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HundeWurst #1 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:00 PM

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hi yeah thats my question!

 

does it have any armor? nope!

does it have an incredible gun (tiger 1 style)? nope!

does it have many hp? nope!

does it have very good mobility? nope?

 

the only thing till now i could see beeing good is the track traverse as well as the reverse speed...

 

but why is it so bad maybe you know?



Addicus #2 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:03 PM

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Plus they have all those white surrender flags in back... :hiding:

boukk #3 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:08 PM

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View PostAddicus, on 28 October 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

Plus they have all those white surrender flags in back... :hiding:

 

Hey 1990s called, and they want their old crappy jokes back.

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View PostHundeWurst, on 28 October 2014 - 11:00 PM, said:

hi yeah thats my question!

 

does it have any armor? nope!

does it have an incredible gun (tiger 1 style)? nope!

does it have many hp? nope!

does it have very good mobility? nope?

 

the only thing till now i could see beeing good is the track traverse as well as the reverse speed...

 

but why is it so bad maybe you know?

 

WG doesn't give a hoot about the french tree, and because of this people do not play this tree, and when you ask the devs why they don't do crapabout it, they ll answer you that it is because no one play the french tree, catch 22.

HundeWurst #5 Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:25 PM

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View Postboukk, on 28 October 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

 

WG doesn't give a hoot about the french tree, and because of this people do not play this tree, and when you ask the devs why they don't do crapabout it, they ll answer you that it is because no one play the french tree, catch 22.

 

welll...

 

the t6 is ok... t7 crap... t8 nice... t9 crap... t10 good



EddieTheTrooper #6 Posted 29 October 2014 - 12:50 AM

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ARL 44 i ridiculously OP, and I don't even have it fully upgraded yet.
M4 45 tho... can you mount the 105 and spam gold on this tank ? If so then mount the 105 and spam gold

 



Pansenmann #7 Posted 29 October 2014 - 01:04 AM

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It is not the tank you know...

French tanks are special and imho one of the most demanding lines to play.

 

If you can make german language work (sorry, still haven't finished translating)

here is the official french tank lobby guide to the AMX M4 1945

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/348659-amx-m4-mle45-%e2%80%93-der-franzosenlobby-guide/



V1P3RR #8 Posted 29 October 2014 - 04:23 AM

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OP should just search the forums for the "remove autoloaders" , "french tanks are OP , nerf NAO!" threads...

jaapdebal #9 Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:14 AM

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I had no problems with the AMX m4 45.. Just use it as a sniper tank, because you dont have the armour for close combat. Its mobility is ok in my opinion..

Cobra6 #10 Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:39 AM

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The AMX M4 45 looks cool, that is the only advantage that tank has.

 

In all other respects it's a failed Tiger II rip-off with none of the good points.

 

Free-xp the thing or suffer through it, the AMX100 will be one of the most awesome tanks you'll ever drive.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 29 October 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

The AMX M4 45 looks cool, that is the only advantage that tank has.

 

In all other respects it's a failed Tiger II rip-off with none of the good points.

 

Free-xp the thing or suffer through it, the AMX100 will be one of the most awesome tanks you'll ever drive.

 

Cobra 6

 

Pretty much what I did, played 20 games or so with the thing and was like "nope" and free XP the rest of it.

 

Worst tier 7 heavy, miles behind the T29, Tigers, and IS, and somehow even worse than the BP.

 

I have no doubt that it is entirely this rubbish because the 50 100 is above it and that is a tank a lot of people want. 

 

M4 45 has no armour, even on the turret, over-matchable side armour, bad gun handling, average speed, below average HP, poor DPM. 

 

It has two ok things, good gun depression (which the BP and T29 also have, plus they have turrets that can actually bounce) plus decent penetration but as it's the same gun as the ARL gets so whilst it was very high penetration on tier 6, it's about 5% better than the Tigers and the T29, this advantage is negligible.

 

You have a heavy tank that is not able to get hit and yet to hit anyone you have to sit still aiming at them for 3 seconds. 



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View PostHundeWurst, on 28 October 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

does it have any armor? nope!

does it have an incredible gun (tiger 1 style)? nope!

does it have many hp? nope!

does it have very good mobility? nope?

 

the only thing till now i could see beeing good is the track traverse as well as the reverse speed...

 

but why is it so bad maybe you know?

 

I take it you are referring to the tier 7 heavy the AMX M4 45, well a few things I would like to point out firstly it is brilliant at what it is good at.  It does have a brilliant gun in fact it has brilliant selection of guns.

 

 

They are accurate decent aim time great pen, good damage & not bad reload time. It also has good gun depression. The thing is not all tanks play as their class suggests within all classifications there are different play styles. This isn't a brawling heavy as a traditional say IS or T29 is.

 

It's mobility is more than adequate, traverse speed, power to weight & possibility, as it isn't a traditional front line brawling heavy it doesn't need to get anywhere too quickly & it isn't a Black Prince........

 

That said it does have suitable armour for it's purpose a 2nd line sniping support that has hit points & some armor.

 

All tanks play differently and some are easy to get to grips with I really enjoy the French heavies from tier 5 onwards.

 


Edited by Jigzy84, 29 October 2014 - 09:26 AM.


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Filling me with hope......

 

I'm about to get into the BDR on my quest to the AMX 50 100. Is the M4 45 that bad?



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View PostCptLewb, on 28 October 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Filling me with hope......

 

I'm about to get into the BDR on my quest to the AMX 50 100. Is the M4 45 that bad?

 

not in my opinion, it's actually quite good just in a different way the pay style needs to be different, it isn't a brawler, it can brawl if needed but you don't want to play that way.

 

Capable of dealing lots of damage & good win ratio's



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View PostCptLewb, on 29 October 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

Filling me with hope......

 

I'm about to get into the BDR on my quest to the AMX 50 100. Is the M4 45 that bad?

 

In my opinion yes.

 

Very bad, very team dependant and largely frustrating because in 99% of engagements one of the other tier 7 heavies will do a vastly better job. 

 

BDR is very good though for tier, ARL seems to have a bad rep but I liked it and the 50100 is well the 50100 and has the potential to dominate games but takes a while to get used to.

 

M4 45 is a tank that lacks any synergy in it's stats. There is nothing you there you can string together into any sort of role for the tank. 



Rincew1nd #16 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:11 AM

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AMX M4 is underwhelming, but worth playing, since it's followed by autoloading French tanks, which are all quite strong. And if you play AMX M4 as it's supposed to be played, it's not that bad. But too many people (including me) went with the idea that it's a heavy tank and it should be front line while failing miserably.

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View PostEddieTheTrooper, on 29 October 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

ARL 44 i ridiculously OP, and I don't even have it fully upgraded yet.
 

 

 

You are clearly on crack.


ARL is paper, they can shoot though your turret front no problem.

And the DCA90 is pure troll.



mad0mat #18 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:26 AM

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Hated that thing. Worst tank for being top tier I ever played in this game. You are not suitable to be in first line, taking hits and brawling because of no armour, but you are bad as second line too because that top gun is just terrible and only thing about it is pen. Best suited in tier 8 game, playing like td. Suffer through it and your reward will be awesome AMX 50 100. Well maybe M4 do one thing right - it shows you that French higher tier heavy tanks aren't really heavy tanks.

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Solstad1069 #19 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:28 AM

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All French heavy tanks are support tanks and needs special treatment.

AMX 50 100 is a very good tank but also a very tricky one. Every time i see the AMX 50 100 rush to the hill on Himmelsdorf as a top tier heavy you

know he has missed the point with the tank completely. One mag and 4 hits later and he is back in the garage wondering what went wrong.



ApocalypseSquad #20 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:32 AM

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Mid way through the grind, and finding it....OK.., but no more than that.  After the excellent ARL, it is a big disappointment...




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