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Fullgatsu #241 Posted 26 February 2015 - 04:26 PM

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View PostUserext, on 26 February 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

"What exactly do you find so similar between these two tanks? Be specific because just saying they support heavies is so vague that no one would find that tip helpful. I could see WZ-132 or T-54 LT have similar play style in some regards to the T-62A but I don't see how the AMX 13 90 does."

 

You are right i didnt be specific that might have let others think diffrently

Basicly i was talking about T-62A being the light-medium tank at tier 10 yes 13 90 might have bad armour but the case is not just 13 90 T-62A is much more similar to tier 8 LT's (except T49) than T-54 or 140

 

T-62A's armour except turret is too fragile yes there are position where you can use your turret but people at tier X arent going to let you shot theeir weakspot

also jgpze100(i really hate to fight this tank) with HEAT shells can penetrate T-62A's turret armour from weird angles

it happend to me and losing 1.2k HP was not fun right at the start of the battle an unknown TD from 250 meters fired an HEAT shell to turret top of my T-62A and it penetrated and no he wasnt above the ground nor i was showing him my turret top 90 degree

 

whatever this isnt the case

 

so a 13 90 in my opinion wouldnt go hulldown on a position just peak out unload and hide you dont have super good alpha either

i gave 13 90 as an example because it is one of the top 3 tier 8 light tank

 

I thought T-62A is a light-medium combined tank

also T-62A has 0.34 dispersion with 2 aim time it certainly doesnt have a super good accuracy(yes it is really accurate) leopard 1 and E-50M has super good accuracy for example

 

the other thing is you have 15 P/W ratio with 50 top speed but E-50M has 60 top speed with 19 P/W ratio it has good hull armour good gun and it only pays that with turret armour on the other hand T-62A doesnt have much but a good-mediocre gun and a turret so if E-50M is a medium you cant call T-62A just medium

Jgpze100 have 420mm penetration with HEAT it pens most of the E3 superstructure with that penetration so pretty much nothing have armor if you're using that as a standard. T-62A turret have only a few places that tier 10 mediums and heavies can pen with standard round http://wotreplays.com/site/1659839?secret=c35052d5bb5b5389e44f9f49c6285586 halfway in I hulldown against a Jgpze100 and bounce a AP shot in my Obj 140. It's much riskier to do that type of hulldown in a Obj 140 due to the top of the turret being triple overmatched by anything above 90mm guns and no matter how good your turret is you should still minimize your exposure time.

 

"so a 13 90 in my opinion wouldnt go hulldown on a position just peak out unload and hide you dont have super good alpha either"

Which was my point. A 13 90 wouldn't take such a position but a T-62A can which makes their play style quite different. Finding hulldown position with -5 gun depression isn't the easiest but there are plenty to find.

 

When people say dispersion what the most likely mean is dispersion how much the aim circle grows for moving the tracks or turret.

Turret traverse/Vehicle move/Vehicle traverse dispersion T-62A have 0.077/0.096/0.096 while 13 90 have 0.173/0.201/0.201 quite a difference. Leopard 1 for comparison to the T-62A have 0.077/0.173/0.173 so while Leopard is more accurate when fully aimed when it comes to snapshotting the T-62A is more accurate.

 

Other tier 8 lights values RU 251 0.077/0.153/0.153 T49 0.364/0.153/0.153 WZ-132 0.115/0.115/0.115 T-54 ltwt 0.077/0.115/0.115 as you see for tier 8 lights the 13 90 dispersion is really bad with only T49 with its derp being worse also note that the 13 90 have 3s aiming time where everyone except T49 is in the 2-2.3s range.

 

T-62A hp/t ratio is deceptive because T-62A have great terrain resistance hard/medium/soft terrain 0.479/0.575/1.352 while E 50M have 1.055/1.247/2.205. E 50M have greater top speed but T-62A is more nimble. E 50M isn't good tank to use as a baselines for mediums as you then pretty much only have one medium, E 50M is more like the medium that wants to be the heavy tank.

 

I don't 13 90 and T-62A share play style because of their differences in armor, dispersion values, DPM and most of all the fact that one uses an autoloader. Autoloader tanks tend to require a very specific play style which is only similar to other autoloaders. E5 and T57 share many similarities but they chose very different engagements due to how sustained damage works compared to burst damage. If you said that the T-62A play style is similar to WZ-132/T-54 ltwt/Ru 251 I might be more inclined to agree.   

 


Edited by Fullgatsu, 26 February 2015 - 07:37 PM.


Userext #242 Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:51 PM

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View PostFullgatsu, on 26 February 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

Jgpze100 have 420mm penetration with HEAT it pens most of the E3 superstructure with that penetration so pretty much nothing have armor if you're using that as a standard. T-62A turret have only a few places that tier 10 mediums and heavies can pen with standard round http://wotreplays.com/site/1659839?secret=c35052d5bb5b5389e44f9f49c6285586 halfway in I hulldown against a Jgpze100 and bounce a AP shot in my Obj 140. It's much riskier to do that type of hulldown in a Obj 140 due to the top of the turret being triple overmatched by anything above 90mm guns and no matter how good your turret is you should still minimize your exposure time.

 

"so a 13 90 in my opinion wouldnt go hulldown on a position just peak out unload and hide you dont have super good alpha either"

Which was my point. A 13 90 wouldn't take such a position but a T-62A can which makes their play style quite different. Finding hulldown position with -5 gun depression isn't the easiest but there are plenty to find.

 

When people say dispersion what the most likely mean is dispersion how much the aim circle grows for moving the tracks or turret.

Turret traverse/Vehicle move/Vehicle traverse dispersion T-62A have 0.077/0.096/0.096 while 13 90 have 0.173/0.201/0.201 quite a difference. Leopard 1 for comparison to the T-62A have 0.077/0.173/0.173 so while Leopard is more accurate when fully aimed when it comes to snapshotting the T-62A is more accurate.

 

Other tier 8 lights values RU 251 0.077/0.153/0.153 T49 0.364/0.153/0.153 WZ-132 0.115/0.115/0.115 T-54 ltwt 0.077/0.115/0.115 as you see for tier 8 lights the 13 90 dispersion is really bad with only T49 with its derp being worse also note that the 13 90 have 3s aiming time where everyone except T49 is in the 2-2.3s range.

 

T-62A hp/t ratio is deceptive because T-62A have great terrain resistance soft/medium/hard terrain 0.479/0.575/1.352 while E 50M have 1.055/1.247/2.205. E 50M have greater top speed but T-62A is more nimble. E 50M isn't good tank to use as a baselines for mediums as you then pretty much only have one medium, E 50M is more like the medium that wants to be the heavy tank.

 

I don't 13 90 and T-62A share play style because of their differences in armor, dispersion values, DPM and most of all the fact that one uses an autoloader. Autoloader tanks tend to require a very specific play style which is only similar to other autoloaders. E5 and T57 share many similarities but they chose very different engagements due to how sustained damage works compared to burst damage. If you said that the T-62A play style is similar to WZ-132/T-54 ltwt/Ru 251 I might be more inclined to agree.   

 

 

i never played with any other autoloaders any way just that 13 90 line so it might be because of this that i think T-62A and 13 90 play types are close

 

but i insist that T-62A is light-medium combined

 

also that P/W helps you climb hill faster and move better in soft terrain if T-62A goes into water you seriously cant maneuver

 

and thank you again for not acting like a child you spoke with facts and i really cant deny those take my upvote



armholeeio #243 Posted 28 February 2015 - 11:53 AM

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If you don't like it sell it, I know people say nooooo it's great and all that crap! Don't listen if you don't get on with it your just going to let it sit there, I have a chi-ri and I can't face the 90 thou I still have to grind out to get rid of it so it just sits there. Least you hit top of the tech tree so can go left or right or go back down to a part of the line you like

Userext #244 Posted 28 February 2015 - 06:03 PM

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View Postarmholeeio, on 28 February 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

If you don't like it sell it, I know people say nooooo it's great and all that crap! Don't listen if you don't get on with it your just going to let it sit there, I have a chi-ri and I can't face the 90 thou I still have to grind out to get rid of it so it just sits there. Least you hit top of the tech tree so can go left or right or go back down to a part of the line you like

 

this guy has above 2k average damage at T-62A he is crying because T-62A isnt OP medium

 

His actualy account name is fedaykin89 as he proved so



armholeeio #245 Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:39 AM

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It's russian its already border line op from the beginning




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