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T49 Choice of Guns , 90mm vs. 152mm


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bubo_bubo #1 Posted 28 October 2014 - 05:40 AM

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Day after I bought the tank I started working on the 152mm gun.
Unfortunetly, it's also during the worst time I had in WoT in 54k rounds. All the negativity you see in chat is but a fraction of it.
Few rounds stand out however, and these are basicaly the "good rounds".

I got two really nice rounds, one with 90mm and one with 152mm and what I notices is... 90mm gun uses HE and HEP rounds. HE has low pen, while HEP standard has 102mm of pen, and... those 102mm are EXTREMELY RELIABLE! I mean you wouldn't believe how reliable they are. I actually penetrated the front of T-34-3 with those 102mm of HEP in one of the rounds I had.

152mm however... It randomly picks wether or not it's 76mm of pen will penetrate 30mm of armor or not. Side of an AMX50b at point blank... 400 damage, lower plate of an AMX 13 90, 300 damage... no consistency with penetration.

So... 90mm or 152... depends if you like consistancy or that DERP 1in30shots moment.

 

Here are two replays showing what can be done with a bit of luck and skill, hopefuly it helps you decide on what gun to use or if to keep them both :)

90mm - http://wotreplays.co...d-bubo_bubo-t49

152mm - http://wotreplays.co...t-bubo_bubo-t49



tumppi776 #2 Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:55 AM

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Both are good - and using both also myself currently. But 90mm must use HEAT on occasion. Even with HEAT you'll be struggling on t10 matches with 90mm on maps like Himmelsdorf where your flanking options are severy limited. 152mm does better when there are tier 10's around.

 

showcase matches using both guns:

 

152: http://wotreplays.co...te/1277907#self        - tier 10 mm

90: http://wotreplays.co...umppi776-t49    - tier 8 mm

 

these replays really show the best of both weapons - if guns were reversed on those games, the end results would not be so nice.


Edited by tumppi776, 28 October 2014 - 10:58 AM.


Laatikkomafia #3 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:28 AM

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It is the same deal as with the KV-2.

If you don't use the 152mm on it, you may aswell drive the T-150 instead.

bubo_bubo #4 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:30 AM

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I like these kinds of tanks. Where both guns are a good choice.
Like Centurion 7/1.

But those pood JgTigers xD

 

View PostLaatikkomafia, on 28 October 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

It is the same deal as with the KV-2.
If you don't use the 152mm on it, you may aswell drive the T-150 instead.

 

Ah, but 90mm on T49 is actually quite a good choice.

I was thinking it will be a horrible grind to 152mm gun, tracks, turret, gun. But no. The 90mm gun behaves very well.


Edited by bubo_bubo, 28 October 2014 - 11:32 AM.


Laatikkomafia #5 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:42 AM

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View Postbubo_bubo, on 28 October 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

I like these kinds of tanks. Where both guns are a good choice.
Like Centurion 7/1.

But those pood JgTigers xD

 

 

Ah, but 90mm on T49 is actually quite a good choice.

I was thinking it will be a horrible grind to 152mm gun, tracks, turret, gun. But no. The 90mm gun behaves very well.

 

Then why you bother making two separate topics if you prefer the 90mm -.-

bubo_bubo #6 Posted 28 October 2014 - 01:01 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 28 October 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

Then why you bother making two separate topics if you prefer the 90mm -.-

 

One for replays, one for discussion in the tank section.

And I don't prefer the 90mm, simply because the DERP factor of the 152. Like KV-2. You don't drive it because it has a great gun. You drive it because DERP.


Edited by bubo_bubo, 28 October 2014 - 01:01 PM.


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90mm gun -> T69.
152mm gun -> T49.

Simple.

panzeraustirol #8 Posted 28 October 2014 - 06:17 PM

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On the supertest video with mighty Jingles, when he was testing T49, all players had derp. Cuz a nobody got time fo 90 mm if you can have 152 mm.



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90mm gun is horrible. Great dpm potential but 102 pen is pathetic. Sure, if all you ever faced were tier 8s then would be harder choice but try firing the 90mm at an E100 from any angle, you ain't going going to scratch it. Even with HEAT, you're going to bounce from anything but a 90  degree angle. 152mm all the way. 

 

If you can pen something with 102 pen then you will wreck it with the 152 whether you pen or not. This tank is for Derping, that's the only point of it.



bubo_bubo #10 Posted 29 October 2014 - 06:01 AM

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View PostRico4uk, on 28 October 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

90mm gun is horrible. Great dpm potential but 102 pen is pathetic. Sure, if all you ever faced were tier 8s then would be harder choice but try firing the 90mm at an E100 from any angle, you ain't going going to scratch it. Even with HEAT, you're going to bounce from anything but a 90  degree angle. 152mm all the way. 

 

If you can pen something with 102 pen then you will wreck it with the 152 whether you pen or not. This tank is for Derping, that's the only point of it.

 

Surprise surprise :P The 90mm does about 100 damage per HEP shot on heavily armored targets xD You'll do about as much damage with 152 against E-100 as you'll do with 90mm :P

Something to do with it being HEP instead of HE?

The grind to 152 wasn't as bad as I thought it will be. It was actually quite good. 102mm seemed just fine. And oh shotting at Tier 9 and 10 mediums with it :D It's a pleasure to see them getting hit as hard as they would with a Tier 10 APCR from russian mediums xD At the same rate of fire xD


Edited by bubo_bubo, 29 October 2014 - 06:02 AM.


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90mm HE against an E100 will do like 10-20 damage lol. 152mm will do anywhere from 150-300. Why would 90mm do same as 152mm when neither have a prayer of penetration. 

If you prefer the 90mm then that's cool, that's your choice and if it works better than 152 for you then that's the right choice for you. Guess I'm just a Derp addict though lol



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View PostRico4uk, on 29 October 2014 - 10:08 AM, said:

90mm HE against an E100 will do like 10-20 damage lol. 152mm will do anywhere from 150-300. Why would 90mm do same as 152mm when neither have a prayer of penetration. 

If you prefer the 90mm then that's cool, that's your choice and if it works better than 152 for you then that's the right choice for you. Guess I'm just a Derp addict though lol

 

I'm not saying I prefer the 90mm! xD

I'm just saying that people underestimate the 90mm because it's "102mm HEP".

I mean, how can anyone not use the 152 because of moments like these:

Rear Shots

http://wotreplays.co...f-bubo_bubo-t49

4 HE Penetrations

http://wotreplays.co...e-bubo_bubo-t49

 

There is no denying the 152mm is better, but the 90mm is not a wrong choice. Just a bit inferior.



Waagabondh #13 Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:28 PM

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The 90mm cant compare to the 152mm.

Its not even a competition.

 

You crit more with the 152mm, its 99% tracks off on a hit, you will 1 shoot RHMs or close too, 1 shoot all scouts tier 7 and below and on a high roll also tier 8s.

"If you pen"...you will pen.

 

Use Only HE, skip out on AP shells, dont waste credits on premium shells, not worth it.

 

Using the 152mm you will see dmg upwards of 5k in this tank.

No other tier 8 light comes near that. But this is also the hardest tier 8 light to drive, by far.

 

90mm looks good on paper but in reality its really garbage compared to the 152. Sorry.



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The different guns give you a different playstyle.

Here is my best game with the 90mm:
http://wotreplays.eu...d-baldrickk-t49

While I had some nice targets to shoot, targets like the rear of the JgPzE100 still took HEAT to penetrate.

In most of my 90mm games, I focused on spotting and tracking.
The gun was accurate and fast at aiming enough to easily target tracks, by spotting then tracking targets at range or as they came round corners, you could generate quite a bit of XP.
In this way, the T49 with 90mm makes a good support tank. It plays effectively this way as unlike most other light tanks, the 90mm HEP is effective at removing tracks on the first hit most of the time.

With the 152 you can take on a more offensive role.
The snapshots you could do with the 90mm are no longer possible, but you do have large alpha potential, stealth and high speed.
This comes together to make you a good ambusher - one of the best tactics is to get to a good location early and just wait for the enemy to come to you.  When they do, you fire a (fully aimed) shot and vanish.
Indeed, the shoot and scoot playstyle is generally what you want to be doing when engaging in this tank. The long reload isn't a problem, as you should be using that time to hide, relocate and flank which allows you to pop up elsewhere and deal more damage.

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Well like I said in the other thread, I'm switching between the two because the 152 is so frustrating. With the 90mm though you must very much bear in mind that if you are close to being an inferior Ru-251. So make use of the better depression and slightly better dispersion stats (not sure on the last one 100%). And use the HESH whenever you can, because with that DPM you can wreck everything.

Juppe91 #16 Posted 13 November 2014 - 12:01 PM

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So far having good results with 90mm,only at the back of an tortoise i had to switch to heat.

I will try the 152mm because DERP. :teethhappy:



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I think it would have been better with a standard 90mm available to it.  Something along the lines of the T20's/Pershing's.

 

 



Somnorila #18 Posted 24 March 2015 - 02:43 AM

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I'm grinding towards the 152mm and i have to say it drives me mad this 90mm piece of crapwith its crap ammo options. Before playing it i was thinking that HEP will be very strong but i'm disappointed, AP would had been a lot better even if the max damage would had been smaller.  

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View PostSomnorila, on 24 March 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

I'm grinding towards the 152mm and i have to say it drives me mad this 90mm piece of crapwith its crap ammo options. Before playing it i was thinking that HEP will be very strong but i'm disappointed, AP would had been a lot better even if the max damage would had been smaller.  

 

vs other scouts the HEP is strong vs sides of glass cannons very strong also.. everything else needs HEAT.

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only problem is that HEAT costs 4k per shot and really struggles getting through tracks.

 

152mm is the only way to play it.






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