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Danzq #1 Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:49 AM

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Someone pls explain this to me. Could not find any information how this is possible:

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Overall wn8 = 1625 according to my mod + wotlabs + noobmeter but...

 

Overall for wn8 the mathematical avarage for those games would be 2551,57. Clearly the stat padding guides and wn8 wikis are not entirely correct!


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cpt_gandy #2 Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:54 AM

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It depends on the tank you are driving, some require a lot of damage to be done for each battle while others dont need a great deal, If you have a few battles where you dont do a great amount of damage it will keep your wn8 lower.

 

This website will help you know the amount of damage you will need to do in each battle for a better wn8

http://www.targetdamage.com/nations/



h3dning #3 Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:57 AM

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http://wotlabs.net/na/wnTable

 



Dis4ster #4 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:03 PM

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Guys you dont understand him, his problem is the average WN8 for the game session is 1625 but has to be 2551(battle 1+2+3+4+5/5)

 

I don't get it too, already mentioned it in the german P-Mod Thread, got no clear answer.


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Danzq #5 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:08 PM

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View Postcpt_gandy, on 22 November 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

It depends on the tank you are driving, some require a lot of damage to be done for each battle while others dont need a great deal, If you have a few battles where you dont do a great amount of damage it will keep your wn8 lower.

 

This website will help you know the amount of damage you will need to do in each battle for a better wn8

http://www.targetdamage.com/nations/

 

I get this... But look at the avarage wn8 for the total game session (1625). According to all tables out there and any information given it should be 2551. Go ahead - calculate it from the picture I gave you.

cpt_gandy #6 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:23 PM

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View PostDanzq, on 22 November 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

I get this... But look at the avarage wn8 for the total game session (1625). According to all tables out there and any information given it should be 2551. Go ahead - calculate it from the picture I gave you.

 

The other thing to take in to account is there could be an issue with the math behind the session mod you use, none are perfect but if the mod has issues adding up then you really need to contact the mod developer or choose a different session mod.

 

To me it looks like the wn8 figure in your screen shots is your wn7 figure based on your wn8 being 2551. For me and my current games today my session stats say i have a wn8 of 2563 and a wn7 of 1627 over 11 battles.



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View PostBeatiful_Rage, on 22 November 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

Yes. The tables are correct. My problem is with the overall wn8 for the whole game session/account. Can you explain that?

Danzq #8 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:24 PM

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View Postcpt_gandy, on 22 November 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

 

The other thing to take in to account is there could be an issue with the math behind the session mod you use, none are perfect but if the mod has issues adding up then you really need to contact the mod developer or choose a different session mod.

 

To me it looks like the wn8 figure in your screen shots is your wn7 figure based on your wn8 being 2551. For me and my current games today my session stats say i have a wn8 of 2563 and a wn7 of 1627 over 11 battles.

 

The numbers I get from the mod in game match the numbers in wotlabs and noobmeter.

Danzq #9 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:28 PM

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Also to mention. I played only ELC for one whole day in total of 67 games with the session overall wn8 4,2k and my account overall wn8 went up by 2,1 only. That was the first thing that got me wondering. Normally a 67 game session with tier 10 tanks wn8 2k+ will raise my account wn8 with 5+.

 

Clearly tier does matter. T10 games weight way more in the avarage wn8 but no one is able to explain this or how it's calculated.



cpt_gandy #10 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:35 PM

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Just got this from the wn wiki so it could be you bringing your wn8 down to a lower number.

 

http://wiki.wnefficiency.net/pages/WN8

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 Heavy play in a single tank – This makes WN8 work less well, because some folks will play so many games in a single tank that their account WN8 begins to approach the values for that single tank. But WN8 was formulated around whole accounts, not single tanks and while there is an assumption for playing a variety of tanks, that assumption is much weaker than in WN7 and prior ratings. At some point, someone can play enough games in a single tank to “break” the normalization assumptions of WN8. How many games is enough to break it? We have not conducted a formal analysis, but as a rule of thumb, wewould suggest that if someone has more than 50% of the games on their account in a single tank, it might be enough to make WN8 invalid. But as a reminder, it is OK to play a tank you like for thousands upon thousands of games. WN8 isn’t “penalizing” you if you do so, it just makes it hard to compare your account to everyone else’s account. We cannot account for all the outliers!

 

 



Danzq #11 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:38 PM

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View Postcpt_gandy, on 22 November 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

Just got this from the wn wiki so it could be you bringing your wn8 down to a lower number.

 

http://wiki.wnefficiency.net/pages/WN8

 

 

I dont think that's the case. I have 135 games with ELC and 4 753 in total with various tanks.



Danzq #12 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:44 PM

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Clearly all the guides and info we have on stat padding are all wrong. I've been looking for the answer everywhere.

cpt_gandy #13 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:52 PM

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One of the things i plan to do after christmas is to re visit all my older tganks i dont play and bring any that have a winrate under 50% to 50% as from what i read that would be the best thing to bring my wn8 up to a better level as some tanks i just dont get on with that well and others i have played before i started to really learn to play the game.

 

If what they are saying in that wiki page is true that your wn8 is based on your account and how it compares to others then that is the best option for me to improve my winrate with out the need to do insane statpadding. So for me im keeping my wn8 lower not due to my current gameplay but my past game play.



SenpaiErick #14 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:58 PM

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Overall session statistics also account for your session winrate and average tier, compared to your overall results. Your session WR% was very low, that alone made for a good 200-300 points of penalty. In addition, the high-tier games you played raised your average tier quite high, 7.81 if I'm seeing correctly. For that tier, combined 0.88 kills is bad and 1800 dam is very good, so you got ranked WN8 1625. Had you only stuck to ELC, in tier 5, these stats would indeed have given you WN8 around 4000 (probably a little less due to bad WR%).

Basically, you can't have bad games in high tiers. It will destroy your averages. The statistical weight of bad T10 games is just that much bigger when put up against extremely good tier 5 games.

 

Funnily enough, if you have very good games in Tier 10 and some bad games in Tier 5, I believe it might even raise your average WN8 due to session average tier falling significantly.


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Dr_LoVe69_makesWoTgreat #15 Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:59 PM

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View PostDanzq, on 22 November 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

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Did you used your phone to make a screenshot? :ohmy:


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Danzq #16 Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:06 PM

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View Postedger2020, on 22 November 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

 

Did you used your phone to make a screenshot? :ohmy:

 

Haha lol. Yes :hiding: Posted it via whatsapp to my elite wot friends first who were unable to answer.

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View PosterickHV, on 22 November 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

 

 

This is what I expected too. However there's nothing official to support this.

 

If I had stuck with ELC it would have shown me a nice unicum wn8 for the session but in the end that would have weight very little in my accounts overall wn8. Stat padding is a myth! I will sell my ELC and stick to t10 tanks if I really want to improve my stats.

 

Seems like the best way to pad your stats is to get a very low dmg expected t10 tank and roll with that.



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I wonder about this too sometimes, the amount of 3k WN8 games that rise my total WN8 differs ie. I get less increase on low tier vehicles despite bigger numbers.


I guess it's a good idea but it is very confusing.



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View PostDanzq, on 22 November 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

 

Haha lol. Yes :hiding: Posted it via whatsapp to my elite wot friends first who were unable to answer.

 

Me baddie, I totally forgot about those Android apps. :hiding:



Valvalecia #20 Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:38 PM

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That because overall wn8 isn't just average wn8 of the played games.




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