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DrBake #1 Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:25 AM

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Hi,

I moved from KV-3 to IS and I find it hard to penetrate anything with the stock gun.

I have researched the tracks and the turret, so which gun should I get? And what ammo works best for it?

Thanks! :)

Lito #2 Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:38 AM

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For tanks always AP... whats with this question what works best? All derp-guns like KV 152mm and SU/ISU derp guns work best with HE all other AP.

And the best gun is, of course, the best - 120mm D-25T for 19k XP

Nidaros #3 Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:45 AM

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View PostDrBake, on 08 July 2011 - 07:25 AM, said:

Hi,

I moved from KV-3 to IS and I find it hard to penetrate anything with the stock gun.

I have researched the tracks and the turret, so which gun should I get? And what ammo works best for it?

Thanks! :)


Yes, the 85mm isn't much of a gun for this tanks, that's for sure :-) Anything is probably better than this gun, if you e.g. have the 100 mm D10T researched you can use that one while you grind the 122 mm D-25T? I used that one,  with a rammer and gld, and it worked OK for me, but it was probably a grind to get there (don't quite remember).  The 122 mm D-2-5T has the same values for damage and penetration, but you'll appreciate the extra round per minute you get with the D-25T.  
I use mainly standard ammo. Have almost stopped using gold-ammo, as I think this game is expencive enough as it is (for being free, I mean :lol: )

DrBake #4 Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:19 AM

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ok thanks ;)

IKerensky #5 Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:28 AM

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I am using the first 122mm, just like in my KV-3. I dont plan to research the second one as it seems only marginally better and I could research it with an IS3 wich seems easier. I just buyed the tracks and have already a lot of the other things researched from KV3/KV1S so I will just grind the 40k to go to the IS-3 and research better gun from there.

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View PostIKerensky, on 08 July 2011 - 08:28 AM, said:

I am using the first 122mm, just like in my KV-3. I dont plan to research the second one as it seems only marginally better and I could research it with an IS3 wich seems easier. I just buyed the tracks and have already a lot of the other things researched from KV3/KV1S so I will just grind the 40k to go to the IS-3 and research better gun from there.

I'm getting close to the IS3 and believe me the 19k xp are worth it  :Smile_honoring:

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View PostIKerensky, on 08 July 2011 - 08:28 AM, said:

I am using the first 122mm, just like in my KV-3. I dont plan to research the second one as it seems only marginally better and I could research it with an IS3 wich seems easier. I just buyed the tracks and have already a lot of the other things researched from KV3/KV1S so I will just grind the 40k to go to the IS-3 and research better gun from there.
I don't think researching the second 122 will be easier on IS-3. I'd bet it would be harder.
On IS you'll be fighting less high tier enemies then in IS-3 so it's easier to "tolerate" the first 122.

On IS-3 however you simply NEED the better 122 to get anywhere. The first 122 just doesn't have the DPM to do enough damage to tanks. You'll suffer with an under powered IS-3 much more then you would in an IS

sgt_quark #8 Posted 08 July 2011 - 09:01 AM

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You need to research the 2nd 122mm (D-25T) gun on the IS otherwise the IS-3 will be very painful to drive. I just got the IS-3 last night and compared to the IS seems very hard to play even with that 122mm and engine upgrade.

I had just got used to the elite IS which I started having some fantastic games on, but the IS-3 seems a backward step, hopefully with the better gun BL-9 it will be better, I also need to learn the play style for it.


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Can't you use the 100mm gun from the KV-3? I used that to get me started on the IS, I certainly never used the stock gun.

Edit: corrected above as got the tanks and info wrong.

SlicerDicer #9 Posted 08 July 2011 - 11:07 AM

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You should have researched the 100 D1OT gun on the KV-3 before jumping to IS...

Does anyone have the ammo costs for the D-2-5 and D-25?

HammeriEX #10 Posted 08 July 2011 - 11:22 AM

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View PostSlicerDicer, on 08 July 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

You should have researched the 100 D1OT gun on the KV-3 before jumping to IS...

Does anyone have the ammo costs for the D-2-5 and D-25?
These are for the D-25T (I dont think the D-2-5T prices are any different)

AP = 1,025 silver
APCR = 12 gold
HE = 608 silver

SimonK #11 Posted 08 July 2011 - 12:47 PM

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100mm until d-25t (cause d-2-5t is just crap).

VaHaLa_LTU #12 Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:48 PM

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If you have the money, the best 122mm gun WILL satisfy you much more - great penetration and immense damage.
From my own experience (in Beta) and from my friends' stories though, 100mm gun is REALLY good too, one of my friends called it the "moneygun", because its AP rounds are dirt cheap compared to 122mm and it still does considerable damage, is more accurate and has a better ROF (penetration is the same as 122mm).
In the end it is up to your play style - if you snipe more often or have a thin wallet - 100mm is for you
                                         if you love close quarter combat and enjoy doing massive damage per shot, take 122mm!

Just my 2 cents

Rozbrus #13 Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:34 PM

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View PostVaHaLa_LTU, on 08 July 2011 - 06:48 PM, said:

If you have the money, the best 122mm gun WILL satisfy you much more - great penetration and immense damage.
From my own experience (in Beta) and from my friends' stories though, 100mm gun is REALLY good too, one of my friends called it the "moneygun", because its AP rounds are dirt cheap compared to 122mm and it still does considerable damage, is more accurate and has a better ROF (penetration is the same as 122mm).
In the end it is up to your play style - if you snipe more often or have a thin wallet - 100mm is for you
                                         if you love close quarter combat and enjoy doing massive damage per shot, take 122mm!

Just my 2 cents

I have also switched from 122mm D5T to 100mm D10T. I simply hated that I missed almost everyone at longer distance. Not to mention the price od ammo. 1025 vs. 252 silver is a HUGE difference. Even if I need two or three shots instead of one, it is still cheaper.

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View PostRozbrus, on 09 July 2011 - 12:34 PM, said:

I have also switched from 122mm D5T to 100mm D10T. I simply hated that I missed almost everyone at longer distance. Not to mention the price od ammo. 1025 vs. 252 silver is a HUGE difference. Even if I need two or three shots instead of one, it is still cheaper.

U just have to put final 122mm on it and fight it more until u get the hang of it. Always think how is your tank best used? IS is a fast/agile brawler by putting 100 mmm on it you wont use it to its full potentional and u will never get results you should. Actually i got about same number of steel walls from it as from kv or kv3, i managed to survive and kill 4 mediums at same time by charging/hiding behind a wreck i always charge main column by flanking it etc... nothing of that wouldnt be possible without 122mm.

First reason is huge alpha damage that kills many mediums with first shot, second is fear that people have when they see it. fear of lower tears is good it makes different people react in different ways. Sure many will stand their ground, try to circle you, but also there are lot of guys that will run/hide/take better position. While half of guys run from you they cant aim and its up to you to distinguish good players from bad and kill them asap.
Those 4 tanks that i fought were actually only 2 that tried to circle me and I was lucky to one shoot first one. Second one didn't have a chance taking me alone... last 2 took position behind some rock and knew they already lost when first 2 were dead and just bounced shoots on me, while trying to back up further.

Moments like that will make u love your IS2. Even with BL9 my IS3 hardly had a field days i had in IS2.

Learn how you should play with 122mm, its a good weapon. I belive i had 80% hit percentage and many sniper medals with it.

Arkhell #15 Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:28 AM

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stock IS with 100mm is a big medium tank.
fully upgraded with second 122 it's a heavy.

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View Postarkhell, on 15 July 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

stock IS with 100mm is a big medium tank.
fully upgraded with second 122 it's a heavy.

Sure 100mm is more accurate but you will have to be exposed for longer to deal same damage. Being exposed for longer makes your speed less relevant and armor more important. U have speed and just barely ok. armor so choice is really easy.

I would say that 100mm will make u average damage dealing medium with very good armor and poor mobility (for a medium).
122mm will make you great damage dealing, awesome mobility, good armor heavy tank.

Antaris #17 Posted 16 July 2011 - 09:00 PM

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I think 100mm is the best for this tank, and with it the match-FCKN-maker puts me more on place...

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If you're going for Russian heavy line you better get used to 122mm.

100mm is good but it just doesn't carry the punch. It forces you to stay in place for longer and IS armor isn't really made for that.

If you're preferring 100mm then your play style better suits German tanks which are more accurate and faster firing. Perfect for sniping.

IS (and its little brother KV-1S) are made close range brawling with lots of movement. Read the situation and exploit it by getting in good position. City streets and maps with lots of cover are your friend. Maps like Himmelsdorf, Lakeville, Ensk, Abbey (not the narrow road on the right), Ruinberg, Westfield and Karelia are perfect.

Long straights and open spaces are your enemy. If you're forced to snipe you need to relocate. If that's what you prefer to do then IS isn't for you.

Second 122 does more DPM, has more stopping power and is better at penetrating sloping armor then 100mm (caliber bonus).

That's my thinking anyways. I may be a bit biased as I am in love with the 122 and I already prefer KV-1S over KV-3.

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The IS with the 122mm D-25T (IS-2) is fantastic, you just have to remember that it is not a weapon for long range engagements. It can be done, just don't make it your first choice; the IS has particularly good mobility, treat it like a medium/heavy hybrid, play aggressively, and you should have no trouble racking up the kills.

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View PostSlicerDicer, on 08 July 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

You should have researched the 100 D1OT gun on the KV-3 before jumping to IS...

Amen to that.

It's just sooooo much easier. Hell. you could even play the KV-3 while IS is still locked to battle and save the IS xp for something better (D-25T, turret, tracks)