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Kantti #1 Posted 28 November 2014 - 02:08 PM

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Highly important question:

 

WHEN does the clan get fame points from approach? At the moment of conquest? When Citadel is conquered? When Citadel disappears?

 

This has huge implications on gameplay and we HAVE to know the answer. For example if first case is correct, then you should aim to get citadel as fast as possible (not wasting points from approaches untill you have the citadel). Difference on what is optimal gameplay will be huge based on the answer.



Fynnegun #2 Posted 28 November 2014 - 02:26 PM

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The FPs from an approach will be credited to the clan the turn after it is captured (ownership changes).

Points are credited when owner is changed, i.e if a clan won the last battle for province at 7-30 pm, at 8pm during next turn points for capturing will be credited.

 

PS: don't forget that re-capturing such province (approach) will not provide FPs again, see point 2.2.

 

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tatabrada #3 Posted 28 November 2014 - 02:46 PM

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1. Does fights for the Citadel give any famepoints for the clan/players (multiattack tournament, battle with the owner)?

2. Does capturing the Fortress province give any famepoints to the clans/players if taking the ownership from NPC? Which players would get famepoints if there is no battle? All clan members? :)

3. How long you need to own the Citadel for geting the 4x multiplier? Is it enough to capture it few minutes before capturing a Fortress province or it need to be at least one turn before?

 


Edited by tatabrada, 28 November 2014 - 02:49 PM.


Grimbru #4 Posted 28 November 2014 - 03:09 PM

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View Posttatabrada, on 28 November 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

1. Does fights for the Citadel give any famepoints for the clan/players (multiattack tournament, battle with the owner)?

2. Does capturing the Fortress province give any famepoints to the clans/players if taking the ownership from NPC? Which players would get famepoints if there is no battle? All clan members? :)

3. How long you need to own the Citadel for geting the 4x multiplier? Is it enough to capture it few minutes before capturing a Fortress province or it need to be at least one turn before?

 

 

 

1. Ok, so for capturing a Citadel:

 

3.1. Hall of Fame mission: Fame Points earned in all the battles for a province of an existing Fortress (Citadel and Approaches) are multiplied by 1.1 (Z coefficient in the FP calculation formula)

3.2. Defiance mission: Fame Points earned in all the battles against the owner of a Citadel will be multiplied by 1.2 (Z coefficient in the FP calculation formula). In case a clan performs two secondary missions, Z coefficient = 1.3.

 

2. Bonuses for capturing a Fortress province give the standard bonuses if taking it from an NPC and this bonus is given to the Clan.

3. As Decept1on states above, the FPs from an approach will be credited to the clan the turn after it is captured (ownership changes).

Points are credited when owner is changed, i.e if a clan won the last battle for province at 7-30 pm, at 8pm during next turn points for capturing will be credited.

 

Hope this answers your questions, tatabrada :smile:

 

 



Gnomus #5 Posted 28 November 2014 - 03:24 PM

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View PostDecept1on, on 28 November 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

The FPs from an approach will be credited to the clan the turn after it is captured (ownership changes).

Points are credited when owner is changed, i.e if a clan won the last battle for province at 7-30 pm, at 8pm during next turn points for capturing will be credited.

 

PS: don't forget that re-capturing such province (approach) will not provide FPs again, see point 2.2.

 

Decept1on

 

I think this was the main point of Kantti's question, as well as Tatabradas.

 

If clan first takes hold of lets say four approaches (and only gets 1x FP's for those) and then captures citadel it can no longer get superpoints (unless those extra FP's are granted when getting citadel). Meanwhile clan that first gets one approach and then takes more approaches will get much higher FP count because they will get superpoints for most of the approaches.

 

This has huge meaning for top clans. To open up Tatabradas question little more:

To get extra points for approaches do you need to:

a) Hold Citadel on earlier day.

b) Hold Citadel on earlier turn. (Making it unwise to conquer some areas because their battles are resolved same time as Citadel, and so don't grant extra points.)

c) Hold Citadel during the turn you conquer approach. (You could conquer Citadel and Approaches same day during same turn.)

d) Hold Citadel before winning battle on Approach. (If you win Citadel battle 19:39 and Approach battle 19:42 you get points, but if you win Citadel 19:39 and Approach 19:38 you do not get extra points. Oh, and good luck quessing what battle times WG will give to different battles.)

 

a) Would be clear, but make conquring Fortresses slow. b) and c) would mean quite interesting subgame of delays and counter delays to alter turn when battle is resolved. d) would be totally stupid and up to too much random solely on when your battle is timed to start (19:39 or 19:45? Who knows?).

 

Depending what is the answer it can influence really much, because even one badly timed conquest of Approach can cost you 900k FP because that Approach "was used" before getting hold of Citadel. This is kind of information that is needed TODAY (or rather yesterday) before placing chips so clans will know if it's wise to aim at several approaches of one Citadel to maximize change of getting there or never attack more than one Approach at the time to maximize reward for taking other Approaches after taking the Citadel.

 

If these were just normal battles it would be not so much a trouble, but now a single province can mean 300-900k difference in earnings and that can't be fixed later because you can only get points once from the area. To get some perspective, the best clan got 5400k FP during whole first stage.



Kantti #6 Posted 28 November 2014 - 03:44 PM

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Yes, one important question more is, is it enough to conquer citadel on same turn with approach (let's say 7-30 pm for both) to get super bonus. On other words: in what order are changes of ownership and points done one serverside? Does it first see all conquered provinces switching owner and then scores. OR does it ownership check and fame point check happen province by province (so for example it first check the approach and only after that it check the citadel that was conquered on same turn thus giving no bonus points).

Fynnegun #7 Posted 28 November 2014 - 04:15 PM

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So I'll try to explain a bit.

 

The rules to get the x4 FP for the clan for capturing an approach is only valid when you have the citadel, no citadel, no x4; if you capture the citadel, it is not retro-active.

This means the previous approach captured will not receive the x4.

Example:

For a gold fortress, clan X attack approach A and win, the clan get 300k FP, the day after he attack the citadel B and win, the clan will not get the 900k (1.2m - 300k) retro-actively.

 

In other words, best tactic to get 1 approach, then the citadel, and then only after this, capture all other approaches.

 

@Kantii

All FPs for fortress provinces capturing will be after next turn calculation. During next turn we are changing province owner and create task for crediting if it's fortress province.
When all our regular calculation (owner changing, battles schedule, results processing and so on are past) - we're processing FP.



Kantti #8 Posted 28 November 2014 - 04:17 PM

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Thank you for swift reaction. This really cleared things up.

 

Hopefully these kind of things find their way to the rules next time. ;)



knightM #9 Posted 30 November 2014 - 01:07 PM

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There is still one unanswered question:

If you capture Citadel (center) one day and loose it next day, will you still get the multiplier for approaches captured after you lost it?

 

From my POV and from Decept1ons post I'd say that no, you have to hold citadel at the same turn as you capture the approach. Then again it doesn't say anything about "holding" anywhere in rules.


Edited by knightM, 30 November 2014 - 01:35 PM.


Fynnegun #10 Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:46 PM

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View PostknightM, on 30 November 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

There is still one unanswered question:

If you capture Citadel (center) one day and loose it next day, will you still get the multiplier for approaches captured after you lost it?

 

From my POV and from Decept1ons post I'd say that no, you have to hold citadel at the same turn as you capture the approach. Then again it doesn't say anything about "holding" anywhere in rules.

 

Sorry didn't see that one, but your assumption is correct, you need to hold the citadel to get the bonus.




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