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Claudius_Caesar #1 Posted 20 December 2014 - 09:33 AM

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List of OP tanks (as based on noobmeter statistics)


VK72.02(K) - 59% WR RECENT VALUE. 55% Overall WR. (602 OP Rating)
M60 - 58.4% WR RECENT VALUE. 56.3% Overall WR (605 OP Rating)
T29 - 56.1% WR RECENTT VALUE. 53.8% Overall WR (655 OP Rating - HIGHEST)
AT7 - 56.4% WR RECENT VALUE.  54.7% Overall WR( 653 OP Rating)
SU-122-44  -55.7% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.5% Overall WR(635 OP Rating)
KV1S (yes, still op) -55.7% WR RECENT VALUE. 53.2% Overall WR(672 OP Rating) 
KV2 - 55.6% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.6% Overall WR(634 OP Rating)
Cromwell - 55.5% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.8 Overall WR(656 OP Rating)
M18 Hellcat - 58.8% WR RECENT VALUE. 56.6 Overall WR (645 OP Rating)
SU100Y -55.5% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.5 Overall WR  (616 OP Rating)

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Not going to bother with the lower tiers , if you want to see the rest of the list go here and check for the green values

As you can clearly see Russia has the largest number of OP Tenks which is no surprise given the developers patriotic senses ,  because Stalin and because "yes we have the largest amount of players in russia and they are patriotic"". No , WTF100 and E25 are not op - based on  server values. Platooning 2 or 3 of these may be a different matter but i guess it is WG's responsability to prevent that. Funny thing , they remove E25 but not SU122-44.


Now i don't want any buthurt individuals here , just civilized comments on what do you thing on these values and if you think the tanks here deserve a nerf or not and what is your opinion on this matter. Keep in mind that both good and bad players play these and the values above are the average between the two (imho is the the most accurate display of how X performs). Most probably WG has these values too but so far is reluctant on taking measures or they are moving very very slowly. Why?  Say it below.


Edited by clocky, 20 December 2014 - 09:36 AM.


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Well the vk and m60 are seen as op because they are CW reward tanks, so only good players have and drive them, thus resulting in their good stats. Hellcat has been nerfed and is balanced IMO, SU100Y is by no means op, ad armour and a terrible camo value can make this thing a one shot wonder. Dont even know how the at 7 got onto the list. 122-44 is stong but not op, it does suffer in tier 9 mathces, and the reason why the e25 was remooved and not the 122-44 was because of its crazy camo values and still retained its camo while firing, so there were many ridicolous moments with the e25 that doesnt happen with the 122-44

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I would say in those values you didn't count how much "popular" is the tank itself. How can you consider just the win% if you don't see how much they are used? I can bet the E25 has double if not more times the popularity of the SU-122-44...

 

EDIT: Went checking some values myself. Are you sure the site is attendible? I can see the Maus listed as second most OP tank at tier X (somehow this comes hard to believe in my mind :trollface:)


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Do you realise that the list isn't updated since March 2014??

 

VK7201 and M60 supposed OPness doesn't take in account the fact that the people driving it are on average much better players and the general server population.

 

KV1-S and hellcat have been nerfed - so the data is obselete

 

The rest of the tanks on the list it's not a novelty

The T29 and SU122-44 are considered the best tier 7 tanks by pretty much everyone. 

AT7 with the 20 pounder has probably the best gun on tier 7.

Cromwell is the best tier 6 medium.

SU100Y with it's naval gun it's easy to farm damage

 

Any of the tanks i stated are by no means game braking. Plus it's impossible to completely balance them, if u nerf them... then u need to nerf the "new better tanks", etc etc etc.



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View Postclocky, on 20 December 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

List of OP tanks (as based on noobmeter statistics)


VK72.02(K) - 59% WR RECENT VALUE. 55% Overall WR. (602 OP Rating)
M60 - 58.4% WR RECENT VALUE. 56.3% Overall WR (605 OP Rating)
T29 - 56.1% WR RECENTT VALUE. 53.8% Overall WR (655 OP Rating - HIGHEST)
AT7 - 56.4% WR RECENT VALUE.  54.7% Overall WR( 653 OP Rating)
SU-122-44  -55.7% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.5% Overall WR(635 OP Rating)
KV1S (yes, still op) -55.7% WR RECENT VALUE. 53.2% Overall WR(672 OP Rating) 
KV2 - 55.6% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.6% Overall WR(634 OP Rating)
Cromwell - 55.5% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.8 Overall WR(656 OP Rating)
M18 Hellcat - 58.8% WR RECENT VALUE. 56.6 Overall WR (645 OP Rating)
SU100Y -55.5% WR RECENT VALUE. 54.5 Overall WR  (616 OP Rating)

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Not going to bother with the lower tiers , if you want to see the rest of the list go here and check for the green values

As you can clearly see Russia has the largest number of OP Tenks which is no surprise given the developers patriotic senses ,  because Stalin and because "yes we have the largest amount of players in russia and they are patriotic"". No , WTF100 and E25 are not op - based on  server values. Platooning 2 or 3 of these may be a different matter but i guess it is WG's responsability to prevent that. Funny thing , they remove E25 but not SU122-44.


Now i don't want any buthurt individuals here , just civilized comments on what do you thing on these values and if you think the tanks here deserve a nerf or not and what is your opinion on this matter. Keep in mind that both good and bad players play these and the values above are the average between the two (imho is the the most accurate display of how X performs). Most probably WG has these values too but so far is reluctant on taking measures or they are moving very very slowly. Why?  Say it below.

OP rating sounds handy.

 

Here the description:

Block Quote noobmeter.com on "OP rating"

Vehicle OP value is a calculated rating, based on winrate achieved in the vehicle and to what degree that winrate is above or below player winrate in other vehicle during this period.
 
It was created because vehicle winrate per se doesn't tell the full story, as, for example, most newly introduced vehicles are initially played by good players and thus achieve higher winrates than they later will.
 
This report is based on the data in NoobMeter database, and therefore is not representative for all WoT users, as NoobMeter users are on average, above average. It should, however, be representative for NoobMeter users (that means you).

Q1) What does OP rating mean?

Q2) How is the OP rating calculated?

Q3) What is the reason that all low tiers (you do not bother with) have a high OP rating?

 

So many questions, I hope you have some more answers, than noobmeter provides.

Thank you.

 

Edit:

One more question:

Q4) Why are you refering to a page that shows data of Vehicle Statistics from Feb 18, 2014 to Mar 20, 2014? I am asking because many things have changed since!


Edited by azakow, 20 December 2014 - 10:26 AM.


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View PostToxic_Toast, on 20 December 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

Well the vk and m60 are seen as op because they are CW reward tanks, so only good players have and drive them, thus resulting in their good stats. Hellcat has been nerfed and is balanced IMO, SU100Y is by no means op, ad armour and a terrible camo value can make this thing a one shot wonder. Dont even know how the at 7 got onto the list. 122-44 is stong but not op, it does suffer in tier 9 mathces, and the reason why the e25 was remooved and not the 122-44 was because of its crazy camo values and still retained its camo while firing, so there were many ridicolous moments with the e25 that doesnt happen with the 122-44

 

You missed the bit about the E-25 also having limited MM compared to the SU 122-44. The 122-44 is an odd beast, top tier it's a beast, particularly against the less experienced. Against tier 9's it has to work hard so it's (in principle) relatively balanced but I'd say thats down to the standard MM it gets. The CW tanks, yep, good tanks, played by good players will in general appear "OP".  The 100-Y isn't OP it's just frustrating when your in a tier 5 and it high rolls you. The KV-1S though.... I think it now plays better than the KV-1 at the same tier, similar armour, similar gun, better mobility or you run it with the 122mm and it still derps face. I think the mobility it gets at tier 5 is the reason why it's getting a lot of play and rates well.

Claudius_Caesar #7 Posted 20 December 2014 - 10:37 AM

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Well lemme respond to some questions/ideas  added here :

 

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Well the vk and m60 are seen as op because they are CW reward tanks, so only good players have and drive them

 

Um , no. I've seen a lot of average players drive VK72.01's. Also they play against other good players at high tiers so... yeah.  our personal feeling and stats are different matters. 

 

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I would say in those values you didn't count how much "popular" is the tank itself. 

 

 I can see the Maus listed as second most OP tank at tier X

 

Well take a look for yourself. Maus is not OP. Only green values @ OP show that.

 

 

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Do you realise that the list isn't updated since March 2014??

 http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

 

True but some tanks are still in the pack.  

 



shrapnel_bait #8 Posted 20 December 2014 - 10:40 AM

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If the KV-1S is listed as OP then why not the KV-1, they both use basically the same 85mm top gun and the KV-1 has thicker armour therefor it must be OP as well, as stated earlier I think the data used must be out of date.

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How come the KV-1S is listed as a Tier 6 heavy still?

May it be that values for KV-1S and Hellcat include the pre-nerf stats?

What is the time span of those stats?

 



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View Postshrapnel_bait, on 20 December 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

If the KV-1S is listed as OP then why not the KV-1, they both use basically the same 85mm top gun and the KV-1 has thicker armour therefor it must be OP as well, as stated earlier I think the data used must be out of date.

 

the KV-1 is slow as a [edited], and on tier VI and VII the armor becomes useless, so in general 2/3 of the battles go worse ;)

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View Postclocky, on 20 December 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

 http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

 

True but some tanks are still in the pack.  

What are you trying to do now?

Reducing the number of players recorded in order to make your point?

I do not think that 38k players is a representative amount to draw conclusions.


Edited by azakow, 20 December 2014 - 10:47 AM.


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Some of these like the KV-2 are not OP.  Little armour, slow as help, can't turn for toffee and a 20 second reload.

It is not the fault of driver that most players are plain stupid and sit in front of one at point blank range, then wonder what hit them.

 

Wouldn't say the Cromwell or T29 is OP either - both need mastering by better players.

 

I suspect you're seeing a relatively small number of core players playing these tanks very frequently and that is pushing up the numbers a little - bit like the CW tank reward tanks.

 

EDIT:  And why start a thread designed to ruin these tanks! You are a total Xmas spoil sport.


Edited by evilchaosmonkey, 20 December 2014 - 10:51 AM.


lemthepimpmeard #13 Posted 20 December 2014 - 10:50 AM

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View Postshrapnel_bait, on 20 December 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

If the KV-1S is listed as OP then why not the KV-1, they both use basically the same 85mm top gun and the KV-1 has thicker armour therefor it must be OP as well, as stated earlier I think the data used must be out of date.

 

Not then they didn't.

IMO the (new) KV-1S is better than the KV-1 as it's more mobile. It's also a lot of fun with either the 122mm derp or the 85mm

View Postscrontch, on 20 December 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

How come the KV-1S is listed as a Tier 6 heavy still?

May it be that values for KV-1S and Hellcat include the pre-nerf stats?

What is the time span of those stats?

 

 

It was a Tier 6 heavy at the time those stats were created. They're for Feb-March 2014.

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View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 20 December 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

Some of these like the KV-2 are not OP.  Little armour, slow as help, can't turn for toffee and a 20 second reload.

It is not the fault of driver that most players are plain stupid and sit in front of one at point blank range, then wonder what hit them.

 

Wouldn't say the Cromwell or T29 is OP either - both need mastering by better players.

 

I suspect you're seeing a relatively small number of core players playing these tanks very frequently and that is pushing up the numbers a little - bit like the CW tank reward tanks.

 

The KV-2 is a blast, it has an awesome cannon but it's far too slow, unarmoured and too big a target to be considered OP.

Unless you're in a French tank or one of the 2nd line of German tank destroyers of course :arta:



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View Postazakow, on 20 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

What are you trying to do now?

Reducing the number of players recorded in order to make your point?

I do not think that 38k players is a representative amount to draw conclusions.

 

To be fair, it only takes one vbaddict user in a game to get statistics for all 30 tanks in that game.

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View Postazakow, on 20 December 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

What are you trying to do now?

Reducing the number of players recorded in order to make your point?

I do not think that 38k players is a representative amount to draw conclusions.

 

Data for this statistics is based on 2.69 million public random games of the last 30 days with 80.60 million tanks participated. it is just enough. Players don't play a single tank.

 

Just to add something i think the purpose of why some tanks are and will be op is pure business : make the sheep grind for something. In the end for a game plagued by the RNG it will eventually not matter.  (sure you may have that 2-10% bonus in WR but 10% means crap)

 

For a commie bastards , serb is smart.


Edited by clocky, 20 December 2014 - 11:05 AM.


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Cromwell might have such high ratings because of me, sorry.:trollface:

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I'm really surprised about the KV-2.

 

Basically every aspect of that tank is really bad (or mediocre at best), except the raw alpha damage, and even the amount of damage it does is unreliable and very RNG based and full damage rolls are achievable only in certain situations.

Could the KV-2 be driven by a lot of good players and avoided by bad players for some reason?

It's too inflexible to be OP IMO.

 

I'm also surprised about Cromwell having such good stats since a lot of scrubs just suicide with it or take it to heavy tank corners to do peek-a-boo against russian 122mm guns. On the other hand it is a very strong tank and a prefered mid-tier medium by many good players.


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Sgt_Guffy #19 Posted 20 December 2014 - 11:31 AM

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Apart form the endless grinding, I select the vehicles I like to play.

 

I don't pick vehicles because they are are overpowered or underpowered, I keep ones which suit my gameplay. I would have thought most players would do that, so lists of overpowered tanks seems irrelevant.

 

Have fun, whatever vehicle you play. :)



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KV-1S is not OP, because fully upgraded KV-1 is a lot better.





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