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Mr_Sukebe #21 Posted 06 March 2015 - 07:07 PM

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So, anyone know the XP cost to research the AMX30 prot?

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Seeing the average of tier 9's I'd say 100-150k.

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View PostLoekie5500, on 06 March 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

Seeing the average of tier 9's I'd say 100-150k.

 

That was my guess, but wasn't sure if anyone had seen the full details on the test server.



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Test server is not running for 9.7. Supertest didn't have official XP stats yet.

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View PostLoekie5500, on 06 March 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

Seeing the average of tier 9's I'd say 100-150k.

 

I would say it will be roughly the same as Lorraine 40t. AFAIk when they added Object 430II to Object 416 research, it costed the same as the T-54.

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Entirely possible. They could also base it around the Leopard PT, since I heard something about the top gun being a 105 mm and the stock a 90 mm from the previous tank. That's not where the similarities stop.

But using the 90 mm F3, probably without autoloader, so basically a stock gun from the ARL 44 (tier 6 HT), on a tier 9 medium, I'd not fancy that. That's going to be a hell of a reason for free XP.



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Pretty sure it will have a stock 90mm similar to the AMX CDC one. 212 AP penetration and so on.

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View PostLoekie5500, on 07 March 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Entirely possible. They could also base it around the Leopard PT, since I heard something about the top gun being a 105 mm and the stock a 90 mm from the previous tank. That's not where the similarities stop.

But using the 90 mm F3, probably without autoloader, so basically a stock gun from the ARL 44 (tier 6 HT), on a tier 9 medium, I'd not fancy that. That's going to be a hell of a reason for free XP.

 

Well, the base research cost of a tank is reliant on the tank where you're researching it from. If it's a tank with a lot of modules, the next tank tends to be cheaper from what I've noticed.

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So why is the STB-1 the most expensive tier 10 medium tank? It already has 25k exp turret and 55k exp gun on its way and still the STB-1 costs whopping 255k exp.

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View PostJudqment8, on 07 March 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

Pretty sure it will have a stock 90mm similar to the AMX CDC one. 212 AP penetration and so on.

I think I saw on some video from supertest that stock gun will be 90mm F3, one from AMX 13 90 but without autoloader.

So, 240 DMG and 170pen which mean painful grind for best gun.

Lucky, I have 55k free XP accumulated so at least grind to top gun will be less panfull.

 

What really worry me is commander cupola on AMX 30B (tier10). It is HUGE, you can hit it from accros half of map. It is almost like infamous M3 Lee cupola.

Check this pictures and you will see what I am talking about: http://ftr.wot-news....ertest-amx-30b/


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View PostJudqment8, on 08 March 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

So why is the STB-1 the most expensive tier 10 medium tank? It already has 25k exp turret and 55k exp gun on its way and still the STB-1 costs whopping 255k exp.

 

Because the STB 1.  Is the cats whiskers.:)

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View PostMaauru, on 08 March 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

I think I saw on some video from supertest that stock gun will be 90mm F3, one from AMX 13 90 but without autoloader.

So, 240 DMG and 170pen which mean painful grind for best gun.

Lucky, I have 55k free XP accumulated so at least grind to top gun will be less panfull.

 

Well that sounds completely ****** up. The F3 has no place on a tier 9 medium tank. Not that any tier 9 medium is good at stock, but that 90mm would be plain ridiculous. WG will be like "but you can always use some gold and convert experience, right?".



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View PostMaauru, on 08 March 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

I think I saw on some video from supertest that stock gun will be 90mm F3, one from AMX 13 90 but without autoloader.

So, 240 DMG and 170pen which mean painful grind for best gun.

 

View PostJudqment8, on 08 March 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

Well that sounds completely ****** up. The F3 has no place on a tier 9 medium tank. Not that any tier 9 medium is good at stock, but that 90mm would be plain ridiculous. WG will be like "but you can always use some gold and convert experience, right?".

 

With those stats it wouldn't surprise me is there wasn't an intermediary gun available. Something like the improved 90mm gun from the heavy line (which is also on both premiums). Just like how ST-I has a garbage stock gun but you can get the BL-9 as intermediary upgrade from the other heavy line at IS-3. And in this case you'd only need a tier 6 to pick up that gun, so let's hope.



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View PostTheodore, on 21 February 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

 I have an idea.

 

ARL44 - AMX M4/45 - AMX M4/48 - AMX 30 proto - AMX 30B

     \___- Somua SM - AMX 50-100 - AMX 50-120 - AMX 50B

 

What do you guys think?

 

Actually, the AMX 50 series came after the M4/45 , so the heavy line could just stay as it is, but you're right, it would make a whole lot more sense to make the AMX 30 come out of the heavy brach, especially cause the AMX 30 came after the "discontinued" AMX 50 project.

 

Also, since there were quite a few variants of the AMX 30 , it could also go like this :

 

ARL44 - AMX M4/45 - AMX 30 proto - AMX 30B - AMX 32

                      \___ AMX 50-100 - AMX 50-120 - AMX 50B

 

And before you ask , the AMX 32 was the export made prototype of the AMX 30 with added spaced armor and the possibility to have a 120mm smoothbore gun instead of the 105 mm F-1. However since noone was really that much interested in the "upgrades" it gave, it never got any orders and only prototypes were made. ( I guess they asked too much money for it, compared to the AMX 30 )

 

http://www.military-...anks/amx_32.htm

 

About their statistics, I wouldn't run into anything before it hits the test servers, but I'm still hoping it won't come off the 13 90 , cause I'm still having the pain of grinding through the 12t and the 13 75 :P


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View PostOldum, on 09 March 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

 

About their statistics, I wouldn't run into anything before it hits the test servers, but I'm still hoping it won't come off the 13 90 , cause I'm still having the pain of grinding through the 12t and the 13 75 :P

 

That's pretty much decided at this point. They already showed a picture of what the tech tree will look like and it's already on Supertest. While nothing is definite, I have no idea why it would change at this point.

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 10 March 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

 

That's pretty much decided at this point. They already showed a picture of what the tech tree will look like and it's already on Supertest. While nothing is definite, I have no idea why it would change at this point.

 

Are we talking about the same Wargaming ? :D I don't think they need reasons to change anything :P

#WorkingAsIntended

 

Anyways,



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View PostOldum, on 10 March 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

 

Are we talking about the same Wargaming ? :D I don't think they need reasons to change anything :P

#WorkingAsIntended

 

A very strong argument, indeed :P

 

But I do think they're going to keep to it. Generally researsch branches go LT>MT>HT>TD/SPG. Aside from some tier 6 scouts that come from MTs, it's a pretty sturdy principle.



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Patch 9.7 is now live, can someone who downloaded it already post the xp cost of Amx 30 Prototype researched from Amx 13 90 ?

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197k exp for reserching from AMX 13/90, little more then expected :)

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View Posttonce, on 14 March 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

197k exp for reserching from AMX 13/90, little more then expected :)

 

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