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[Eila_Juutilainen]

Search_Warrant, on 09 September 2014 - 12:35 AM, said:

Dont praise the M41 so much! it sucks! horrible guns... really slow.. wouldent touch it ever. its worse than amx 40!

 

you think anyone will buy that? i thought it sounded convincing...(hugs M41)

 

AMX 40 is totally OP. Look at that top speed for such an armoured tank

[Search_Warrant]

ELC could only dream of that top speed.

[CursedPudding]

Lolz, yeah, let's keep on talking how bad M41 is, for obvious reasons. It's so bad, so very, very bad, like, absolutely no good at all. The gun has only 150 alpha? that's like, my tank won't even feel it, my A44 russian stronk medium tank has 320. Who will be afraid of a puny gun like that. And it's just so slow for a scout, i mean even the german sniper scout tank Ru251 can overtake it!

[tajj7]

Yeh Walker bulldog looks the better option to me, that derp gun on the T49 in actual tier 9/10 games will be a pain, you won't have 7 or 8 light tanks to shoot at you'll be waiting for the one/two Leopards/Bat Chats/Waffles that might be on the enemy team. 

 

Not to mention that so many people will die whilst trying to get that ONE shot, unless it's point bank, I mean that accuracy is bad enough fully aimed let alone snap shot, I am going to love watching one of these things poke over a hill and sit there for 3 seconds whilst everyone can just pen it's turret only for it to do 300 damage, even if it hits. .

 

The KV2 works because it's on tier 6, a lot of the things it shoots at are lightly armoured and even if they aren't taking a 300 odd damage hit really hurts even on tier 7, on tier 10, nah not so much that is less than standard damage a medium does. 

[Search_Warrant]

yeh i seen QB in his latest with T49 video bouncing allot of armor with HEAT. its a pretty crappy pen shell. HE still sucks. he shot a E100 for somet like 300 side of the turret? test server shows the most stupidity in a person when he dont care about his stats or losing. im calling it first. people will complain about how useless it and how OP RU251 is.

 

QB saying "hurting a heavy frontally for 200-300 damage is awesome" but its every 20 whole seconds. id rather have decent pen gun with 250 alpha and hit 2 times in the turret side RELIABLY for 500.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 09 September 2014 - 08:47 AM.

[Omnichr0n]

... and suddenly the T49 does 1,1k dmg to a WTF E-100... been there, seen that.

[cudak]

Eila_Juutilainen, on 08 September 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

 1: It's real.

T49 was also real, or are you one of those types who think that only mass-produced tanks count as real?

THIS is a real M41, as opposed to scetchbook designs of T49 :)
https://www.youtube....h?v=WehoPJtnH30

Edited by cudak, 09 September 2014 - 01:27 PM.

[Eila_Juutilainen]

cudak, on 09 September 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

THIS is a real M41, as opposed to scetchbook designs of T49 :)
https://www.youtube....h?v=WehoPJtnH30

 

Sketchbook designs? The T49 may not have been mass-produced, but it existed. They built two of them for testing. Well, 'built'... it's practically the Walker Bulldog, just with turret modifications and a different gun.

 

Reading stuff and pictures: http://ftr.wot-news....pcoming-tier-8/

[ollonborre]

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the stock gun on the T49 fire some sort of HE as standard ammo? So that is a fast firing 320 damage 102 pen HE shell yes?

[Eila_Juutilainen]

ollonborre, on 09 September 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the stock gun on the T49 fire some sort of HE as standard ammo? So that is a fast firing 320 damage 102 pen HE shell yes?

 

Yeah, the T123E3 gun fires HESH (high-pen HE in WoT), HEAT and HE.

[ollonborre]

Goodie then I was correct. Now those 102 pen does not look nearly as bad when you keep in mind you only need to hit a target to do some damage, and even tracking shots will cause little damage to some tanks.

 

And you also get 250 pen HEAT, with less damage, so there is the pen problem gone atleast.

Edited by ollonborre, 09 September 2014 - 05:21 PM.

[Search_Warrant]

ollonborre, on 09 September 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Goodie then I was correct. Now those 102 pen does not look nearly as bad when you keep in mind you only need to hit a target to do some damage, and even tracking shots will cause little damage to some tanks.

 

And you also get 250 pen HEAT, with less damage, so there is the pen problem gone atleast.

 

I tested it, its 100% useless. 102pen is not enough to go threw the weakest point of a medium or a heavys side armor. things like mause and is7/4 you wont do anything to them im talking 0 damage hits repeatedly. it needs its stock gun pen upgraded or give us the same gun with higher pen as a second option. the ROF is awesome on the gun i admit but for the damage you will do. id give the WG test team a trophy for making possible the worst gun i have ever seen in game right next to the B1 gun.

[CursedPudding]

102 pen is not bad on HESH-like ammo, just that you can only use it against paper tanks, which will happen 20% of the time. And for the other 80% of time you will do 7 damage. Good luck dealing any real damage with a gun like this. It's either run most of the time on premium ammo, or use this tank mainly for spotting and occasional use of HEP, and spotting is harder and harder to do with map changes. Gonna be a hard grind to 152 Derp. Btw, how much xp does 152 require to unlock?

[basin79]

If you're not going to use the 152mm on the T49 stay at the bulldog or go up another line. It's like when you see a KV2 without the monstrous derp. Pointless, play a T150 instead.

[Search_Warrant]

basin79, on 10 September 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

If you're not going to use the 152mm on the T49 stay at the bulldog or go up another line. It's like when you see a KV2 without the monstrous derp. Pointless, play a T150 instead.

 

kv-2 gun is only monstrous at tier 6. in T10 battles suddenly that gun has no punch and your jaw drops when you hit the side of a jp-e100 for 37 damage.

[basin79]

Search_Warrant, on 10 September 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

 

kv-2 gun is only monstrous at tier 6. in T10 battles suddenly that gun has no punch and your jaw drops when you hit the side of a jp-e100 for 37 damage.

I'd take 37 damage over nothing though. I think the bulldog is going to be a little beast at tier 7. They should buff it a bit and throw it to tier 8 and nerf the T49 and pop that down to tier 7.

[Search_Warrant]

Swap places really.. T49 tier 7 and WB T8. make it happen WG!

[Mitchverr]

So is it just me, or does the M41 seem to suffer heavily from the ammorack detonation? I dont know if i am unlucky, but from what i can tell half the deaths at least of M41s i see (mine or others) seem to be exploding ammorack in the first hit if hit in the frontal arc?

[Search_Warrant]

I think its a test server bug. i seen everyone and there mother getting ammo rack on death all the time in test server. its ether related to the new ricochet mechanics or its a bug....or we are seriously screwed if this hits live. i noticed allot of american mediums get ammo rack hit frontally often tho. same for T69 (i hate you T69 ammo rack..seriously)

[panzeraustirol]

Loekie5500, on 07 September 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

Let's kick off:

1: It's real.

Yes, I know it doesn't affect gameplay but some people who came to World of Tanks for historical reasons might find that a good reason. They could bother with the M551 Sheridan, but no, the T49 will do. M41 Walker Bulldog was produced and used. The T49 used the chassis of the Bulldog. Thats why it wasnt Sheridan. + Sheridan only had the derp gun.

 

2: It's better looking.

This also doesn't affect gameplay, but really, would you prefer driving a tank where somebody sat on with a drain pipe sticking out of the turret over a tank which looks as American as possible and has a more standard type of gun? On KV-1, everybody uses drainpipe and look how are they doing. Great. Also T49 has red lights, no Bulldog cant handle them.

 

3: That gun, seriously?

Drain pipe, as I refer to it. 152 mm gun is fun on a KV-2 at tier 6 but I'd not prefer shooting Tier 10 heavies' butts with 76 mm of penetration. Although it splashes, you'd do minimal damage on heavy armor. 

Whereas 175 mm of pen with APCR shells as standard seems OK for me. It gives you the possibility to actually penetrate tier 10 heavies. And ofcourse it's not a howitzer, it's a 76 mm gun, making shell flight speed, accuracy and aiming time a bit normal. Not that you'll ever find a T49 sniping. I understand that, but everybody will still use Drainpipe (some only look at damage).

 

4. It's faster

But they both have a 72,4 km/h top speed? Yes, they have. But the T49 reaches it harder. Don't know why, since the M41 is heavier, but in practice I've overtook some T49's. So? You accelerate at you base or spawn, not where the enemies are (exept if you get detracked).

 

5. The M41 get's a gun we can work with.

I just said that, but let's go to that in full detail.

T49: 19,9 sec reload. 910 damage if you penetrate, horrible accuracy, aiming time, shell flight distance.

M41: autoloader, 10 shells, 175 pen, 150 damage making a potential burst damage of 1500, which is enough to 1 clip tier 8 heavies, normal accuracy, aiming time, shell flight distance (a faster one, since it has APCR as standard). You are talking about the autoloader instead of the normal gun. So not really great presentation.

 

6. More...

The M41 gets 4 guns. 1 not so good  stock one, 10k exp for the next one, which comes close to the last one.

3rd gun is an autoloader. The one we just discussed. 

Don't like autoloaders? You have the fourth gun, which has the same stats as the autoloader, but then as normal gun. With a 3,5 sec reload! Choice for everyone.

T49 only gets 2 guns, the 152 mm gun, which is, not so good, and the stock one. I'd say people would use the stock one, but it's also not very good.

Well, a rate of fire of 9,52 with 320 damage makes up for pretty good DPM but 102 mm of penetration. Take out a tier 4 tank and it has more than that. So this is also a gun for lightly armored targets, but very very lightly. And no splash damage. I kinda agree with that also.

 

7. ...for less

The M41 is tier 7. The T49 is tier 8. Translation, you'll have an M41 sooner, and it'll cost less XP. So why do you compare these two instead of T49 against RU and T-54 light?

 

8. But the scouting capacities?

As we just said, the speed of the M41 is slightly better in practice, though on paper the T49 seems to be faster.

View range/radio range? Exactly the same. No reason to pick the T49 because it's a better scout. So why would I liked Bulldog better? It doesnt have better viewrange then T49...

 

9. Where does this line end?

M41 -> T49 -> T54E1 -> T57 Heavy

OK, you might want to get a T49 to continue on with this line. But then again, I've played the M7, T21, T71 and T69 as well, and they are pretty good. You might want to consider going these ways. So now even Bulldog isn`t good? Now you are comparing branches, not vehicles.

 

10. Actually everything is cheaper.

We've just considered this, but with a closer look everything on the M41 is cheaper. Tracks are cheaper, turret is cheaper, you don't even need the second turret for the best gun on the M41, on the T49 you do. Radio and engine are the same.4 It is lower tier thats why.

 

So there you go. My T49 and M41 comparision. Hope it inspires you. It inspired me to fix some things in this.