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Community #1 Posted 03 November 2014 - 12:24 PM

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We continue our Nation Overview – this week, USSR, France, UK and Japan!

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wsatnutter #2 Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

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nice read cheers

FeniEnt #3 Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:18 PM

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"The general characteristics of this nation are (...) excellent penetration values"

Chi-Ri.



PoIestar #4 Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:46 PM

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Is there no respect for the T-150 to IS-4 line? The things you said are only for the KV-1S to IS-7 line. Although, generous health pools... You're mixing things up I suppose.

dysje #5 Posted 03 November 2014 - 03:38 PM

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Overviews like this don't make much sense I think, it's obvious how every nation experimented with a lot of tank designs and roles and that the nations with more tanks now have multiple heavy, medium, light and TD lines that have completely different properties, behavior and purpose behind them. Take a look at the Su-101 line, then read this article again; it won't make any sense anymore. Same thing applies to USA autoloaders and not to mention the upcoming UK TD line that has no armor to speak of. Same thing happens on the USSR heavy line too. Mediocre mobility? That (entire!) IS line is surprisingly mobile and fast compared to other heavies in the game. And there's a lot more where that came from.

 

I mean, I get it. There are exceptions to the rule as the article states in the 'disclaimer', but an exception should be a few tanks, not entire lines that are completely different, because then the most of the article only makes sense for less than 50% of said tanks and it really loses it's effectiveness.

 

Perhaps the overview should be split up between the different schools of thought displayed per tank line on top of just nation.



Vandheer_Lorde #6 Posted 03 November 2014 - 03:56 PM

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Tank lines cant be generalized like this. Each vehicle is different from the other.

TuckerLT #7 Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:46 PM

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HAHAHA whis is a joke right? Why to bother with such crap, when there is one answer for your troubles: Use OP russian tanks.

FeniEnt #8 Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:55 PM

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View PostTuckerLT, on 03 November 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

HAHAHA whis is a joke right? Why to bother with such crap, when there is one answer for your troubles: Use OP russian tanks.

 

USRR tanks are in no way OP, you would know that if you actually played them.

KubiG5655 #9 Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:56 PM

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Although I really like these new articles (very nicely done, although sometimes too much general, like others said), like all the other game mechanics articles, it has one major flaw:

 

It is just an article.

In the first article, it is said, as I understood it,  that main idea is to help new / not much experienced players choose the nation they will enjoy the most, and/or help them better undestand the game -> play better.

 

But who will be reading it? In one week, it will get lost forever in history of articles, where no one new will be ever looking. There isn't even any search button on the web. The first article is lost already this way...

Why not put all these articles somewhere where they could be accesed permanently? Like attaching them to the main website, for example: "Game" -> "Tank Academy" button, or into newcomer's guide? ... :great:



Pansenmann #10 Posted 03 November 2014 - 09:51 PM

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Quote

 you may encounter exceptions

 

poor AMX 40 :sad:

Apathel #11 Posted 03 November 2014 - 10:02 PM

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View PostKubiG5655, on 03 November 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

Although I really like these new articles (very nicely done, although sometimes too much general, like others said), like all the other game mechanics articles, it has one major flaw:

 

It is just an article.

In the first article, it is said, as I understood it,  that main idea is to help new / not much experienced players choose the nation they will enjoy the most, and/or help them better undestand the game -> play better.

 

But who will be reading it? In one week, it will get lost forever in history of articles, where no one new will be ever looking. There isn't even any search button on the web. The first article is lost already this way...

Why not put all these articles somewhere where they could be accesed permanently? Like attaching them to the main website, for example: "Game" -> "Tank Academy" button, or into newcomer's guide? ... :great:

 

Actually, the article series is meant to be a long term commitment, with new episodes being published every two weeks (during the week in-between the Top of the Tree specials). As such, we expect the series to build the community's awareness and recognition progressively with every new article. 

 

I do agree that the lack of a search option on the website makes it kind of difficult to find specific articles, but please mind that this series has been dedicated an entire category in order to make it easier for you to find individual topics (you can see the tag 'Tank Academy' next to 'Discuss on Forum'  right under the article's title). If you click on the category link, you will be redirected to the appropriate sub-section, where you can browse only the related articles :blinky:

 

It is possible that in the future we will find an effective way of integrating the articles in the game client itself, and so making it easier to access for everyone. However, for now the solution of having a dedicated category for the TA series should work too :smile:



Dexter5021 #12 Posted 03 November 2014 - 11:19 PM

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View PostCommunity, on 03 November 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Soviet SPGs: in general, Soviet SPGs retain a well balance between accuracy and damage potential through most of the tiers. However, high-tier vehicles tend to shift more towards greater alpha damage. Most Soviet SPGs also distinguish themselves by sporting a high firing arc – this means that their shells rise relatively high in the air and then fall on the target. This means that in many cases, they can hit an enemy hiding behind relatively big forms of cover.

 

Most of the russian arty guns have low firing arc... :facepalm:

lalikiraly666 #13 Posted 03 November 2014 - 11:53 PM

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View PostFeniEnt, on 03 November 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

USRR tanks are in no way OP, you would know that if you actually played them.

 

i did. all the way from T5 up they are op... kv-1, kv-1s, kv-85 (cool from the one op kv-1s now we have 2), is3, is7 all op... but i could mention the medium tree too with the same reason

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Soviet heavy tanks and generous HP pools.

 



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View Postlalikiraly666, on 03 November 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

i did. all the way from T5 up they are op... kv-1, kv-1s, kv-85 (cool from the one op kv-1s now we have 2), is3, is7 all op... but i could mention the medium tree too with the same reason

 

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loukdelouk #16 Posted 04 November 2014 - 03:10 PM

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View PostApathel, on 03 November 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

 

 

It is possible that in the future we will find an effective way of integrating the articles in the game client itself, and so making it easier to access for everyone. However, for now the solution of having a dedicated category for the TA series should work too :smile:

 

This. The intro to each nation should be available in-game to the newcomer. Some basic info there could be valuable for the tanker. These could even take the form of a questionnaire, which could subsequently point the newcomer to some tank classes, or nations, or particular vehicles that he could consider trying out. I'm not suggesting this is easy, but I think it would be worthwhile.

 

For instance, a friend of mine that started recently "managed" to pick up Japanese and second German TD line as two of the three lines he's started with. Needless to say, his performances are not exactly excellent. An in-game guide could have help him make a more informed decision.



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View Postlalikiraly666, on 03 November 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

i did. all the way from T5 up they are op... kv-1, kv-1s, kv-85 (cool from the one op kv-1s now we have 2), is3, is7 all op... but i could mention the medium tree too with the same reason

 

You didn't mention the normal IS, WONDER WHY! 

You didn't mention the IS-8, WONDER WHY!

 

IS-3 is best true heavy in tier, no comment.

IS-7 is just an average one trick pony, it's good in limited situations,  there's better more versatile  tanks on tier 10.

 

 

View PostLoekie5500, on 03 November 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

 Although, generous health pools... You're mixing things up I suppose.

 

There's exactly 3 tanks that I can think of that have average or above  health-pools across both USSR lines. 

KV-3 (1400, a whopping 75 more than the average for it's tier, I believe... ) KV-4 ( High) and IS-4 ( Average ) 

The rest all have less than the average if not the least in their tier. I don't remember if the IS-8 has a normal healthpool, it probably does. but the rest of the heavies.... yeah...

KV-3 catches fire all the time, it might as well have less healthpoints than the IS. 

 

In before they correct the text but add ''soviet medium tanks have above average penetration'' instead. 

 


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View PostNadeah, on 04 November 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

There's exactly 3 tanks that I can think of that have average or above  health-pools across both USSR lines. 

But the KV-1S - IS-7 line has under-average health pools, all of them. (apart from KV-1S and KV-85, because reasons)

 

They almost reach French levels of HP.

 

You call that generous?



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View PostLoekie5500, on 04 November 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

But the KV-1S - IS-7 line has under-average health pools, all of them. (apart from KV-1S and KV-85, because reasons)

 

They almost reach French levels of HP.

 

You call that generous?

 

What? I was confirming the fact that the USSR has below average health-pools almost across the board in almost all tiers, why are you seemingly  implying I insinuated otherwise? 

KV-85, was beyond my knowledge, I never played the KV-1S and will never play the KV-85 most likely, I got into the Heavy lines with the T-150 and KV-13 


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