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What equipment do you use on the Tiger 2?

  1. Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 (1320 votes [15.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.73%

  2. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (1776 votes [21.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.17%

  3. Toolbox (329 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  4. Large-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (2550 votes [30.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.39%

  5. Large Spall Liner (329 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  6. Enhanced Gun Laying Drive (712 votes [8.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.49%

  7. Coated Optics (369 votes [4.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.40%

  8. Binocular Telescope (466 votes [5.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.55%

  9. Camouflage Net (355 votes [4.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.23%

  10. None (144 votes [1.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.72%

What Consumables do you use on the Tiger 2?

  1. Large Repair Kit (183 votes [2.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.16%

  2. Large First Aid Kit (137 votes [1.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.62%

  3. Chocolate (45 votes [0.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.53%

  4. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (353 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

  5. Small Repair Kit (2640 votes [31.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.16%

  6. Small First Aid Kit (2582 votes [30.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.47%

  7. Manual Fire Extinguisher (2316 votes [27.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.33%

  8. None (217 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

Which gun do you use?

  1. 88L71 (for credit making) (415 votes [13.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.56%

  2. 105mm L52 (for DPM) (217 votes [7.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.09%

  3. 105mm L68 (for penetration and maximal performance (2428 votes [79.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.35%

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Fedeita89 #3021 Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:17 PM

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please wg fix this beast already! it is supposed to rule the field not be the gollum of the situation.

DANAOS_master #3022 Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:47 PM

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View PostXxx_HuisBaasBob_xxX, on 08 November 2018 - 01:11 AM, said:

 



E75 is another tier 9 German tank that used to be very good. if not the best tier 9 tank in the game. but WG decided that no German tank deserves such glory and gave it some "tweaks" which made it far weaker now . don,t get me wrong it is still a decent machine much better then the king. but it gets swept aside by tanks such as the object 705,m103  and many other tier 9 vehicles. E75 does have the major advantage of being able to sidescrape and bounce shells reliably unlike the king tiger.

The only competitive german high tier  tanks in this game are the Vk 1001p because it is basicly a tier 8 maus, vk4502B with it,s excellent sidescrape capabilities and strong front armor, the Maus which does everything the Vk4502B does but alot better together with a big HP pool,the E-50 which is 1 of the best tier 9 mediums overall and the E-50M which is atleast in the top 3 best mediums of the entire game. 

If you are planning to go up the German tech tree for the first time and you are reading this. please do yourself a favor and go for the tanks that i have just listed above. you won,t be dissapointed. if you aim for any other German vehicle in the tree expect to be the underdog everytime when you join a match.

VK 30.01 (P) will do the job as well



Freg0 #3023 Posted 28 January 2019 - 07:15 PM

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View PostShimmerUK, on 05 November 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

An Another Beta Test and this tank was my Fav Tank I've over 1600 Battles in this tank and 1400 in the Lowe.

 

This tank used  to be a awesome beast of a tank but that was when you only have tanks like the T32/IS-3 as your opposite counterpart but now there tanks like the IS-M/KV-4/110/O-Ho and now the 53TP many of the newer tanks have better guns rounded armour with spaced armour and the huge increase in Premium ammo used as well as buffs to tanks like the Lowe have made it obsolete it's no longer the Royal King Tiger it might just scrape past as a courtesan.

 

I am just not sure how it can be rescued with out giving it unrealistic stats like increased turret armour more powerful engine again remember they took away the experimental engines for the tank and introduced the now weaker engine it uses top speed is to low still as it should be 40km true that was on road.

 

But then again they buffed other tanks like the Lowe recent buffs have given it more amour more speed the only other thing would be as people say drop it a tier and maybe only let it use the uprated 88 guns like the 88/L100

 

Since when it is a problem at WG to give unrealistic armor values to tanks...like just a random +100mm on centurion's and caernavron's turret armor, also T44 series, even the top tier russians...Is not about that...this tank is one of the most powerful tanks of WW2 next to other german tanks *(no russians or soviet tank mentioned here for a good reason - they were plain bad and unreliable as hell...in case if they reached the frontline).

Ankot #3024 Posted 29 January 2019 - 08:28 AM

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View PostFreg0, on 28 January 2019 - 06:15 PM, said:

 

Since when it is a problem at WG to give unrealistic armor values to tanks...like just a random +100mm on centurion's and caernavron's turret armor, also T44 series, even the top tier russians...Is not about that...this tank is one of the most powerful tanks of WW2 next to other german tanks *(no russians or soviet tank mentioned here for a good reason - they were plain bad and unreliable as hell...in case if they reached the frontline).

This is what I think. The truth is, the Tiger II will never again be what it once was in World of Tanks. Also, what you said about Russian tanks is objectively true.



ConductiveMetal #3025 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:13 PM

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I've been playing Tiger II for the last couple of days and it's pretty fun, especially since the MM changed again and favors +0/+1 more than +2, for tier VIII.

Been trying to get my crew up to 3 skills and I got to say, besides the fact that it's a bit slow -regarding both acceleration and overall mobility, such as traverse, top speed, terrain resistance, etc.- and the fact that the turret is weak -against most type of shells and guns-, the tank is relatively awesome.

You play as a support tank and you try to use that side-scrape armor of yours to the best of your abilities. 

Though I know WG won't buff german tanks too soon, I'd wish for it to gain a better overall armor buff at the frontal plates of the turret and hull, and also a bit of engine power, to help with relocating and other similar actions regarding movement.



olmocap #3026 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:42 PM

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Got 2 excellence marks that I think allow me to express an oppinion over the tiger 2.

 

If you want historic buffs speed can be buffed up to 40km/h

 

Tank is ok by itself and teh problem is powercreep, so the best option is to buff it instead of moving it to tier 7 where the tiger I already sits.

 

Possible buffs that wont mess too much with the "historical accuracy"?

 

-Speed up to 40km per hour

-Accuracy in allaround terms

-Slight buff to pen and alpha to the 105mm (not even historical gun so no problemo)

-Slight buff to the 88 in alpha and pen

-I saw somewhere suggested to put track armor in critical places such as turret front (not very ez but can be tryed) lower plate (can be tryed too but generally any tier up to 8 will chew through your front plate

 

I dont think tiger 2 to ever be a ressilint vehicle in the future unless you wreck poor tier 6, instead the most likely is a better support vehicle more into firepower or speed



ConductiveMetal #3027 Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:50 PM

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View Postolmocap, on 23 April 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

Got 2 excellence marks that I think allow me to express an oppinion over the tiger 2.

 

If you want historic buffs speed can be buffed up to 40km/h

 

Tank is ok by itself and teh problem is powercreep, so the best option is to buff it instead of moving it to tier 7 where the tiger I already sits.

 

Possible buffs that wont mess too much with the "historical accuracy"?

 

-Speed up to 40km per hour

-Accuracy in allaround terms

-Slight buff to pen and alpha to the 105mm (not even historical gun so no problemo)

-Slight buff to the 88 in alpha and pen

-I saw somewhere suggested to put track armor in critical places such as turret front (not very ez but can be tryed) lower plate (can be tryed too but generally any tier up to 8 will chew through your front plate

 

I dont think tiger 2 to ever be a ressilint vehicle in the future unless you wreck poor tier 6, instead the most likely is a better support vehicle more into firepower or speed

 

It doesn't need an accuracy buff... it's already as accurate as it can be...



topsickrat #3028 Posted 24 April 2019 - 10:24 PM

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I cannot imagine what must happen to wg to finally do some improvements to the KT. It is almost amusing how even the majority of the mantlet is a weakpoint

Innapropriate_Username #3029 Posted 25 April 2019 - 10:35 AM

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View Postolmocap, on 23 April 2019 - 03:42 PM, said:

Possible buffs that wont mess too much with the "historical accuracy"?

 

Worse than "Historical accurate" armor for German tanks...

 

Fantasy 300% thicker armor for T-44, T-54, T-55, Defenders, Objects, Centurion, Tortoise, etc, etc...

If Centurion can have 250mm - 500mm armor on Tier8, Tiger2 needs to god own to Tier7 where SU100M1 has more mobility but same armor as Tier9 JagdTiger.

 

This is Tier8 armor in this game:



Innapropriate_Username #3030 Posted 27 April 2019 - 07:00 AM

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New update about Tiger2 in Tier7, Lets hope they drop the whole tree one Tier down:

https://ritastatusre...ion/#more-57610

 

Last versions compare with Tiger 1, 2, Lowe, E75: https://tanks.gg/com...er-ii~lowe~e-75



superkart #3031 Posted 27 April 2019 - 08:42 AM

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Tiger 2 was rebalanced a few years ago and I hated the rebalance.

To some it was a buff but I hated the gun soft stats getting worse, except for the reload.

The gun was like the "latest" German guns they put on the VK 45.03 or the Steyr, had very little bloom during turret or hull traverse and the snap shots with that thing were s-e-x-y.

They nerfed all those stats and while the extra reload was welcome the tank was no longer special for me to play or fun so I ditched it.

So that's the kind of buff that would make the tank better and also good enough for me to play and enjoy again, make the German gun German again.

It doesn't have any mobility, it doesn't have much in terms of armor or camo, is a huge target.

All it gets back for that is some more HP and view range and we know this is nowhere near enough to be competitive vs IS-3s.

So at least make it sting.

Make Tiger 2 punish you just by looking at you, just like it used to be.

 


Edited by superkart, 27 April 2019 - 12:58 PM.


Fanegas_Alcafran #3032 Posted 27 April 2019 - 05:02 PM

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Today, Tiger II is a TD... 

Junenova #3033 Posted 27 April 2019 - 10:54 PM

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I thought they planned to tier the entire line down when I heard the supertest news, but no. They're simply releasing a Tiger II clone with the exact same armor values at Tier 7 with its 88 gun as premium tank.

Honestly, what the [edited]? This is just an admission that Tiger II doesn't fit in Tier VIII but instead of fixing it releasing a prem version. It's just a better VK 45.03 which already exists as Tiger II prototype prem at Tier VII, not speaking about the soon-to-be obsolete Tiger I.

Edited by Junenova, 27 April 2019 - 11:21 PM.


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View PostJunenova, on 27 April 2019 - 10:54 PM, said:

...They're simply releasing a Tiger II clone with the exact same armor values at Tier 7 with its 88 gun as premium tank.

 

Why do you think it will be premium?

Because 100gold price in screenshot?

 

I Fear they would [edited] everything like you said, but when they test new tanks they add them in game as "Special" / "Premium" for testers..

Good sign would be same 100gold E75 in Tier8, that would confirm whole tree drop... but hey, its WG.

We can expect they only release Tier7 Tiger2 Premium, they say E75 is FINE as it is now, they buff E100 traverse by 0.0001% and call it a buff.

One patch later, Object 140 goes down to Tier9 with no changes, and new T-72 enters game as new Tier10 tank with 400mm HEAT shells.

 



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As I was saying forever, 250mm Turret armor is new Tier8 standard.



superkart #3036 Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:29 AM

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I am waiting for WG to rebalance the Tiger 2 so I can have a laugh.

What are they going to do to make it competitive against Defeners, autoloaders, IS-3s and the like?

Give it 3k dpm?

Shrink it?

3000HP?

4000 penetration?

Oh wait.

They nerfed the lower plate so it is historical.

Maybe they can give it back it's 20 extra mm.

That should do it.

Or maybe add a couple of track links to it and problem solved, Tiger 2 balanced vs the tier 8 UFOs.

Good luck with that.

But wait a minute.

Maybe the rebalance has happened already.

Kingtiger in tier 7.

Stupid me, never thought of that.

RIP


Edited by superkart, 01 June 2019 - 12:29 AM.


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View Postsuperkart, on 01 June 2019 - 12:29 AM, said:

I am waiting for WG to rebalance the Tiger 2 so I can have a laugh.

What are they going to do to make it competitive against Defeners, autoloaders, IS-3s and the like?

Give it 3k dpm?

Shrink it?

3000HP?

4000 penetration?

Oh wait.

They nerfed the lower plate so it is historical.

Maybe they can give it back it's 20 extra mm.

That should do it.

Or maybe add a couple of track links to it and problem solved, Tiger 2 balanced vs the tier 8 UFOs.

Good luck with that.

But wait a minute.

Maybe the rebalance has happened already.

Kingtiger in tier 7.

Stupid me, never thought of that.

RIP

 

I was talking about the need to drop Tiger2 down to Tier7 for Years.

 

Remember everybody who screamed that Tiger2 dropped down to Tier7 would make it "OP" ?

"It would BRAKE THE GAME"

"But the BALANCE, Tiger2 armor in Tier7 would be OP!!!!!"

"Tiger1 in Tier7 is FINE, Talk about Tiger2 in Tier7 is CRAZY"

 

That time has passed, and now... we have a Tiger2 in Tier7.

And guess what - it is GARBAGE:

 

 

The power-creep is now so so SOOOO BAAAD, that to make Tiger2 be a Good Tank, it would need to go ALL THE WAY DOWN to Tier6!

 

Yes, Tier 6 (SIX),

Same as the Black Prince:

https://thearmoredpa...3-bp-prototype/

UK tanks can have 100% thicker FANTASY Armor, nobody calls it OP when Centurion1 has 254mm Turret armor (only 6mm thinner than the MAUS)

 

Tier6 is no longer the same as was in 2017,

Panthers with L70 Guns and Tiger1 variants can ONLY be balanced in Tier5, because T34-85M power-creeped Tier6 FOREVER!

If Black Prince can go down to Tier6, so can Tiger2.

 

So you can have Panthers and Tiger1 tanks with "Fantasy" stats/armor values in Tier6 (same as T34-85M), or Historic armor values in Tier5.

That would work, and all would be great, but no, you can not have fun in German Tigers and Panthers in World of Tanks.

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But lol, making German tanks competitive or even balanced LOL, it is a bad joke here, if you drive Tigers and Panthers you will fight UFO tanks for years to come, enjoy.



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I maintain that Tiger I at T7 is fine.

 

However the predators at T8 MM make the Tiger II difficult to play. Has nothing going for it really other than an accurate gun. 

 

Tried to take it out the other day. First incoming shot killed engine, second one damaged ammo rack. And that was GG...

 



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The aim is still not as steady as it should be, but I guess you can miss that out.

But as for armor and engine power... those things need a huge serious buff. Frontal turret armor (cheeks and mantle), viewport and both upper plate and lower plate of the hull... not to mention the sides, for sidescraping... Meanwhile, the engine does not perform not even at 80-90% of its capacity... I wish this hatred towards DE tanks would disappear... and that WG would focus more on balancing tanks, rather than keep spamming them out of nowhere, with ridiculous characteristics... (yes, I'm talking about UDES, EBR and lots of other similar modern tanks that just mess up the good old ones...)






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