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TsundereWaffle #1 Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:36 PM

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I'm going to build my own Gaming PC since the laptop I have now runs on sprouts and potatoes yet for some very weird reason still manages to get around 35fps on low graphics.

I'm planning on getting these parts and I want to know what you guys think of it as I'm not a big PC expert.

 

Graphics:                         GeForce GTX 760

CPU:                                 Intel i5 4690K

HSF:                                 212 Evo

Motherboard:                   ASUS M5A97 R2.0

RAM:                               8GB

HDD:                                1TB

SSD:                                128GB

Power Supply:                  Seaconic S12G-650

Case:                                Arc Midi R2

 

Other stuff

 

Screen:                             LG 22M35A

Keyboard:                         Razer Deathstalker Expert

 

This will be a total amount of €1056,50

At the moment I have around €260 to spend and I will probably be able to buy it at the end of 2015 with some luck so what do you guys think about these specs and parts and do you guys think it might be a good idea to buy a part every time i can buy one or should a wait and buy every part when I have enough money for everything?

 

Thanks for reading. -WafflePanzer-


Edited by WafflePanzer, 02 December 2014 - 06:41 PM.


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2Tee2 #3 Posted 02 December 2014 - 07:16 PM

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no idea but aint 8 gigs of ram a bit too low nowadays? for a new 1k system?

 

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didn't see you have a monitor included


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I would chose one of the AMD graphic cards. I had 3 NVidia cards and all died within a year.

I had ATI 3850 HD for 4 years and now sold it and got new R9 270x, I am really happy. + AMD is cheaper brand of graphic card witch mean you will get better card for your money.



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Sounds pretty solid. I'm building a new pc for myself after christmas with pretty much the same specs (maybe one step down with the CPU and no SSD), so if this thread is still here I can give you some reference as to what kind of performance you could expect from it.

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22" monitor is way WAY too small for a gaming grade computer unless its 144 hz one

 

i have "similar" setup bit pimped up and i cant imagine running smaller display than 27"

 

 

my rig is :

 

Procesor :Intel I7 4820K

GPU : Gygabite GV-N760OC - 2GD

MB : Gygabite GA-X79-UP4

RAM: Kingston HyperX 2133MHz 2x4GB

SSD : Samsung 840 EVO 250GB

Cooler : Noctua NH-U14S

Case : Corsair Vengeance C370 Military green

 

for total of +- 1079 Eur + Coolermaster PSU (+-80E) and Hardddrive (+-40E) i carried over from my old PC

 

and i had a problem that most games ran at 70+ FPS at top settings so i upgraded my Monitor too : ASUS VG278 HE (144 HZ 27" monitor) for +-420E

 

 

so far every time i thought about upgrading this beast i ended up considering only top of the line Nvidia cards (980 only basically) as anything else wouldnt affect performance in the slightest  (at the time i bought it 4820K was 4th most powerful non server CPU on the market) and so far i didnt feel the need to shell out 550E for a graphics card :), i will probably, but only after Oculus rift comes out and i will have to run above 1080P at 80+ FPS

 

 

your setup looks fine on the first look, only thing i would reccomend is larger SSD, proper case and PSU (basically Corsair is the way to go) and proper monitor (if you are fine with 22" so be it, but go for at least 120Hz one, otherwise the performance of that rig will be wasted if you use 60 Hz monitor (and by the way , monitor you chose is utter garbage fit for workstation desktop, not 1000+E gaming rig)

 

 

PS: do not underestimate cooling, good Noctua cooler wont cost you a lot, but its runs so quiet, you wont notice it  - that rig above when idling when browsing or watching videos is absolutly silent and i have my case about 40cm to my left up on my table


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View PostMiroslavPavkovic, on 04 December 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

I would chose one of the AMD graphic cards. I had 3 NVidia cards and all died within a year.

I had ATI 3850 HD for 4 years and now sold it and got new R9 270x, I am really happy. + AMD is cheaper brand of graphic card witch mean you will get better card for your money.

 

and runs hot = LOUD, has shorter lifespan and will wreak havoc in your cooling airflow + power consumption.

 

when building high end gaming rig the noise of the rig should be one of the main criteria, otherwise you could just buy cheaper crap and oveclock the hell out of it (and have a vacuum cleaner rumbling under your desk all day long ...)



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View PostWafflePanzer, on 02 December 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

 

 

That core i5 CPU will not fit that AMD mobo.... can't beleive no-ones said that yet...

 

View Post2Tee2, on 02 December 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

no idea but aint 8 gigs of ram a bit too low nowadays? for a new 1k system?

 

8gb is fine.. you really don;t NEED more... and to be honest it doesn't do that much extra "at the moment".. easy upgrade later on if needed..

 

View PostMiroslavPavkovic, on 04 December 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

I would chose one of the AMD graphic cards. I had 3 NVidia cards and all died within a year.

I had ATI 3850 HD for 4 years and now sold it and got new R9 270x, I am really happy. + AMD is cheaper brand of graphic card witch mean you will get better card for your money.

 

I've had both sorts, both have fried and both have been fking ace... so you just had really bad luck... personal choice...

 

View PostAsghaad, on 04 December 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

  1. 22" monitor is way WAY too small for a gaming grade computer
  2. your setup looks fine on the first look, only thing i would reccomend is larger SSD, proper case and PSU (basically Corsair is the way to go) and proper monitor
  3. PS: do not underestimate cooling, good Noctua cooler wont cost you a lot, but its runs so quiet, you wont notice it  - that rig above when idling when browsing or watching videos is absolutly silent and i have my case about 40cm to my left up on my table
  1. Agreed.. since I got a 27" monitor I can't even see stuff on my old 20" which is working as a second screen...
  2. I have a 128GB SSD.. and it's enough.. JUST... partitioned with windows + photoshop/vegas/etc on one, and 4 games on the other... I wish I had a larger SSD...
  3. True... Cooling AND PSU are important.. I'd say you are just high enough with a 650W... try for next level up if possible and modular..


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View PostDingIsHere, on 04 December 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

  1. True... Cooling AND PSU are important.. I'd say you are just high enough with a 650W... try for next level up if possible and modular..

 

i run 520W PSU currently and its overkill for my GPU/CPU combo

 

you can use this page : http://www.extreme.o...culatorlite.jsp as general idea of what PSU wattage you will really need

 

and yes, modular system PSU and case with grommits for cable management (cables running behind separator wall not obstructing the airflow in the case) is a must if you are concerned about proper cooling (and proper cooling = much quieter system)



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View PostAsghaad, on 04 December 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:

 

i run 520W PSU currently and its overkill for my GPU/CPU combo

 

you can use this page : http://www.extreme.o...culatorlite.jsp as general idea of what PSU wattage you will really need

 

and yes, modular system PSU and case with grommits for cable management (cables running behind separator wall not obstructing the airflow in the case) is a must if you are concerned about proper cooling (and proper cooling = much quieter system)

 

We could argue about PSU's all day long... but... you need a lot of spare capacity.. you do NOT want to be running the PSU at full whack... no more than 80% capacity or it WILL burn out.. a fried PSU can fry everything else at the same time...

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Pick R9 280X over 760, I'd say. I manage with 2.25GB of RAM (don't ask) so 8GB is perfectly fine as far as I know.

 

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View PostDingIsHere, on 04 December 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

 

We could argue about PSU's all day long... but... you need a lot of spare capacity.. you do NOT want to be running the PSU at full whack... no more than 80% capacity or it WILL burn out.. a fried PSU can fry everything else at the same time...

 

1. exactly other way around

 

you want to run your PSU at 85% capacity otherwise you are wasting energy (power efficiency of large PSUs running at below 70% capacity is terrible)

 

2. PSU can "fry" only when you are overloading one of its voltage branches, thats why you also have to check maximum amperage your PSU can handle at each voltage level.

 

3. good brand PSU has several safeguards to prevent damage of other components even in the event of catastrophic failure

 

View PostWoody1999, on 04 December 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

Pick R9 280X over 760, I'd say. I manage with 2.25GB of RAM (don't ask) so 8GB is perfectly fine as far as I know.

 

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R9 280x costs double of the 760 ... and is at same price currently as 970 which beats it hands down in every aspect ...

 

760, 970 or for true enthusiast 980, AMD currently has NO comparable offers in mid-high end spectrum, 760 is best budget midrange card, 290x is inferior to 970 and AMD has nothing on 980 so far



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View PostAsghaad, on 04 December 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

1. exactly other way around

 

you want to run your PSU at 85% capacity otherwise you are wasting energy (power efficiency of large PSUs running at below 70% capacity is terrible)

 

2. PSU can "fry" only when you are overloading one of its voltage branches, thats why you also have to check maximum amperage your PSU can handle at each voltage level.

 

3. good brand PSU has several safeguards to prevent damage of other components even in the event of catastrophic failure

 

 

R9 280x costs double of the 760 ... and is at same price currently as 970 which beats it hands down in every aspect ...

 

760, 970 or for true enthusiast 980, AMD currently has NO comparable offers in mid-high end spectrum, 760 is best budget midrange card, 290x is inferior to 970 and AMD has nothing on 980 so far

 

Actually, my new 280x only costs £180, which is for the 1.1GHz, 3GB model.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280xtdbd

 

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View PostWoody1999, on 04 December 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

 

Actually, my new 280x only costs £180, which is for the 1.1GHz, 3GB model.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280xtdbd

 

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and 760 runs at 177.55 (149 lowest price) from the same source, runs quieter, at much lower temperature and gives same performace

 

760 is same performance as 280x but beats it in TDP, noise and temperature

770 is better than 280X and is at same price

970 is better than 290x at same pricepoint

980 has no AMD equivalent

 

buying AMD at this point is bad decision, only point of AMD cards is the pricepoint, same as with processors AMD should be the budget choice, but so far they are one generation behind NVIDIA and while NV cards are generally more expensive, they have shipped the nextgen card while AMD did not which resulted in NV cards being priced at the same or lower point as comparable AMD...

 

and AMD is always performance wise inferior to NV cards that should be little more powerfull and better tuned (again, heat and noise, AMD cards achieve theyr performance by running at near limit temperatures) but should be more expensive.

 

and when im investing a LOT of money in a computer, i want performance, but i want it to run QUIET and not act as a heater for my room.



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Well, right now I have a I believe 15.7" monitor...

 

So, 

1. Better case

2. Better cooling

 

 



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View PostAsghaad, on 04 December 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

1. exactly other way around

 

you want to run your PSU at 85% capacity otherwise you are wasting energy (power efficiency of large PSUs running at below 70% capacity is terrible)

 

2. PSU can "fry" only when you are overloading one of its voltage branches, thats why you also have to check maximum amperage your PSU can handle at each voltage level.

 

3. good brand PSU has several safeguards to prevent damage of other components even in the event of catastrophic failure

 

 

R9 280x costs double of the 760 ... and is at same price currently as 970 which beats it hands down in every aspect ...

 

760, 970 or for true enthusiast 980, AMD currently has NO comparable offers in mid-high end spectrum, 760 is best budget midrange card, 290x is inferior to 970 and AMD has nothing on 980 so far

 

  1. rubbish. http://www.tomshardw...fficiency-myths
    http://hexus.net/tec...-certification/
    http://www.silentpcr..._PSU_Efficiency
    PSU efficiency is more or less flat over the full spectrum, baring the lower quarter, all PSUs are like this, they are only outputting what is required... or how is your PSU doing when you are only browsing text? with no mega GPU loading the crap out of it? You run anyything at full capacity and it will fail sooner than at 80-90%.... they are actually MORE efficient lower down the scale due to less heat generation...
  2. again, rubbish, all electrics can fry, for no 'apparent' reason, if your PSU is over-engineered it is LESS likely to happen, if it does it 'can' take every other component with it, so why risk it for another £10..? I've only ever lost 1 mobo thru PSU failure, luckily, and that was from a coolermaster psu on its limits.
  3. see #2 above.... not always.... just more likely...

 

edited for 2 more links...

 

quote  #1: With the greatest efficiency achieved at roughly 50 per cent load, manufacturers often recommend purchasing a power supply capable of delivering double the typical power output of your machine. Although the up-front cost of larger power supplies is higher, running a system at peak efficiency has its long-term benefits.

quote #2 : Our three sample systems show that few if any people actually need anything more than 850W power supply, especially if you can get an appropriate number of connectors. About the only reason you should consider anything more is if you want to keep your power supply at a lower load, since optimal efficiency and lower noise levels usually come at around half the rated output

 

 

if you don't actually know.. keep schtum....


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View PostWafflePanzer, on 02 December 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

I'm going to build my own Gaming PC since the laptop I have now runs on sprouts and potatoes yet for some very weird reason still manages to get around 35fps on low graphics.

I'm planning on getting these parts and I want to know what you guys think of it as I'm not a big PC expert.

 

Graphics:                         GeForce GTX 760

CPU:                                 Intel i5 4690K

HSF:                                 212 Evo

Motherboard:                   ASUS M5A97 R2.0

RAM:                               8GB

HDD:                                1TB

SSD:                                128GB

Power Supply:                  Seaconic S12G-650

Case:                                Arc Midi R2

 

Other stuff

 

Screen:                             LG 22M35A

Keyboard:                         Razer Deathstalker Expert

 

This will be a total amount of €1056,50

At the moment I have around €260 to spend and I will probably be able to buy it at the end of 2015 with some luck so what do you guys think about these specs and parts and do you guys think it might be a good idea to buy a part every time i can buy one or should a wait and buy every part when I have enough money for everything?

 

Thanks for reading. -WafflePanzer-

 

by the end of 2015 all those prices will change as will hadrware available.. post again in 9 months is my advice

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View PostDingIsHere, on 04 December 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

 

  1. rubbish. http://www.tomshardw...fficiency-myths
    http://hexus.net/tec...-certification/
    http://www.silentpcr..._PSU_Efficiency
    PSU efficiency is more or less flat over the full spectrum, baring the lower quarter, all PSUs are like this, they are only outputting what is required... or how is your PSU doing when you are only browsing text? with no mega GPU loading the crap out of it? You run anyything at full capacity and it will fail sooner than at 80-90%.... they are actually MORE efficient lower down the scale due to less heat generation...
  2. again, rubbish, all electrics can fry, for no 'apparent' reason, if your PSU is over-engineered it is LESS likely to happen, if it does it 'can' take every other component with it, so why risk it for another £10..? I've only ever lost 1 mobo thru PSU failure, luckily, and that was from a coolermaster psu on its limits.
  3. see #2 above.... not always.... just more likely...

 

edited for 2 more links...

 

quote  #1: With the greatest efficiency achieved at roughly 50 per cent load, manufacturers often recommend purchasing a power supply capable of delivering double the typical power output of your machine. Although the up-front cost of larger power supplies is higher, running a system at peak efficiency has its long-term benefits.

quote #2 : Our three sample systems show that few if any people actually need anything more than 850W power supply, especially if you can get an appropriate number of connectors. About the only reason you should consider anything more is if you want to keep your power supply at a lower load, since optimal efficiency and lower noise levels usually come at around half the rated output

 

 

if you don't actually know.. keep schtum....

 

1. you would need a chart that directly shows power consumption and power output (not just waste heat generation), but generally its better to run PSUs at way over 50% ideal is 80-85% (not purely because power efficiency, but taking cost of the PSU in the first place)

 

 

2. heat loss is only ONE of many factors that figure in the power transformation especially transforming 240-250V 50Hz alternate to 5-12V continuous current. judging "eficiency" at only single aspect of power loss is dumb

 

yes running PSU at near 100% is dumb, so is paying +60% the price for doublesized PSU that wont save you enough energy costs to cover the expense in the first place (difference between sweetspot in consumption/output and PSU running at nonoptimal load (be it under or over) will be in single digit percent vallues.

 

 

yes manufacturers will try to convince you to shell more money for PSU you dont need... it in theyr interest ...

 

 

 

 

PS: i run 520W Coolermaster M2 PSU for the setup i posted above and it runs dead silent (basically only thing that gives any noise during load is graphics card ... and by noise i mean that if i take down my headphones i can barely hear anything from my case ... xD), my system runs at +-430 watts at peak, i would have to run overclocked CPU, all four drives, burn with the mechanic and use all my USB devices to push that PSU to its limit ...

 

if i used your advice and your sources, i would need at least 850watt PSU, now lets compare price

 

lets see,

1. Corsair CSM550M - modular 550W  -  currently for +-80 Eur

2. Corsair RM850 - modular 850W - currently for +-144 Eur

 

thats 64 eur price difference, while according to your charts difference on Gold certified PSUs (both are) between peak 100% and 50% is 3%

 

if we say your PC runs at 100% for 10 hours a day for 5 years at 430W draw, that would mean you consume 10*365*5*0,430 = 7847,5 KW of power. from that you can save 3% by buying the 850W PSU, thats 235.425 KW. right now one KWh runs for +-0,175 Eur = you would save 41.199 eur

 

if you ran your PC at 100% under those conditions, which is physically impossible. As it is even accepting wholly your source, you would save aproximatelly 10 Eur on energy ... over the 5 years ... (and im being generous here) for paying 64 eur more for PSu that is totall overkill for single GPU system ...



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View PostSmeeeeg_Heeeeed, on 05 December 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

 

by the end of 2015 all those prices will change as will hadrware available.. post again in 9 months is my advice

 

he is probably picking his Christmas gift, kinda doubt he can wait.

 

and generally prices are usually best around late January, early February,



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would this be better?

 

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