH could be more effective than we think.... Then again, WG has done a pathetic job with HE and HESH ammo. You'll most likely have to wait and pick your time to shoot and pray the RNG will not screw you over. Or you can spam HEAT and still get screwed over :harp:

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View PostKwagga, on 03 September 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

 

No. I mean, unless you use free xp, you have to use the 90mm (stock) gun to grind it on the T49, and the credit HESH is marginal besides against Ger paper TDs and SPGs. You have to spam gold heat with the 90mm to be effective.

 

Ah ok i understand now, yes i also agree the pen is kinda useless unless its got paper armor frontally. side hits are just RNG wether you pen and even more RNG if you actually dont hit the tracks. i dont understand the reason behind the extreme low pen in such high tier matchups.

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 03 September 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

 

Considering he mentioned wanting the T49 LT? I'm pretty certain he was talking about the upcoming lights.

 

Well, few lines above they spoke about new US branch and it was not about LTs ... I am kinda used to people who loose their strings while writing so ... you never know :smile:

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View PostCuddlyPanda, on 03 September 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

Currently there are a lot of soft targets on the battlefield, so the 90mm HESH could be more effective than we think.... Then again, WG has done a pathetic job with HE and HESH ammo. You'll most likely have to wait and pick your time to shoot and pray the RNG will not screw you over. Or you can spam HEAT and still get screwed over :harp:

 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 03 September 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

Ah ok i understand now, yes i also agree the pen is kinda useless unless its got paper armor frontally. side hits are just RNG wether you pen and even more RNG if you actually dont hit the tracks. i dont understand the reason behind the extreme low pen in such high tier matchups.

 

 

Don't understand the value either, but since I'm a decent player with Premium account I'll just load 50/50 HESH and HEAT. Wouldn't underestimate the 320 explosive damage, though. You can seriously annoy people with that.



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spam HESH on soviets or chinese meds, you'll very likely set them on fire after 2-3 shots...

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Even some LT's out there have more than 100mm effective frontal armor so im not sure why they even bothered with that kind of pen.. well..i hope i can test it out and see if its any good. if not ill send in a report saying its too low and hope they listen to feedback.

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Eila_Juutilainen #52 Posted 03 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

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You can still do damage even without penetrating. Armour of up to 150mm thickness should be damageable, even if it's only tens, depending on the roll. And lets not forget module damage.

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You dont kill tanks with poor rolls and mod damage, might annoy them but taking a gun out the game is far more important than chipping pathetic ammounts of damage off a T10 tank. id rather have a high pen 250 alpha gun than a unusable HESH shell which wont do anything. id rather have the 105 pz4 derp gun at least the damage is higher if you do hit with HE.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 September 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:

You dont kill tanks with poor rolls and mod damage

 

You totally can if you hit the engine or ammorack :justwait:

 

In all seriousness, yeah it sucks. But it's a stock gun that nobody seriously expects you to use except to grind modules, unless you don't mind shelving out credits for the HEAT ammo. And it will produce decent results if you use it on the targets it's intended for, lightly armoured vehicles.

Though you really shouldn't underestimate 320 HE damage and the rage it can induce. Disabling modules won't kill a tank (well it can if you take out all the crew, but HE has penalties on crew damage), but it will reduce your enemy's combat parameters. And that makes him easier for your team to take out. Not to mention the value that lies in making people lose their calm. People yelling at the screen aren't playing at their best capacity :trollface:



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Hehe... Light armor targets its still useless against..hell most TD's have more than 100mm side armor or just enough of it.. kv-220 has 99pen in tier 5 and it starts to show there how bad 1 tier above can make it unusable.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 04 September 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Hehe... Light armor targets its still useless against..hell most TD's have more than 100mm side armor or just enough of it.. kv-220 has 99pen in tier 5 and it starts to show there how bad 1 tier above can make it unusable.

 

YEah, I know about KV-220's gun. I was one of the first people to have one. But the KV-220 fires AP, not HE, and not penning is for him a lot more painfull.

 

And it really depends what you're shooting and where. For example, if you hit the casemate of a Jagdtiger right above the deck, you will do quite some damage because the roof is very thin and explosions seek the thinnest point in their radius for damage calculation. Or just find an elevated spot and try to shoot directly through the roof, works for just about every tank. This thing does have -10 gun depresion after all.

 

Also, I checked the tier 10 TDs and the only ones with 100mm or more armour on the side are JP E-100 and Obj. 268. Though E3 and E4 could be tricky since their tracks cover most if not all of the sides, I'd need to take a closer look.


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 04 September 2014 - 07:57 AM.


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flank a distracted american tank or get behind them, 1 shot in the rear and they're on fire, 5 sec later, another shot in the rear (but this time they won't have a fire extinguisher) and you'll do much more than 320 dmg with one shot... it's very simple, you just have to open your eyes for opportunities and take them whenever you can. 

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It's doable supposing your opponent is alone, and you can  take a perfect 90 degrees shot at the rear. I don't have much faith in that.

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View PostMetalManiac69, on 04 September 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

flank a distracted american tank or get behind them, 1 shot in the rear and they're on fire, 5 sec later, another shot in the rear (but this time they won't have a fire extinguisher) and you'll do much more than 320 dmg with one shot... it's very simple, you just have to open your eyes for opportunities and take them whenever you can. 

 

Yeah and then some random jobo comes along in his WT/FV or any other subclicker, that you could not expect and kill you with impunity. Simple in theory... Practice is another thing. 

 

View PostKwagga, on 04 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

It's doable supposing your opponent is alone, and you can  take a perfect 90 degrees shot at the rear. I don't have much faith in that.

 

Faith ain't gonna get you far in WoT... Even if you go 1v1 vs some poor bastard chances are he'll try to kill your little [edited], and move his tank about and whatnot. I can't even count the number of times I've flanked someone in my FV 4202, load HESH, perfect angle, and BOOM! I do 150-250 damage hit -.-'



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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 04 September 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

 

YEah, I know about KV-220's gun. I was one of the first people to have one. But the KV-220 fires AP, not HE, and not penning is for him a lot more painfull.

 

And it really depends what you're shooting and where. For example, if you hit the casemate of a Jagdtiger right above the deck, you will do quite some damage because the roof is very thin and explosions seek the thinnest point in their radius for damage calculation. Or just find an elevated spot and try to shoot directly through the roof, works for just about every tank. This thing does have -10 gun depresion after all.

 

Also, I checked the tier 10 TDs and the only ones with 100mm or more armour on the side are JP E-100 and Obj. 268. Though E3 and E4 could be tricky since their tracks cover most if not all of the sides, I'd need to take a closer look.

 

AP can overmatch. HESH/HEAT and HE cannot. thats another downside to the shell type. normalization sucks on them too. they are just horrible shells and making them super weak in pen is only causing more suffering.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 04 September 2014 - 06:53 PM.





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