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Community #1 Posted 11 November 2014 - 01:50 PM

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Ulfhedinn_ #2 Posted 11 November 2014 - 01:57 PM

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Excellent piece, ty.


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JuanCudz #3 Posted 11 November 2014 - 02:37 PM

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Surprised Challenger didn't mention the train carriage given a big mention, was burned on Hitler's orders after the Armistice of 1940 was signed.

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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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I will let a Mod deal with this- but before they step in a quick word, if you consider honouring and remembering the millions of men women and children that died as a result of this as "bull" then seriously words fail me. 

Ulfhedinn_ #5 Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:45 PM

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View PostJuanCudz, on 11 November 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Surprised Challenger didn't mention the train carriage given a big mention, was burned on Hitler's orders after the Armistice of 1940 was signed.

 

Actually he didn't have it burnt, he had it blown up - with what the French would call, a 'burm'.

 

I also vaguely remember reading something about him having it sent to Berlin as a trophy, although that might have been something else.

 

Here's an interesting fact, by the end of WW1 the British had manufactured 2,500 tanks, the Germans had only manufactured 20. The reason being from late 1914 the Germans were mostly defending, the Brit's were mostly attacking. The Brit's invented and mass produced the tank in the hope it would reduce the enormous casualties incurred in almost every attack. It's a weird thing that tanks were invented to save lives more than they were invented to take them.


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Ulfhedinn_ #6 Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:25 PM

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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

totally disrespectful stuff

 

Just noticed you are your Clan's Diplomat, but still making way out of order comments like this in front of the WOT's EU player base? Not going to make people think well of your Clan, messaged your Commander with a link :-)

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CountOfTuscany #7 Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:29 PM

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View PostMaxmk6, on 11 November 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Here's an interesting fact, by the end of WW1 the British had manufactured 2,500 tanks, the Germans had only manufactured 20. The reason being from late 1914 the Germans were mostly defending, the Brit's were mostly attacking. The Brit's invented and mass produced the tank in the hope it would reduce the enormous casualties incurred in almost every attack. It's a weird thing that tanks were invented to save lives more than they were invented to take them.

 

The Germans did enough of attacking in early '18. The reason why the Germans hadn't manufactured many tanks is the result of different interests by the German officers. I think at the end of the war the major amount of tanks the Germans had at their disposal was of Allied origin, ie captured.



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Yep, they did have a huge offensive in 1918, in the hope of snatching a victory asap & before the Yanks turned up. They only knew though that they'd be able to do that late 1917 once Russia had come to terms (as Challenger describes in his article) and freed up their Eastern front troops, and by then it was too late for them to develop new tech or to mass produce it to support their new all out offense. Also I guess tanks were peculiarly a British thing because it's a mirror of their Imperial strategy - didn't have enough people to have a big standing army policing the Empire, so they had a stronk Navy, huge warships - machines instead of huge numbers of men to assert their authority via Gunboat diplomacy. Tanks were just an extension of that thinking onto land (and originally championed by the Royal Navy as landships rather than by the army). Germany on the other hand was just all about having the biggest army possible.

 

There will be some good documentaries on TV tonight :-)



GeorCa #9 Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:37 PM

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Thanks Challenger for great article. I think today is good day to stop, think and say "thank you" everybody who did something and also give tribute to them who gave everything.

 

Greetings from Czech Republic

 


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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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Honestly, if a computer game concerns you more than the people who fought, and others who gave their lives for your freedom then you honestly need to get in touch with reality

Jammci #11 Posted 11 November 2014 - 06:21 PM

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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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I find this extremely offensive to put it mildly, my family lost 3 members in the First World War, and you are complaining about a couple of bugs in the game. That is highly disrespectful and you should be ashamed of this, if you want to troll go somewhere else, as men who are a lot better and braver than you died fighting for the freedoms you enjoy today and by decrying something commemorating them as [edited] is such a cowardly thing to do.

 

Thank you Challenger for a good article on an event which had lasting repercussions for most of the 20th century.

pedejo #12 Posted 11 November 2014 - 07:32 PM

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First things first:Thank you The Challenger for the commemoration.

 

Secondly:My my great great grandfather got shot it would have been in the heart if not for his wallet with some coins in it,he survived the whole war and got a medal of honour

 

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Greetings from Belgium !



CountOfTuscany #13 Posted 11 November 2014 - 07:41 PM

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View PostMaxmk6, on 11 November 2014 - 05:01 PM, said:

Yep, they did have a huge offensive in 1918, in the hope of snatching a victory asap & before the Yanks turned up. They only knew though that they'd be able to do that late 1917 once Russia had come to terms (as Challenger describes in his article) and freed up their Eastern front troops, and by then it was too late for them to develop new tech or to mass produce it to support their new all out offense. Also I guess tanks were peculiarly a British thing because it's a mirror of their Imperial strategy - didn't have enough people to have a big standing army policing the Empire, so they had a stronk Navy, huge warships - machines instead of huge numbers of men to assert their authority via Gunboat diplomacy. Tanks were just an extension of that thinking onto land (and originally championed by the Royal Navy as landships rather than by the army). Germany on the other hand was just all about having the biggest army possible.

 

 

Yep, the Germans could really use the men from the Eastern front to fight on the Western front. I actually consider it quite a feet what the Germans managed to accomplish with infantry in early '18. Everything was a major slugfest from '14/'15 to '17, but in '18 the Germans managed to advance with just infantry (ok, new infantry tactics, Sturmtruppen etc, but still impressive I think. I still want to read Rommels book about it).

 

Tanks being part of the Royal Navy is kind of funny allthough it's also logical: dreadnoughts and tanks are both big steel behemoths in their respectively fields of combat.

 

I'm not so sure if the Germans were really into having the biggest army in 1918 anymore. I think the decision to use or don't use tanks is largely dependent on the commanders. Conservative military commanders weren't fans of this new armour-thingie. The Brits had trouble with it (I think they might have fielded tanks earlier in the war and more effectively), but I think the Germans had even more conservative military leaders.



Ulfhedinn_ #14 Posted 11 November 2014 - 08:13 PM

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The actual German troops did amazingly well throughout the War and particularly in the 1918 offensive. I saw a documentary on it, apparently it was their Generals got it wrong, when they broke through instead of taking defended strategic objectives that would have slowed their advance down, they just fanned out into open country, took a lot of ground but without any point to it, got contained and rolled back. There's some ace documentaries on the History channels. There was one last week about WW1 tanks (how I suddenly know so much about it) :-)



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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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And who are you,insignificant [edited],to say this is [edited],so for you the live or the heroic death of those brave men on both sides of the war was just a [edited]???How can one be so disrespectful?!?


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BERLIN_19451945 #16 Posted 11 November 2014 - 08:58 PM

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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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See this Paddle Of Rebuke? It's a special one. Just for you, you utter chimp. You Sir, are a total and utter [edited], sod off......


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lnfernaI #17 Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:19 PM

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Can i get a free Mark IVto commemorate?

Or The Old Gang I* (TOG I*)?


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daz606 #18 Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:47 PM

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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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24 years old, born in 1990. What the hell do you know?

While you were literally shitting your nappy I was fighting in Iraq.


 

Now find the proper thread for your whining, little boy.


 


 


 



CountOfTuscany #19 Posted 11 November 2014 - 10:22 PM

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View PostMaxmk6, on 11 November 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

The actual German troops did amazingly well throughout the War and particularly in the 1918 offensive. I saw a documentary on it, apparently it was their Generals got it wrong, when they broke through instead of taking defended strategic objectives that would have slowed their advance down, they just fanned out into open country, took a lot of ground but without any point to it, got contained and rolled back. There's some ace documentaries on the History channels. There was one last week about WW1 tanks (how I suddenly know so much about it) :-)

 

Ok, I'll see if I can check some of that History Channel stuff. I'm interested now :)

 

Actually, the way how the Allies used armor to get a break and a breakthrough afterwards is kind of interesting. I think (iirc )they developed some tactics in which the Mark series of tanks were used to produce a break. Once the break got the breakthrough Whippets were used to gain terrain.



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View Posthallokevin, on 11 November 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

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Why is this still posted and the user not perma banned.. Utterly disgusting.


 


 






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