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Solstad1069 #21 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:32 AM

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View PostOneSock, on 29 October 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

 

You are clearly on crack.


ARL is paper, they can shoot though your turret front no problem.

And the DCA90 is pure troll.

 

As you said if you know this tank just shoot the turret like those Churchills. And you can just throw a rock at the ARL and one crew member will die.

Its like they all sit in the open.



AN225 #22 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:33 AM

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AMX M4 45 - 68 games with 87% win rate

 

So you could say I know what I am doing in it.

 

Yes you may be called a heavy tank, but that is only in his name. Forget about it, don't rely on his armor, ever.

You are a 2nd line support tank, follow one heavily armored tank and "snipe" behind him.

 

You can't afford to stay in open for long, so you need to hit hard. (Plus, dealing high alpha makes people scared to come at you if you are alone)

Only viable gun for that is 105 with gold.

Not because of pen, but because of more dmg, AP hits for 300 while gold does 330.

If WG was kind to offer you to buy more dmg, use it.

 

Now to be honest, I never played this tank solo, as with every support tank it is hard to carry games in it.

I played it in platoon with 1-2 IS-6 tanks. (This also means i never had been top tier, all games were t8 or t9)

They were in front trolling with armor, while i just racked up dmg from behind and covered their backs.

You could do it with every random heavy tank of course, just having a friend is more consistent.

 

side note:

To all other who asked about bdr and arl.

These two tanks are really good, but as with every french tank, they require some good knowledge about them.

bdr scored me 71% wins and arl 63%, with these two being played purely solo.

bdr plays same as amx m4, while arl can troll with his armor.



Salvothegamer #23 Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:35 AM

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Play the AMX M4 54 with the 90mm gun not the 105mm and you have good Dpm, aimtime and decent pen (whoever can not work with 170 pen at t7 should really not play in high(er)tier :/ ) with good accuracy.

The gundepression is epic, and if you are hulldown the turret can troll quite a bit.

Since many people think the tank is weak and its not very common and you now play it with a different gun most ppl use they are in for a suprise when they meet you in battle and you can use your brain to pick of every tank at t7/t8 you want.

The AMX is very fast and a great alrounder, something which most t7s lack.

Tank is not UP, others are just stronger, T29 borderline OP, Tiger DpM is retarded and IS has insanely fast reload for the gun it has too imo.



Blaaat #24 Posted 29 October 2014 - 11:10 AM

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The AMX M4 is  slightly below average tank in a tier where most heavies are OP.

Vestrick64 #25 Posted 29 October 2014 - 11:16 AM

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Hts of tier 7-8 are generally OP. But yeah, this one isn't. it's pretty crap.

Sparrowbird101 #26 Posted 29 October 2014 - 04:05 PM

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I liked the AMX M4 45.  Definitely a second line support/sniper tank.  You can't rely on armour on any of the high tier french tanks.  It might bounce a couple of shots, if you're lucky.

I used the 90mm to get used to the gun before the 50 100's autoloader version (and before you go on about my 50 100 stats I point out that I played the majority of its games in team battles as it's a popular choice for that mode, I like that tank too).

I wouldn't suggest free xp to skip the tank at all.  But that's just me.



Valvalecia #27 Posted 29 October 2014 - 05:47 PM

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View PostOneSock, on 29 October 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

You are clearly on crack.


ARL is paper, they can shoot though your turret front no problem.

And the DCA90 is pure troll.

 

'cause your supposed to use the F3. And the armor is pretty troll imo.

Ewokgod #28 Posted 30 October 2014 - 01:55 AM

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As a second-line sniper, the Tiger is better for RoF and DPM. Also, the game makes sniping difficult with view-range restrictions, bumpy terrain and the simple fact that every time WG redraws a map, they punctuate the landscape with buildings/rocks/hills/ridges every 150m.

If you are top tier, you have to take the lead. Why is a tier 6 HT going to lead the push when he sees you behind him? So you go forward and try to trade HP for position. Its not the way you should play the tank, but sometimes you just have to do it.

I just finished with it 2 months or so ago, using the 105mm and the DCA90. Even got a Steel Wall out of it.  Horrible winrate, hated every minute in it.

Would have tried the F3 gun, but too many tier9s in my games to be comfortable.

And word to the wise, the thing is an arty magnet. I used to play the S-51(T6) before the arty nerf, flinging 1800 dam shots at tier 9s and 10s. Tank in the open? Aim... Fire... reposition... Look for new target. The ONLY time I ever felt guilty about playing arty was when the message came up "XXXX (AMX M4) killed."



boukk #29 Posted 30 October 2014 - 02:39 AM

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View PostValvalecia, on 29 October 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

 

'cause your supposed to use the F3. And the armor is pretty troll imo.

 

the armor is only troll for the driver.

boukk #30 Posted 30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM

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As for amx m4, huge, no armor , average mobility , terribad dpm (unless you use gold without top gun), terrible gun soft stat, the only thing it has going is decent pen.

 

People that are saying it s good are on crack, period, everyone will get better stat on any of the other T7 tanks.



Campyy #31 Posted 30 October 2014 - 02:44 AM

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AMX M4 is so awesome




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