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Technocrat_Prime #41 Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:36 AM

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View PostRandomNumberGenerator, on 28 October 2014 - 01:33 AM, said:

Think of it everyone else: Is this game really THAT FUN?! Or is it just an addiction and the fact you spent a shitload of money on your account and can't justify quitting? 

 

Neither. For me, it's a hobby.



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View Postlocke_RO, on 28 October 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

I do believe that you don't want to quit actually - if so, you would have done it without the thread :D

 

View PostRandomNumberGenerator, on 28 October 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Maybe I have and addictive personality? 

 

Addicted to attention? :blinky:



ArrNgee #43 Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:39 AM

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I actually do want to quit. The reason of this thread: Enlighten people on what this game can do to SOME people (me, specifically)

 

Not really an attention whore, not my nature



Lemacque #44 Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:41 AM

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Cripes! If i spend over £20 on this game a month I get scared...

i used to convert xp with gold, but haven't done that in a while now, and am not spending credits much either. I bought a few prem tanks (one a month under £15 each), and get prem account every month. its just my little treat to myself.

I can't even imaging spending 400 euro in a month on a game!?!?!? Deffo time to either quit or take a long break mate.



Ingaric #45 Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:47 AM

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Just play the tanks you like.

There is no point in free xp-ing to unlock every tank there is, because you don't have the time to play them all. And noone sees your account, so who cares how many tanks you've got.

 

The game is a sinkhole if you want to have it all, you'll have to decide that what you have is enough.

 

But there are other potential sinkholes out there. I knew people who spent most of their salary on 'Red light districts', expensive drinks in clubs (instead of buying the bottle in a store and drink at home), plain gambling in casino's and there are many more sinkholes like: new clothes every week, new phone every few months, new this, new that,
 

Whatever compels you to spend way too much money on the game, may compel you to spend it on other stuff to make you feel valuable/important or whatever makes millions of free xp and tanks in your garage feel you.

 

You are valuable the way you are and it might be a good idea to let this game rest for a while and look around.



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View PostRandomNumberGenerator, on 28 October 2014 - 08:36 AM, said:

 

Won't delete the account for now, but will uninstall to get it out of my way.. I should convert the rest of the XP though so I don't have to have it laying around tempting me. Then I could enable accelerated training.

 

The other RandomXXx's are not my alts, they all have lots of games and lower stats than me :P

 

They all renamed their accounts just for the laugh of it. One was Hancock86 (danish guy), other one was lillegud (also danish) and the last one was panhed13 (british)

 

OK you have 19,332 battles as of now.   If you feel you want to play again return to this thread first before you sneak in a game.

 

 



xxlguru #47 Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:59 AM

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Time to quit giving out that much money.

 

Trust me, especially if you can afford it, one can easy slip and then he looks back and see that actually he gave more for this one game then for all games ever.

 

God knows I gave way to much money to. But then again now I got grip of it and Only now and then I get some gold. Before I would give 50 Euro per month next to year Premium and if I would feel I need something like Premium tank or just bit more gold like 10 or 20 Euro I would not even blink.

 

Now I do have year Premium sure. IF I play I find it waste of the time playing without premium. That much I will support game. Other then that? Well once in 1 to 3 months I will spend 10,20 or 30 Euro. That is it. I wanted to get new Premium but then again why? I have plenty. Plus most of them got way worse then they use to be. Game got worse to. So why should I award them? I want WG to survive to be able to rectify things. As long as they fail in my eyes I will not be spending money.

 

Next thing is Players base. I pay and people P4F insult me. I make it possible for them to P4F and I am bad person when I play in Premium tank? I have had 22 tier X tanks. Currently after I sold two tier X arties I have only 20 tier X tanks. I play this game to enjoy tier X. Why best tanks no one above you to bully you and smallest amount of useless people (Still 3 per team though). To play them I need to play premiums to.

 

So I perfectly fit in donor scenario. What do you get back for it?

 

 

For 400 Euro you should get second woman giving you head every time you sit to play your game. You do not get it from WG? Do not give them your money. Or at least not that much.



xxlguru #48 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:00 AM

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Now jsut fun. IF you quit do we get to hit where we aim and make damage when we have aimed good or your Family will still F-us in game?  :trollface:

xxlguru #49 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:04 AM

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BTW if you have need to give money away you can donate to Monthly gasoline costs funds I will give you account number :trollface:

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Well, by your description, it is an addiction for you. And not in a "hobby" or "I occasionally get wasted at parties" kind of way.

 

Which basically means that, sadly, it doesn't matter anymore whether you have fun with the game or not, the point is, you have no control over certain things you should have the control over. Which means you can't make choices because you'll either be swayed by your addiction, or you'll rationalize the choice to death, again, to continue with the addiction.

The amount of money isn't the problem, it's the wiring. You could have a hobby and spend a thousand on it every month and not be addicted.

 

Which means that you should stop. If you can't, seek help from a family member, a friend etc. "Attention whore" is often misused. But your choice to make this thread is a form of "halp me":) Which is perfectly fine.

 

You don't necessarily need to delete the account, but you need to get the same result as if the account was deleted. Work with somebody else on that, as you'll subconsciously set "traps" for yourself to fall in if you don't have some kind of policeman that isn't you:) No matter the willpower, our brain has an enormous capability to trick us, so don't rely on that. So, police yourself - and I might add, in an effective way. Don't think of something like "if I play WoT after my decision (and the announcement), I'll tell my wife to slap me two times for each battle", which you can easily endure. Also, don't choose the soft and/or corruptible police person:D

 

Now, the hard part is (not with every addiction, but with most of them) that you need to do it completely dry. Which means  no more WoT. You'll accomplish nothing with "five battles a day" or something like that. No more wot. In any way, shape or form, don't read news on portal, don't write on forums etc. Might seem a bit unnecessary, but from your description, I'll assume it will be necessary.

 

And maybe the most important part (one of, certainly) is that you need to do it NOW:) If you are reading this part, after the "NOW:)", you failed:D I'm joking, of course, but then I am not really joking:) So, no "farewel queues" or some constructions like that. No, "this is tle last week/day/hour/battle/kill/shot/click". Because it WILL have the same result as the "I'm starting to study next monday" mantra - none.

 

 

And then, when your control is back (when you KNOW you have it back), take a small dip if you feel the need to - I assume you won't but you never know. Of course, a policed dip:) If you feel the addiction instead of control, go dry again and never look back.

 

That is my advice to you:)

 

 

GOOD LUCK:D


Edited by Doolio, 28 October 2014 - 10:07 AM.


xxlguru #51 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:07 AM

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Och BTW one can not be saved by running away. Only by facing stuff you fear. Why running away does not work? You bring your self always with you. Food for thoughts.

Doolio #52 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:22 AM

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That works to some degree. But if you are addicted to something and want out, you DO NOT challenge it in order to overcome it and be a zen master of life and death level100:) Because you would usually wind up dead:) Not with tanks of course, but for example, with alcohol:)

I quit both alcohol and cigarettes (and I drank A LOT - now you have some quantity and schedule in your mind when someone writes "DRANK A LOT" in capital letters, but you are wrong - I drank a lot more than you can assume). And, yes, now I can go freely and order a beer or whatever and drink one beer and not feel the need for another (which means I really got to that zen master level100, because 99 times out of 100, there always stays that "first glass syndrome". I don't have it). But, in the beginning, I had to go dry for several years.

With the cigarettes, it's different. I quit smoking about five years ago, after smoking for about 15 years or so. I still want to smoke. Of course, not always and the need isn't very noticeable, but, I KNOW that I shouldn't let myself have even one cigarette. There's a difference in feeling of control between alcohol and cigarettes regarding my current self. And I don't think I could afford the luxury of having that one cigarette even like twenty years from now. Because control. Cigarettes OP, nerf addiction!

 

Basically, the point is, he's not afraid of something which he wants to actively and normally pursuit and thus is having problems (I want to ask girls out but I lack courage, I want to do stand up but I have fear of public performance etc). Then you would say "ok dude, let's do this, first, try to tell a joke in front of five close friends and we will work from there and conquer your fears". This is the opposite. You don't give a can of gas and a match to a pyromaniac and ask him to fight the urge:) You create environment without gas cans and matches. Until PERHAPS you sense that you can give him one match to see what he does. If you catch that look in his eyes, you take the match away:)

 

If you are lvl23 and the dragon is lvl50, you don't charge, you actually run away, grind xp and then come back at lvl50, or even more desirable, at lvl65 or so. Or maybe never, because you are somewhere on another continent and you're lvl148 and you don't need to loot some puny dragon:)

 

I am saying - I know where you're coming from, but I think it's a bit apples and oranges with your advice to wrestle with it, it's not that kind of checkpoint if you ask me:)


Edited by Doolio, 28 October 2014 - 10:28 AM.


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Im struggling in the 'fun' department also, Ive spen FAR too much on my sons, nephews and my account and spend far too much time on this game trying to get value for the money i've spent.  I now dont run a premium account, havent for 2 months now and I will not buy more time, I earn enough credits to sustain things without.

 

No longer will this be the case, or at least i'm trying to make this the case.  The TOGtober mission was good for me as I had a target of 5 wins then turn the game off.  Im trying to continue to this attitude even though I now have the gold + slot (of course I already had the TOG, i spend lots on this game)

 

The fury tank came out last night and I immediately went to buy it, then I stopped and thought about the premiums I have, in particular the T-34-3 and decided better about buying another under performing premium tank, ill spend more money on my children instead thank you.

 

Ive found that my stats are getting slightly better doing this and i'm enjoying it more and im also spending more time listening to my music and movies in my cinema, meaning that I am having more fun doing outside the game.

 

There are just far too many [edited]playing now, check out the whine thread from a guy getting TK'd as an example of what we have to deal with.

 

find the balance



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View PostDoolio, on 28 October 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

That works to some degree. But if you are addicted to something and want out, you DO NOT challenge it in order to overcome it and be a zen master of life and death level100:) Because you would usually wind up dead:) Not with tanks of course, but for example, with alcohol:)

I quit both alcohol and cigarettes (and I drank A LOT - now you have some quantity and schedule in your mind when someone writes "DRANK A LOT" in capital letters, but you are wrong - I drank a lot more than you can assume). And, yes, now I can go freely and order a beer or whatever and drink one beer and not feel the need for another (which means I really got to that zen master level100, because 99 times out of 100, there always stays that "first glass syndrome". I don't have it). But, in the beginning, I had to go dry for several years.

With the cigarettes, it's different. I quit smoking about five years ago, after smoking for about 15 years or so. I still want to smoke. Of course, not always and the need isn't very noticeable, but, I KNOW that I shouldn't let myself have even one cigarette. There's a difference in feeling of control between alcohol and cigarettes regarding my current self. And I don't think I could afford the luxury of having that one cigarette even like twenty years from now. Because control. Cigarettes OP, nerf addiction!

 

Basically, the point is, he's not afraid of something which he wants to actively and normally pursuit and thus is having problems (I want to ask girls out but I lack courage, I want to do stand up but I have fear of public performance etc). Then you would say "ok dude, let's do this, first, try to tell a joke in front of five close friends and we will work from there and conquer your fears". This is the opposite. You don't give a can of gas and a match to a pyromaniac and ask him to fight the urge:) You create environment without gas cans and matches. Until PERHAPS you sense that you can give him one match to see what he does. If you catch that look in his eyes, you take the match away:)

 

Agree +1

 

Getting over something does not mean you are running away of it. It means havign controll over your self when using it. Making it not that important do you or don't you use it and not giving your self to a addiction.

 

So perfect example is drank. Never ever tasting it again works. But it is not a control over your self it is just admitting that you have no control and that you are scared of your self because you know what is about to happen.

 

Only issue is that some people think I have control. Now I drink now I do not and just mask their addiction with it.

 

Mastering it is taking one or even two and even if it feels like more (mostly does not) saying I am Master of what I take or not and not that next glass so I say no.

 

Running away is same. Disregarding is it alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, food, game or what ever kind of a addiction. Only person you fool is your self.

 

First step is done. Admitting you have addiction. But then understand it is you not the game (drank, drugs, food, cigarettes or what ever else). Sure game is potentially addictive but it is you who decide how much addictive it is going to be for you.

 

Understanding issues is within your self is hard. Once you go over that steep you will be free to limit your addiction and find a balance.

 

Moderate use is a clue for everything. Using to much is the Issue.

 

Said that all some people are not strong enough to master their addiction. They have to  stop for ever.

 

Also some addictions are way harder and have even dependencies one can not control. Hard drugs for example. There is no control over it. You just can think you have it. Only way is to stop it for ever.  Or you end up like many others. Year 2006 I have lost a cousin to Over Dose. 29 years old, married with 3 years old son. Lost a friend to.

 

Sometimes only solution is to stop.

 

So you decide. Or master your addiction or stop forever.



_kerber_ #55 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:42 AM

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Mots of us are addicted way to much to this game. 

Especially better stats you have, more time/money/resources you spend on game :tongue:

 

I knew one person, who were providing online gambling service. You know how he was calling his clients? Addicted sick idiots

I think its perfectly fit most of us tank PRO gamers :blinky:

 



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Quitting seems like a sensible decision for anyone who finds it costs too much time and money. When it's a significant amount of the day spent on one game, or a significant amount of monthly income, it's just more than it's worth. I'd guess anything over two hours a day or 100€ a month qualifies as more than it's worth.

 

Me, I have played since beta, and it pains me what I spent on this game in time and money. Especially since I noted very soon that the game is intensive in both - when gold prices were revealed, I thought them way too high. But there I fell into the trap: It seems to get cheaper when you play more. And of course when you play more, you have invested more time, which makes you more reluctant to give it up. So you will spend money again, which makes you more reluctant... etc. And maybe at one point you get collector's craze, which can tempt you to buy yet another package that not only has that rare tank, but also premium time, which of course you have to play out... or there is yet another mission for a rare tank that you feel compelled to play. And of course when you buy premium time, anything under a month is just not worth it, so you are always hooked for 30 days.

 

I spent about 40 Cent per day on this game since it went Gold. That doesn't sound that much (though it is about twice as much as I judged fair back then), but it adds up: I am at over 550€ now. The time spent on the game is just insane. Even now, when I have premium, I play about 20 battles a day, which is a lot of time even when you calculate only five minutes per battle. All this, I consider at least borderline unacceptable.

The upside is, when I don't have time for WOT, I find it very easy to just not play. And I realize that the thrill of the game is basically gone. It has been three years since I last time bought premium for more than a month. So phasing out seems to be happening for me.

 

In short, I get where you are coming from, Random. I would definitely recommend to anyone to quit who is playing even more than this. 



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View PostDoolio, on 28 October 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

 

With the cigarettes, it's different. I quit smoking about five years ago, after smoking for about 15 years or so. I still want to smoke. Of course, not always and the need isn't very noticeable, but, I KNOW that I shouldn't let myself have even one cigarette. There's a difference in feeling of control between alcohol and cigarettes regarding my current self. And I don't think I could afford the luxury of having that one cigarette even like twenty years from now. Because control. Cigarettes OP, nerf addiction!

 

 

Never have that first cigarette.  I gave up for 8 years and decided one day in Florida on holiday that I will have that one cigar after a great meal.  That was also years ago and i'm still a 20 a day man since that day.  IT ONLY TAKES ONE to feel the defeat and back into the rut.



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​Said that all some people are not strong enough to master their addiction. They have to  stop for ever.
 
Also some addictions are way harder and have even dependencies one can not control. Hard drugs for example. There is no control over it. You just can think you have it. Only way is to stop it for ever.  Or you end up like many others. Year 2006 I have lost a cousin to Over Dose. 29 years old, married with 3 years old son. Lost a friend to.

 Yes, that's therrible. Heroin, I assume. That's why I wrote not to challenge your addictions. Well, true, you can't actually DIE from WoT (as opposed to alcohol or heroin for example), but you can pay the ridiculous RELATIVE price, which is, well, not the same, but you know what I want to say. So, IF you can't overcome it, then leave it, any way of doing it is "legit". Luckily, about video games, I went through that type of initiation some twenty years ago, so now I'm out of danger, I play wot or any other game when I feel like it, if I feel like it. But I had my 50 hour marathons those 20 years ago...

As a HUGE psychology buff-hobbyist, I know a lot of psychotherapists, I know a lot of drug addicts, mental castrates and all kinds of people and am generally fascinated by the mechanics of our psyche. And also, I have somewhat grim experiences with alcohol, which I put VERY high on the list of addictive drugs, first or second place if you ask me. And my opinion on addiction is very serious, even if it's a "small one that doesn't do much". Because it's a trap. The mechanics are the same for every addiction (except some don't have the physical component, such as WoT probably:) ) and because our unconscious mind doesn't want us to suffer (but at the same time doesn't know the concept of time, investment etc) it WILL go great lengths to save us from the discomfort, falsely recognizing that addiction as a source of pleasure (as it can't grasp the bigger picture). As the unconscious is VERY powerful and below our conscious radar, your conscious self is at a disadvantage.

Your brain wants to "protect you" from being exploited at your job. It can literally deliberately make you to break a leg while under shower in the morning and it will "look like an accident". It's not an uncommon thing:) It can make you rationalize the most obviously stupid thing ever and make it that it seems perfectly logical to you. That's why I advocate the full dry approach with a reliable "policeman" (or several), because if the "deep you" wants to play tanks, you will play tanks, regardless of whether you "want to":)

 

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Never have that first cigarette.  I gave up for 8 years and decided one day in Florida on holiday that I will have that one cigar after a great meal.  That was also years ago and i'm still a 20 a day man since that day.  IT ONLY TAKES ONE to feel the defeat and back into the rut.

 Yeah, I know. I mean, I don't, as I am not having that cigarette ever:) but, you know what I mean:)

I actually failed at my first attempt at stopping smoking, it lasted for a year and then, well, quite typical, a wild woman appears. wild woman uses womanry. it's extremely succesful. Doolio buys lucky strike:D This other time I'm a bit older and smarter and I went fully dry (going to 0 cigs momentarily, went through horrible crises etc) and now I'm a happy panda:) I do get the wish to smoke, but it's not strong, of course and it's mostly only on some perfect setup occasions, having a drink and conversation with "bros" or something like that. Then I feel that nostalgic pull, but nothing I can't manage.

 


 

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What happened to you man! :facepalm:

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View PostNoobossss, on 28 October 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

What happened to you man! :facepalm:

 

Counting the money and time I spent on virutal products happened.. 

 

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