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Lil_Nas_X #1 Posted 14 March 2015 - 09:52 PM

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Those tanks are awesome! Tried them out on the test, and they fit a great role! 

 

I love how the 30B is exactly a Leopard 1. It looks very good, if I may add, and the speed, gun and DPM are the same. I even managed to pull of a few bounces on that angled front-plate: eats HEAT.

It's not better than the Leopard 1 though. It's also not worse. It's the same tank.

 

AMX-30 Pt. is a dream tank. You get the speed of the Leopard PT A with a flat profile and gun (depression) from the Type 61. No armor, but the same trick as the 30B. It's a great combination.

There's one problem: the Leopard PT A gets outclassed by this tank in anything but traverse. It's just the same tank but with the bad things of the PT A (DPM and gun depression) improved.

 

What do we think of these? And the FCM 36 (R35), S35, SARL42 and G1R?



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What is gun depression on them?

 

Looks like I am buying AMX 13 90 back xD



Lil_Nas_X #3 Posted 14 March 2015 - 10:03 PM

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8 or 9 degrees I think. It's a lot.

Judqment8 #4 Posted 15 March 2015 - 12:35 AM

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I don't know. The AMX 30B seems to be a weaker version of the Leopard 1. It has worse mobility, worse aiming time (2.1 seconds compared to 1.9 seconds), worse DPM (6.74 RoF compared to 6.9 RoF), less hitpoints (50 HP) and less gun depression (-8 degrees compared to -9 degrees). Not to mention the tumor on the turret, that commander cupola will probably get you spotted/hit when you try to come from hills, slopes etc. It also has weaker HEAT shells 320 vs 330 PEN.

 

So yeah, I don't see a reason to get an AMX 30B instead of the Leopard 1. All I can say that the AMX 30B is a sweet looking tank and has its French charm. Statistically speaking I just don't see the advantage over the Leopard 1. I like them both either way...

 

Here, from tank inspector (green arrows are values where Leopard 1 better):

 

Oddly the Leopard PTA on the other hand seems to be clearly inferior to the AMX 30 PT:

 

I don't get what WG is trying to do. Make the AMX 30 PT beat the PTA and vice versa for the tier 10s?


Edited by Judqment8, 15 March 2015 - 01:24 AM.


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View PostLoekie5500, on 14 March 2015 - 09:52 PM, said:

It's not better than the Leopard 1 though. It's also not worse. It's the same tank.

 

But it's worse. As shown Leopard 1 is better in almost everything and while the mantlet is better on AMX 30B it's nowhere near reliable and AMX 30B also gets a huge unarmored cupola for everyone to shoot at. For some reason it also gets a worse HEAT round which makes no sense.

 

I would be surprised if the AMX 30B hits the live server with these stats because there is pretty much no reason to play it currently when the Leopard 1 fills its role so much better.



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The AMX 30 PT however is simply a better version of the PTA as I noted above. Both AMX 30s have one more advantage over the Leopards and that is the ridiculous slope on the front armor.

 

 

It will ricochet shots from 120mm guns and smaller. Unless they shoot from a little bit higher or HEAT of course. Also the turret armor can give you few bounces as well.


EDIT: I forgot the new ricochet mechanics so the shells will most likely hit your turret and pen you anyway. Not that much of an advantage...

 

All I would ask is the historical and needed buff of -9 degrees gun depression for the Leopard PTA. The AMX 30 PT will make the PTA and Type 61 useless.


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The differences are so minor that both should be a great deal. 1v1 a Leopard could be better but what's 1,5 rounds per minute less and 1 gun depression? And the tumor compensates for the very well sloped front plate which I bounced a lot off. For me, they're equal, the one is for German collectors and the other one for French collectors.

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View PostJudqment8, on 15 March 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

Both AMX 30s have one more advantage over the Leopards and that is the ridiculous slope on the front armor.

 

True however I suspect that most will ricochet and hit the turret instead.

View PostLoekie5500, on 15 March 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

The differences are so minor that both should be a great deal. 1v1 a Leopard could be better but what's 1,5 rounds per minute less and 1 gun depression? And the tumor compensates for the very well sloped front plate which I bounced a lot off. For me, they're equal, the one is for German collectors and the other one for French collectors.

1,5 rounds per minute less would be a huge deal but I don't know where you pulled that number from since RoF difference isn't nearly that big. 1 degree gun depression makes a difference. AMX 30B is a worse ridge fighter due to less gun depression and its cupola , worse sniper due to its gun and it's slower. It might be slightly better at brawling then Leopard 1 due to added armor but it would still be one of the worst tier 10 mediums for that.



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Just tried the AMX 30 the tier IX.

Impresive is the leastI I can say.

I won't be surprised if WG decide to nerf it a little bit. If they don't it will definitly compete for the best TIX medium tank.



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View PostJudqment8, on 15 March 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

The AMX 30 PT however is simply a better version of the PTA as I noted above. Both AMX 30s have one more advantage over the Leopards and that is the ridiculous slope on the front armor.

 

It will ricochet shots from 120mm guns and smaller. Unless they shoot from a little bit higher or HEAT of course. Also the turret armor can give you few bounces as well.

 

All I would ask is the historical and needed buff of -9 degrees gun depression for the Leopard PTA. The AMX 30 PT will make the PTA and Type 61 useless.

Well, i did some testing too. That "ridiculous slope" will bounce the shells right into your turret.

And it's only 40mm thick anyway...while Leo 1 has 70mm or somethign like that? It can only bounce things if you tilt your tank backwards(autobounce angle) and then it becomes a shottrap.

Also don't forget the huuuuge tumor on both AMX 30. 30B has such a massive cupola, that you can reliably snipe it from 400m or more with a medium gun.

One more thing: HE. The cupola can be penetrated by HE shells. Every. Single. Time. And it kills both the commander and the gunner. So after firing 2 HE shells at 30B cupola, it will have a dead gunner, dead commander and no medkit. You can't pen a Leo 1 frontally with a 105mm HE shell.

Compared to the 30B the Leo 1 feels well armored. At elast it doesn't get overmatched by everything.. :D

 

My impression on these tanks is totally different. 30B is a really crappy Leopard 1 copy. Even the STB feels better with the dispersion buff.

The 30 PT on the other hand is really just a more agile Type 61.

The PTA is completely different and it really needs that gun depression buff.



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Oh, dammit. I completely forgot that they added the ricochet shots to continue their flight. In that case AMX 30B will remain just a worse version of the Leopard 1 with a different skin. I mean worse aiming time combined with EVEN worse gun dispersion on the move? Pffft...

 

Also the more I try the AMX 30 PT, the more I just want to stick with my PTA. I love the gun depression, but the traverse speed is just awful. Hard to maneuver against some heavies and TDs. I'm afraid what the new physics will do to the Leopards and the AMX vehicles.

 

Also don't get me wrong, I still like both of the AMX 30s. They are both visually attractive and they play quite nicely. Would grind them ASAP, but I don't feel like coming back to WoT. Maybe when WG actually does something to the issues of the game...



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Here two guys try the armour of AMX 30 Prot and AMX 30B out.

Upper hull seems to be strong if angled and looks like the turret will bounce rarely.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHjqxKEnNPk


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btw: Are the hitboxes on the AMX 30 PT correct? I mean that the side "tool boxes" have no hitbox at all? You can see the pic few posts above.

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View Postsiegeszug_im_overdrive, on 15 March 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

Here two guys try the armour of AMX 30 Prot and AMX 30B out.

Upper hull seems to be strong if angled and looks like the turret will bounce rarely.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHjqxKEnNPk

You mean if the shell hits your front at autobounce angle? Sure it will bounce. And your side is totally not exposed while you are doing it, right? :D



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I have a Steel Wall on my PTA. And I got it after the Steel Wall change... So PTA armor too stronk!

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View PostJudqment8, on 16 March 2015 - 12:39 AM, said:

I have a Steel Wall on my PTA. And I got it after the Steel Wall change... So PTA armor too stronk!

That's still 70mm front armor...while 30B has 40/55mm on the front.

 

I bounced 2 shells from an IS-7 and 1 from an IS-8 in the latest version of Tunnelogorsk with Leo 1. Because i had nothing better to do than fight on a corner with heavy tanks...

Also i bounces multiple Jgpz E 100 shells while i was hulldowning. Mantlet/roof can bounce things sometimes.

Leo 1 has ~50mm roof armor, while the 30B has 30. So even if someone would not aim for the giant tumor, they could still overmatch&pen the roof.

 

As i said, compared to the AMX the Leo 1 feels well armored. If you ever see an AMX 30, just load HE. Also Cent 7/1 / FV4202 can pen it everywhere with the 105mm pen HESH.

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PTA combines that "decent" turret roof with trollish view port. I once found a "newbie" WT IV who kept spamming my large visor without doing any damage at all. Also the small commander cupola in the PTA is not even a hitbox, unlike the huge turd on the AMX 30.

 

So yeah AMX-30 turret roof is however easily overmatched since it's only 30mm thick. Leopards have 49 armor which can only be overmatched with 152mm calibers and up.



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The rangefinerd and the viewport on the very top on the AMX don't take damage either. But all of them can damage your vision module thingy.

 

The problem with the AMX is that it has no strongpoints. It's outclassed by the Leo in everything.(well it has slightly better camo)

The STB-1 at least has superior DPM, but because of the overall derpiness of the gun, it's still inferior to the Leopard 1.

 

On the other hand the tier9 is not that bad. But it's mainly because some of the other tier9s are not very good either.

Type 61 has no armor, crappy camo and huuuge turd on the top.

PTA has even less armor, crappy gun depression, terrible DPM and serious ammorack issues.

Compared to these 2 it looks ok, but then there's the E 50 and the T-54...

 

There's one thing i like about these tanks though. The insane shell velocity. It's like firing a railgun.


Edited by John_Preston, 16 March 2015 - 02:15 AM.


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View PostJohn_Preston, on 16 March 2015 - 01:35 AM, said:

The problem with the AMX is that it has no strongpoints. It's outclassed by the Leo in everything.(well it has slightly better camo)

The STB-1 at least has superior DPM, but because of the overall derpiness of the gun, it's still inferior to the Leopard 1.

 

STB-1 felt pretty good after the dispersion changes and I don't really find STB-1 and Leopard 1 competing for the same role. STB-1 actually have a decent turret that affords it to fight at closer distance then what the Leopard 1 can handle while Leopard 1 a more mobile long distance fighter. AMX 30B however will play the same way as a Leopard 1 but just worse.

 






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