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Poll: Gun choice (155 members have cast votes)

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Wich gun to use on the VK2801

  1. the tier 5, 7,5cm (23 votes [14.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.84%

  2. the tier 5, 10,5cm (132 votes [85.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.16%

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Eila_Juutilainen #21 Posted 19 April 2015 - 05:25 PM

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View PostTazilon, on 19 April 2015 - 06:50 AM, said:

 

How in the world have you "tested" both guns in only 13 battles in the VK 28.01?

 

View PostGeorge_W__Fish, on 19 April 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

 

Ran out of logical arguments so you decided to play the "u suck" card. Typical WOT community. Cant reason so you think having higher winrate than someone whos played for a month makes you right. If you intend to rely on stats, please at least wait until your site is updated. I could always take a screenshot from the WOT client or just copypaste the gun accuracy stats but I dont think people like you deal with logic all too well.

 

No, he's saying 13 matches is not much of a sample pool to draw conclusions from. Which he's right about, by the way. There is nothing in his text that insults your player skill...

Tazilon #22 Posted 20 April 2015 - 02:52 AM

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View PostGeorge_W__Fish, on 19 April 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

 

 

Ran out of logical arguments so you decided to play the "u suck" card. Typical WOT community. Cant reason so you think having higher winrate than someone whos played for a month makes you right. If you intend to rely on stats, please at least wait until your site is updated. I could always take a screenshot from the WOT client or just copypaste the gun accuracy stats but I dont think people like you deal with logic all too well.

 

I didn't comment on your skill at all.  I simply questioned how you could adequately evaluate the effectiveness of 2 weapons in only 13 battles.

 

I am fully aware the 75 is more accurate than the 105.  But it can't damage many tanks the 105 can.  Despite its advantage in accuracy it is a much worse weapon choice than the 105.


Edited by Tazilon, 20 April 2015 - 02:56 AM.


GOTKU #23 Posted 20 April 2015 - 04:06 AM

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The 105 is what make the 28 01 unique and special. If you want the 7.5 gameplay, you better play any other LTs tier 6, they will perform better than the 2801 with the 7.5cm. (T21, T27, Type 64..).

leoneazzurro #24 Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:22 AM

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105 all the way. If the 75mm was tha Konisch, then there could have been an argument. Being the 7,5 L48 with 110/158 pen (AP/APCR) and 0.39 accuracy then there is no story. The difference is between being able to damage enemies with practically ever shot regardless of who you encounter, and finding you often unable to damage enemies. Yesterday, I had a team battle in sand river, ended first on my team (was a victory) with around 1900 direct damage and more than 1000 asisted damage, against tier 8 (I destroyed a T34 and heavily damaged a CDC and an Hellcat). Yes, you have not a fixed damage output, but being able to do around 80-140 damage to heavily armoured targets to around 400 to lightly armoured ones, every 6,5 seconds and so using HE (cheap ammo) is really a good plus for this tank.

Eila_Juutilainen #25 Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:46 AM

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View Postleoneazzurro, on 20 April 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

105 all the way. If the 75mm was tha Konisch, then there could have been an argument.

 

Or at least the L/70.

VeteranOfTheLongWar #26 Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:12 PM

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105 with HE ammo is what gun I use, to kill enemy scouts, artillery and other paper tanks quickly.
Against armored tanks, neither gun will do you much good.

Tazilon #27 Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:00 PM

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View PostVeteranOfTheLongWar, on 20 April 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

105 with HE ammo is what gun I use, to kill enemy scouts, artillery and other paper tanks quickly.
Against armored tanks, neither gun will do you much good.

 

My VK 28.01 with its 105 has given me more Orliks than anyone on the NA server, so don't tell me it won't do much against armored targets.  No, it won't pop them for 400 a hit, but it remains viable.

Edited by Tazilon, 20 April 2015 - 07:00 PM.


Procjon #28 Posted 27 February 2016 - 10:12 PM

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10,5 cm gun all the way....

 

Nothing more makes you smile when AMX ELC BIS or T67 or any other paper armor tank disappears after 1 shot. It easily racks ammo of higher tanks too....

 

Destroying modules? again nothing more makes you smile than cursing because basically each shot damages modules.

 

Heavy tank tier 7&up? no problem either...first you do tracks and then the rest of the hull....

 

Setting on fire? no problem, just you need to know where to aim....

 

Wrapping it up...VK is my best light and when i have a bad day because of MM rigging for streak losses i start a game with it and only after 1 game my smile is back.



Velvet_Underground #29 Posted 28 February 2016 - 04:24 AM

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I'm using the 105mm. Oh boy, this tank sucks so hard:arta:

hajoittaja #30 Posted 03 March 2016 - 05:34 PM

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No point playing this tank without the 10,5 cm. It makes an excellent arty hunter/ scout killer. Its not rare to do 2k dmg with that gun, plus you get loads of assisted dmg for destroying tracks. I really like this tank, one of the most fun to play.

Velvet_Underground #31 Posted 03 March 2016 - 06:08 PM

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View Posthajoittaja, on 03 March 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

No point playing this tank without the 10,5 cm. It makes an excellent arty hunter/ scout killer. Its not rare to do 2k dmg with that gun, plus you get loads of assisted dmg for destroying tracks. I really like this tank, one of the most fun to play.

 

Which ammo setup do you use? Personally, I chose 30 HE round, 6 HEAT rounds and 2 AP rounds (if i want to overmatch some thin but angled armor)

Tazilon #32 Posted 05 March 2016 - 09:10 PM

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View PostVelvet_Underground, on 03 March 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

 

Which ammo setup do you use? Personally, I chose 30 HE round, 6 HEAT rounds and 2 AP rounds (if i want to overmatch some thin but angled armor)

 

32 HE, 10 HEAT, 0 AP

hajoittaja #33 Posted 14 March 2016 - 07:03 PM

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View PostVelvet_Underground, on 03 March 2016 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

Which ammo setup do you use? Personally, I chose 30 HE round, 6 HEAT rounds and 2 AP rounds (if i want to overmatch some thin but angled armor)

 

35 HE, 7 HEAT. Actually I should reduce HEAT to 3, because I almost never use them. Also, don't forget to use your ramming power when fighting with other scouts. Ram + HE sends same tier and lower scouts back to garage. Here's a good example from today what you can do with the 10.5cm. Killed all of their scouts and arties , plus did some serious damage to stronk heavies, which wouldnt have been possible with the other gun. 

 

 


Edited by hajoittaja, 14 March 2016 - 07:06 PM.


Drahau #34 Posted 14 March 2016 - 09:16 PM

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10.5 is the way to go !

On low tiers you might want to get up close and personal with other light tanks packing HEAT or AP (light tanks only) into them. Fire, ram, win. It's a beast if handled well.

Don't go into a pure DPM fight, you'll always loose. Hide, wait, pounce.

On high tiers play as an active scout / anti scout. If you see any heavies, try to take a comfy spot and pound their tracks with HE until they get wasted by your allies or receive so much module damage that the tank becomes almost worthless.

Accuracy is bad. Don't snipe too much, think of the 10.5 gun as a shotgun. Close and personal.

The gameplay is WAY different than the Leopard (V tier).

Thumbs up for this trolish tank !



Tazilon #35 Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:01 AM

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View Posthajoittaja, on 14 March 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

 

35 HE, 7 HEAT. Actually I should reduce HEAT to 3, because I almost never use them. Also, don't forget to use your ramming power when fighting with other scouts. Ram + HE sends same tier and lower scouts back to garage. Here's a good example from today what you can do with the 10.5cm. Killed all of their scouts and arties , plus did some serious damage to stronk heavies, which wouldnt have been possible with the other gun. 

 

 

 

 

Actually, you should not reduce HEAT to 3.    10-12 is best because it is extremely valuable to have against certain tanks.  Cromwells, Cromwell Bs, rears of T29, ISs, sides of Tigers, etc.



Tazilon #36 Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:04 AM

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View PostDrahau, on 14 March 2016 - 08:16 PM, said:

10.5 is the way to go !

On low tiers you might want to get up close and personal with other light tanks packing HEAT or AP (light tanks only) into them. Fire, ram, win. It's a beast if handled well.

Don't go into a pure DPM fight, you'll always loose. Hide, wait, pounce.

On high tiers play as an active scout / anti scout. If you see any heavies, try to take a comfy spot and pound their tracks with HE until they get wasted by your allies or receive so much module damage that the tank becomes almost worthless.

Accuracy is bad. Don't snipe too much, think of the 10.5 gun as a shotgun. Close and personal.

The gameplay is WAY different than the Leopard (V tier).

Thumbs up for this trolish tank !

 

If you are smart, you will snipe a lot.   If you let it aim in all the way, it can be surprisingly accurate as a sniper and HE has 1 advantage AP doesn't:  it suffers no distance penalty.

 

While you can be successful close up, use your combination of superior View Range and gun to knock out people at stand off distance whenever you can.  That way, you have the extra hit points you need if you are forced to fight close up.



Gremlin182 #37 Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:59 AM

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The only time the 105 can let you down is when you run into another scout tank.

 

If you miss thats the end because your dead before you can reload

 

That said I always used the 105 and when I missed I just rammed them the 2801 is pretty good at ramming.



SteVer1n0 #38 Posted 24 March 2016 - 10:13 PM

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10,5 with a generous amount of HEAT.

hajoittaja #39 Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:23 AM

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View PostTazilon, on 17 March 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

 

 

Actually, you should not reduce HEAT to 3.    10-12 is best because it is extremely valuable to have against certain tanks.  Cromwells, Cromwell Bs, rears of T29, ISs, sides of Tigers, etc.

 

Maybe you're right, I've started to use more HEAT and it works wonders in certain situations. I just had my best game ever with some HEAT used in the back of T29 (although I did pen him with HE as well), resulting 3k damage done :)

HonourableTyr #40 Posted 25 April 2016 - 11:42 PM

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Can I choose none? They are both terrible guns and even worse on a tier VI scout. It doesn't help that this is the worst scout I've played with tier for tier. The Leopard before is awesome, the SP1C after is amazing. This is just a giant pile of scrap that should be replaced by something useful and not the size of a Panther.





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